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Re: ZERO electric motorcycles
« Reply #25 on: February 23, 2015, 05:10:21 pm »
The growth rate of solar is pretty amazing right now.  Utility owned solar more than doubled in the last year and the combination of commercial and private solar is even bigger.  If this trend continues, solar will be the biggest source of electricity in less than 15 years.  Sunpower is planning to triple their capacity in the next five years and believe that the Solar market will grow by a factor of 10 in the next fifteen years.  I think Sunpower's estimate is somewhat conservative, and it would make Solar 20% of the market by 2030.  The cost of a 250MW utility solar power plant has gone from $1.6 billion 5 years ago to $600 million today.
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Re: ZERO electric motorcycles
« Reply #26 on: February 23, 2015, 06:38:41 pm »
The growth rate of solar is pretty amazing right now.  Utility owned solar more than doubled in the last year and the combination of commercial and private solar is even bigger.  If this trend continues, solar will be the biggest source of electricity in less than 15 years.  Sunpower is planning to triple their capacity in the next five years and believe that the Solar market will grow by a factor of 10 in the next fifteen years.  I think Sunpower's estimate is somewhat conservative, and it would make Solar 20% of the market by 2030.  The cost of a 250MW utility solar power plant has gone from $1.6 billion 5 years ago to $600 million today.

THIS. (And I'm a fan of the IC engine...Red Barchetta always comes to mind).

Recent improvements in solar panel tech - both in efficiency and reduction in use of toxic materials during manufacture - mean we should see more consumer installations in areas previously less desirable (places with lower sunny days). Combined with Musks Gigafactory for batteries we should see more home installations providing sufficient power to be "off grid" most of the time for a greater percentage of places. (Musk intends to make batteries for home solar that will store enough power for 3 days of household running, so when you have low solar input days you won't have to rely on the power company).

This will help by reducing the amount of power that has to be generated, AND reduce the losses for power transmission. Of course we'd need to see the lifetime power production vs power consumption during manufacture to make a fair comparison.

I think distributed power generation and increased intelligence in power distribution (i.e. excess power from your neighbor can be distributed to you) will be a bigger breakthrough than anything else, by heavily reducing transmission losses. In a way, the power distribution network will benefit from the last 30 years of advances in internet traffic shaping, since they're both networks contending with determining the most efficient way to route traffic (data for internet, power for electric)...which in the end is all the same thing - electrical signals - just that the power system uses a wider amplitude.

To be honest, I'd read about this direction nearly 20 years ago - so it's not all my creation. Even then power engineers (not the power companies, but research types) were experimenting with how to store locally generated solar energy (or wind) in CPE (Consumer-Premises Equipment), and then have network intelligence redirect that power preferentially to closer storage systems (neighbors). They were thinking sodium batteries in homes about the size of refrigerators (the state of tech at the time). If a significant number of homes had this setup, then power could be locally distributed, reducing losses, and reducing the need for primary generation and long-range distribution.

I give this about 20 years before it's somewhat common (kinda like how common solar is today), and 50 before it's standard. Of course the tech will change along the way, but the basic idea is pretty well established.

In it's entirety, we should see variations of these techs employed, depending on solar capacity, infrastructure "intelligence", marketability, etc. Since I live in the west (Colorado) which both has gobs of sunlight (320 days/year) and plenty of opportunity to be somewhere there's no "grid", ( plus a large enough population that's both technical and tree-huggerish), I'd expect to see a lot of this coming in here.

PS..I tend to disregard wind because not many places have the right conditions for it, and there's a very limited amount of energy to be extracted from wind, currently (based on the efficiencies of current windmills). Solar is far more promising, generally, for now.

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Re: ZERO electric motorcycles
« Reply #28 on: June 08, 2017, 06:15:45 pm »
There's sposed to be a demo of the S, FXS, & DS in a few days.  It's ~260 mi from here, a fine excuse to take a Conc cruz!  I'm not in the market, it's jest for  ;D

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Re: ZERO electric motorcycles
« Reply #29 on: June 08, 2017, 11:36:54 pm »
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Re: ZERO electric motorcycles
« Reply #30 on: June 10, 2017, 04:57:00 pm »
The Conc stopped, so I got towed back homey.  Ah geez.  Mo incentive to go lectric  ::)

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Re: ZERO electric motorcycles
« Reply #31 on: June 11, 2017, 11:58:41 am »
My GMC truck gets 18 MPG so fo $17,000 and $3.00/gal average cost, I can drive it for 107,000 miles for the cost of the E-bike.  Even more for the Connie and even MORE for the Wee-Strom.

Having said that, once they get the cost down to be competitive, and a few other things,  I'd be glad to ditch the oil changes, valve adjustments, air filter cleanings, yearly carb R&R, etc.
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Re: ZERO electric motorcycles
« Reply #32 on: June 12, 2017, 03:26:34 am »
The Conc stopped, so I got towed back homey.  Ah geez.  Mo incentive to go lectric  ::)
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Re: ZERO electric motorcycles
« Reply #33 on: July 21, 2017, 12:49:02 pm »
I would dare say Electrics are gonna be the future.