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Announcing: Rolling Rally in the Alps II
« on: May 12, 2017, 05:12:17 pm »
In 2016 about 8 COGgers joined our sister club (GCE /GTR Club of Europe) and attended their Rolling Rally in the Alps.
I was one of the fortunate 8...   :great:
It was the best ride I have ever gone to!!!

I got word recently that their gonna do it again in 2018.
   (I and several of the Lucky 8 have already signed up.)

If this interests you, go here, read the info, and  "WATCH THE VIDEO"!!!
https://sites.google.com/site/gcerollingrally2018/home

https://sites.google.com/site/gcerollingrally2018/home/event-presentation-video

After that, post here {or talk to one of the Lucky 8}, and we'll help answer your questions.

Ride safe, Ted

PS: First question is always, "what will it cost"?
      Second is "how much time do I need"?
       Here is a kinda/sorta guestimation,, {Intentionally a bit high on the questimate}
            "approx.". $5000 for 1, and $8000 for husband/wife..
       I suggest 3 weeks to truly enjoy Eu, but could be done in 2 weeks.
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Re: Announcing: Rolling Rally in the Alps II
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2017, 06:33:37 pm »
I had a great time! But I went with the Edelweiss Motorcycle Tours package deal. I went with Jim Pavlis back in 2004 to celebrate our 50th birthday.





Here is the entire tour posing at the end of the trip...



The only thing I could find to complain about was having to ride a Beemer for a week!

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Re: Announcing: Rolling Rally in the Alps II
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2017, 07:17:23 pm »
Kay & I have signed up and are looking forward to this Alpine adventure.

We plan to arrive the week before and stay a few days in Bichlbach Austria an do day trips out of there. Then arrive in Zell am See a few days before the start.

That's the plan for now, it's over a year away so things can change.

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Re: Announcing: Rolling Rally in the Alps II
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2017, 06:32:22 pm »
Should be a great time! 13-21JUL2018.  Looking forward to it! :motonoises:


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Re: Announcing: Rolling Rally in the Alps II
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2017, 07:53:57 pm »
I know it's a long time until the ride.

I started the post; in the hopes of stirring interest and doing some discussions.
ie; Answering questions for folks that think they might be interested.

Anyone thinking about it, that has questions??

Ride safe, Ted
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Re: Announcing: Rolling Rally in the Alps II
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2017, 08:29:40 pm »
This is starting to intrigue me a bit.

I would want to spend about six-eight weeks in EU and Scandinavia. Seriously considering shipping my bike over as the rental would add up to be pretty ugly.

I would be looking at eastern EU as well as the Italy/Croatia area followed by running up the coast of Norway.

Air Canada out of either Toronto or Montreal seems to be the ticket with Montreal working out a bit better. I can spend some time with Canadian Steve and Canadian wifey in Ottawa before and after the flight.  :great: I haven't zeroed in on where to arrive/depart the EU.

I would be camping and/or hosteling, most likely, for the rest of the trip with maybe a bit of couch surfing, hopefully.

Ted, when the room chart says half board what exactly does that mean?

Does everybody ride crazy fast through the twisties or can a person be OK riding at a moderately brisk pace?

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Re: Announcing: Rolling Rally in the Alps II
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2017, 09:53:46 pm »
I did it for under $3k on a gs800 - but that was just me and a fuel efficient bike.

If you have a good gps or app and can upload the daily routes you will be able to go your own pace. We had three ride groups, which changed regularly, and it was whatever you wanted every day. If you were late to the final destination that was a bummer/people worry - so we just communicated well and had no problems.

Gas was high high high - it made a difference gassing up once a day vs twice for the bigger bikes.

Shipping your bike is cheaper, faster and easier if you can go from Canada - SteveJ is all over that one.

My biggest fear was getting my wallet emptied - aside from a few tolls and expensive beer in Switzerland it was pretty cheap to get a snack or coffee or something from a drug store.

The roads blew me away. The pre planning was amazing. The hotel breakfasts and dinners were great. Mika had parking figured out - he had it all dialed in nicely. Was really a cool trip.

Just adding - hope it helps

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Re: Announcing: Rolling Rally in the Alps II
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2017, 10:15:34 pm »
This is starting to intrigue me a bit.

I would want to spend about six-eight weeks in EU and Scandinavia. Seriously considering shipping my bike over as the rental would add up to be pretty ugly.

I would be looking at eastern EU as well as the Italy/Croatia area followed by running up the coast of Norway.

Air Canada out of either Toronto or Montreal seems to be the ticket with Montreal working out a bit better. I can spend some time with Canadian Steve and Canadian wifey in Ottawa before and after the flight.  :great: I haven't zeroed in on where to arrive/depart the EU.

I would be camping and/or hosteling, most likely, for the rest of the trip with maybe a bit of couch surfing, hopefully.

Ted, when the room chart says half board what exactly does that mean?

Does everybody ride crazy fast through the twisties or can a person be OK riding at a moderately brisk pace?

Thanks.

If you go then please go! It was an amazing 16 days that my friend Attila and I enjoyed. Made new friends too! Like Fais and Ted above! I agree with what Ted and Fais have described. Mika and the team out in Europe organized a fantastic trip. Half Board means two persons per room  so that would be your cost if you were rooming with another rider. We rented Yamaha MT-09's.... ran perfectly! Attila and I plan on going in 2018! Hope you can too! BTW if you go watch out for crazy fast Ted and Fais!

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Re: Announcing: Rolling Rally in the Alps II
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2017, 10:17:33 pm »
Steve, half board is breakfast and dinner included in the hotel rate.

Anyone know any discounts available for moto rental in Germany??
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Re: Announcing: Rolling Rally in the Alps II
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2017, 02:00:22 am »
This is what I wanted to see!!

Others have already answered the Half Board question. 
I'll add; At each Motel, breakfast and Dinner were included, at a cost of about $50 a night. {Beer was extra}....

The guys that rented bikes can help hook you up on where to get a good price on a bike.
Their already in the discussion, so Rusty/Fais can assist from there.
Others rented, and can join in too.

If you plan to make an extended trip. I feel that shipping your bike is definitely the best option.

I borrowed a bike from Bernd, so my rental was the best rate of all.   :great:
  All I had to do was let him use my bike when he was here, and help Hans host "OtP" for the past 14 years....
 
On the speed, there were 3 basic groups. Sightseeing/playing/OMG.
With me on Bernd's BMW LT-1200, I sometimes felt we were near the OMG, but were actually at the playing pace.
A lighter bike would have been more manageable in the tight stuff, but the LT was a pleasure in the rain/cold we occasionally hit.

Don't believe Rusty. He's been known to lie.   
       I was the Old slow guy... {I admit, I occasionally I had a wild hair.}

The good news is you ride your own pace, maps are given out every day.
    If the pace is too much, back off and navigate yourself, of talk with others that are same minded and form another group.
    Also discuss with Mika. He is the organizer and will help work things out.

NOTE: This ride is not for a novice. The Tight Twisties "WILL" definitely test your riding skills.
           It's not all about speed in them either. It's about getting around that tight *&^% 180* turn, (and then do 50-100 more).
           All of this is done in beautiful scenery on the best roads I have ever done!!!

I'm not going to blow a lot of smoke.    I won't say that everything went perfectly.
As in any event, occasional head butting occurred..
 But, in every case,,, it was settled and hands were shook.
 
I totally enjoyed the folks we made the trip with.
Would ride with any of them again, "anytime"...

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Re: Announcing: Rolling Rally in the Alps II
« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2017, 03:47:16 am »
Here is how I estimated cost.
NOTE: I intentionally estimated high so folks could anticipate higher costs.
Fais/Russ/others,,, post thoughts on a more accurate estimate?

Rooms are shared, cost about $60 ea. per night. x 10 {nights} = $600  (w/Wife $1200)
Gas will probably be about $40 a day.                      x 10 = $400  (w/wife  same)       
Food/beer guestimate; $40 - 50 a day.                     x 10 = $500  (w/Wife $1000)
If you travel coach, expect about $1000 for flight.              $1000   (w/Wife $2000)
Bike rental; (guestimate) $1000-$2000 I Assumed highest  $2000   (w/Wife same) 
Passport/international license; $100 approx.                        $100   (w/Wife $200)
Travel insurance; $50                                                          $50   (w/Wife $100)
Trinket's and shirts; $200                                                   $200  (w/Wife $400)
Phone; (we made an arrangement thru Verizon)                     $40  (w/Wife $80)

                                                                                  Total; $4890   (w/Wife $7380)

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Re: Announcing: Rolling Rally in the Alps II
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2017, 05:30:30 pm »
Ping::: Yoohoo,,, is anybody interested?

Watch this!!    https://sites.google.com/site/gcerollingrally2018/home/event-presentation-video

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Re: Announcing: Rolling Rally in the Alps II
« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2017, 05:39:17 pm »
Yes, I am very interested. But I can't commit right now, the date is too far away. I won't know until Jan 2018 if I can get the time to attend.

I will be watching this thread carefully and want to be there.

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Re: Announcing: Rolling Rally in the Alps II
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2017, 03:05:50 pm »
I understand that.
Just looking to see who is interested...
I'm hoping we can get about 10 from the USA/Canada..
Wanted discussion so we can spread the word.

I semi-registered, but not totally sure myself. (75% sure at this point)
  Sent Mika a note and he posted my name... Haven't actually filled out the registration form..
   No $$/deposit's will be exchanged until next year..

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Re: Announcing: Rolling Rally in the Alps II
« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2017, 11:56:36 pm »

We have been talking about visiting Europe for a couple years and it looks like it is time to pull the trigger with this trip.

Most of my questions  for now are concerning bike rental.
Where? Can drop off and pick-up locations be different?  A ton more .  Would like to discuss, at a convenient time,  this with someone who has done  it.
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Re: Announcing: Rolling Rally in the Alps II
« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2017, 12:06:29 am »
Several rented. I did not.
They can give details...
Are you saying we, meaning the wife will be with you?
Or does we mean, you and a Buddy?

The trip costs I guestimated, included bike rental..

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Re: Announcing: Rolling Rally in the Alps II
« Reply #16 on: June 08, 2017, 12:54:34 am »
Ted,

Yes, my bride will  accompany me to keep me out of trouble. ;D ;)  ;D

I've traveled extensively in Europe (on business, not on a bike). She figures the only way to get me back there is on two wheels.
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Re: Announcing: Rolling Rally in the Alps II
« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2017, 01:56:24 pm »
http://m.motoroads.com/motorcycle-rentals-milan-malpensa-airport-motorbike-hire-italy.aspx

I rented from these guys. Had a great trip. Maximized the included breakfasts and dinners and didn't spend much else except around lunchtime.

If my lady had been with me it would have cost me at least $2000 more in: double hotel rooms, larger rental bike, 2 tanks a day vs 1, nicer lunches, cocktails and desserts in the evening, double the everything and etc.

If I were going 2-up my instinct would be to rent a convertible instead. The meat and potatoes of this trip are the passes - extreme mountain passes. Ewa would have had to wait with the luggage while I went back to hit the passes again 'light' before continuing on. I got addicted to the sound of my GS800s center stand jingling on the asphalt  :motonoises:

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Re: Announcing: Rolling Rally in the Alps II
« Reply #18 on: June 08, 2017, 02:17:50 pm »
Mitch, 2 up will take a bigger bike, but keep it as light as possible.
The turns are definitely do-able 2 up,,, but many are TIGHT!

Like you, I had traveled Eu several times, prior to the Bike trips. (ie; Fly Navy)
   Being on a bike (and riding with our Eu hosts {and Fais}) made it a completely different trip.
      The routes will be 95% backroads and mountain passes. Very little Autobahn.
       Scenery is awesome!!
       (On a scale of 1-10, required skill level is about 8.  I think the others agree?)

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Re: Announcing: Rolling Rally in the Alps II
« Reply #19 on: June 08, 2017, 04:13:23 pm »
Mitch, are you going to be at the National?
If so, several that went to the Alps in 2016, will be there.
Look us up.

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Re: Announcing: Rolling Rally in the Alps II
« Reply #20 on: June 08, 2017, 07:17:33 pm »
All; Here is a video I found of Stelvio. {a BMW-1200 and a Suzuki-650, both are 2 up}
NOTE: Took some looking to find a youtube video of people riding up Stelvio at a normal pace.
Most youtube video's at Stelvio show folks driving as fast as they can...
In all honesty, I ain't saying we were always this docile, but we were closer to this, than racing up.
Pay particular attention to how tight some the turns were. {The ones in this video are NOT the tightest we rode}.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3yE05lkIyQ
Also: note that the 650 has plenty of power.

Here is another video that gives you an idea of the great scenery, and how narrow some of the roads are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMHQTD3vJ4Y

NOTE: All of the roads are not like these 2. I'm posting them so folks can see the roads that require the highest skill level.
          Many of the roads are almost as twisty as the Dragon, but they are a lot longer.. Most roads are twisty, with beautiful
          scenery. Very little (probably no Autobahn)..
          Mika's video shows what most look like...
          https://sites.google.com/site/gcerollingrally2018/home/event-presentation-video

I wanna go back!!!   >:(

Ride safe, Ted
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Re: Announcing: Rolling Rally in the Alps II
« Reply #21 on: June 08, 2017, 09:00:10 pm »
Only 400 days to go!!  You just gotta go! Attila and I rented our bikes at great place in Landshut, Germany not to far out of Munich. I will send out the information soon.

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Re: Announcing: Rolling Rally in the Alps II
« Reply #22 on: June 09, 2017, 02:22:54 pm »
Thanks guys for all the information. Just got off  the phone with Ted who gave me the skinny on  the trip from his perspective. Will share some of his insights with Lisa to give her a better understanding of expectations.

If I had the means, the best of both worlds would be two trips: (1) Sightseeing with Lisa in a cage  and (2) this trip solo.

Decisions, decisions......
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Re: Announcing: Rolling Rally in the Alps II
« Reply #23 on: June 09, 2017, 03:12:30 pm »
I was able to do the Edelweiss tour with Jim Pavlis, and without my wife because I told her it was for my 50th birthday present. The downside was when her 50th birthday happened, she went on a cruise with her best friend.  :great:

No, seriously, we take separate vacations all the time. We are secure enough to not be joined at the hip all the time! It'll be 29 years married in a couple weeks from now. Yeah, I'll be home from the national in time for our anniversary, but there has been many times when we spent our anniversary apart... with me gone on a road trip.
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If you can do both, that's how I'd do it. If not, I'd sell it as a "once in a lifetime 50/60/70 birthday trip". Or something...    ;)
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Re: Announcing: Rolling Rally in the Alps II
« Reply #24 on: June 09, 2017, 03:47:24 pm »
Separate vacations work in our house too.  Vicki is in Las Vegas this weekend with her girl friends.  But we also have plans to attend the COG Dog Days Weekend in Staunton, VA together the end of July. 

If I had ever been selected to be the OTP Traveler that would have been a once in a life time trip that Vicki would have wanted me to go on.  But for me to go to Europe on my own dime requires me to first take Vicki on the vacation to Italy that I have owed her for years.  I will need a major improvement in my financial situation to do both in the next year.  :(
Mike Aldea, COG-528
Hawthorne, NJ   


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