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Tires/Suspension C14 / Re: Shinko 016 Verge 2x impressions.
« Last post by ursharkfuel on Today at 07:06:45 pm »
Very true regarding the under inflation, however I would assume any seasoned Connie Rider would feel it and know.  If my front tire is down just a lb. Or two I certainly feel it, especially low speed parking lot maneuvers on a big heavy bike. I'd certainly be interested in follow up, even if just for safety for others. Glad you escaped this without incident or injury!!

I'm right there with you on that.  :great: 

I'm slightly over spec on my inflation because it feels better to me, but I do not speak for the masses - they need to do what is "right" for them.  ;)

Take care,
Jon
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Tires/Suspension C14 / Re: Went a different route
« Last post by ursharkfuel on Today at 07:01:12 pm »
******** a long one but worth the read because I'm sharing the experience of more riders than just myself ********

In the 4 years I was in Germany and on three different bikes I did not notice a great deal of difference in the wet or dry road performance from brand to brand. Some tires had better wear than others, but real world performance was very similar. And for those that don't know, in the Eifel mountain region of Germany you get 100 days of sunshine a year - if the sun breaks through the clouds for 5 minutes - you have 99 days left!  :beerchug:  Summer was about a month and not much more. Black ice happened ALL winter long due to the high moisture and frequent cold nights. What all of us learned from that experience was, it's not the tires, it is the driver/rider. The throttle and brakes are not on/off switches and you learn that or you WILL go down. The only question is when and where you go down. You control the machine properly for the conditions - or else. :??:

I rode an FJ1100, CB750, and a KZ1000 (a long term loan to me) during those years. Tires were ALWAYS an issue because we had difficulty buying them on the local economy. And it was a fact at the time that the Germans did all they could to encourage their citizens to ride bikes 100cc or smaller.  :(  The German cycle tire companies manufactured for export for the most part. So if we wanted tires, we basically needed to get them through the Base Exchange (think military Walmart) and the supply was not terribly steady. So you bought whatever brand and model they could find - when you could get it. And you needed to also be flexible on the dimensions or not ride!  :-[  This was the mid 80's with no internet or online stores to go to folks. And those round top mountain back roads, the Autobahn, and the occasional trip to Nuremberg Ring race track for a few hot laps really chewed up our rubber and I don't care what the brand was. And we often, but not always, got more Euro tires than American or Asia tires, but the performance was similar with minor differences between brands, not radical differences - it just wasn't. Continental-German, Michelin-French, Metzeler-German, and Pirelli-Italian were commonly used.

Now I know that was the 80's and this is the 2020's but the competition between tire vendors is just as ruthless now as it was then, with NO brand exponentially ahead of the other no matter what anyone says. And all that remains is a bunch of brand marketing claims and rider opinion to drive the discussion and little else.  :nananana:

Let's be serious for a second, put on our calm adult pants, grab a deep breath, and not go bat s#$t crazy over my next statement - just remain calm and think quietly about it a few minutes before clicking POST on a flaming and raging reply.............OK.............Ready?.............

Do you really believe these tire vendors do not test their products in ALL road conditions - because they do.
Do you really believe that in our lawsuit happy world a manufacturer would continue to sell a KNOWN dangerous product?
Just one look at their ridiculous safety warnings and disclaimer statements should quickly answer that question..... :o

And if I see one more warning not to put the parts bag on my head because it could result in death I may kill myself to spite them! >:(  :rotflmao:

So in the end it gets down to brand loyalty and if you like one over the other that's fine - but to breathlessly defend one over the other is a little silly without hard evidence that really doesn't exist - and I am not aware of anyone here that has a tire testing lab or has done any scientific research on the subject. Last month I got into a ridiculous debate here over power tools and it quickly devolved into "my brand is the best because I think it is the best and all my friends say so too!" I think we can all do better than that - myself included!  ;)

Take care all,
Jon
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Tires/Suspension C14 / Re: Shinko 016 Verge 2x impressions.
« Last post by Tundra on Today at 06:06:19 pm »
Very true regarding the under inflation, however I would assume any seasoned Connie Rider would feel it and know.  If my front tire is down just a lb. Or two I certainly feel it, especially low speed parking lot maneuvers on a big heavy bike. I'd certainly be interested in follow up, even if just for safety for others. Glad you escaped this without incident or injury!!
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Tires/Suspension C14 / Re: Shinko 016 Verge 2x impressions.
« Last post by ursharkfuel on Today at 05:24:51 pm »
Dan 86
When you posted the tire came off the bead the hair on the back of my neck stood up!
Holy s***.
Have you found out why yet?
Those tires are so hard to dismount and mount I can't envision that unless it was the wrong size and too big.
Nick
+1.  Curious to know the cause, hate to blame the brand...if that's not the culprit. I can't imagine what would contribute to this other than incorrect tire size?
Glad your okay.

Tundra good points,

But I'm not sure there is a solid answer for that. Damaged rim possibly, but without detailed forensic investigation beyond the obvious causes it would be hard to determine. So if all things were equal, speaking only for myself I would never trust the brand. Years ago I had some trouble with Goodyear Eagle GT tires on a car. I not only quit the model, I quit the brand as well for close to 20 years.  >:(

I am guessing you are referring to rim size which would directly impact seating the of bead, but it's not beyond the realm of possibility that a radically different tire that is the correct rim size, and well beyond spec could impact the bead. But that would be tough if it was properly inflated.

Come to think about it, low inflation could definitely cause the bead issues. So I would hang my hat on very low inflation in that case.

But let's have some fun with the rim size a moment.  >:D  A 17" tire on a 17" rim should work fine. I'm not sure how you could seat an 18 on a 17 rim, and there is no way on this pale blue dot would I ever consider releasing the clutch on that arrangement - assuming it actually worked. And we all know how difficult the 17' is to replace, can you imagine the struggle to even try, never said succeed, with a 16?!?   :-[:-\ :rotflmao:

So outside of improper inflation I'm afraid I would have to blame the brand I am sorry to say. :??:

Take care,
Jon
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Tires/Suspension C14 / Re: Shinko 016 Verge 2x impressions.
« Last post by Vic on Today at 04:50:52 pm »
I'm sorry, but however good the Shinko brand may be these days, it's just too hard to convince myself of ever needing to go any cheaper than the new Roadsmart IIs manufactured by Sumitomo Rubber in Thailand. Cheap, work like a champ and don't fail ever!
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Introductions / New older guy....
« Last post by Gabe on Today at 04:46:50 pm »
Hello Ladies and Gents,

Was a member here back in 2004/5/6/7/8.... Travel the country twice on my old Connie 04.

At 61, I decided to buy a new 2020 Concours, picking it up on Wednesday.

So, why not do it all over again ? Even my wife Kathy of 36 years is ready...

Looking forward in riding with some of you.

Stay healthy, and may God bless us all....

Gabe
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Concours 14 / ZG1400 General Chat and Tech / Re: Longest ride?
« Last post by ursharkfuel on Today at 04:29:13 pm »
I did 1447 miles in 2days. I went from North West Kansas to North Central Washington. When I got home I felt I had a pretty goo idea of how the cowboys felt pushing cows into Abilene. But to be fair I previously had gone from WA to Cortez, Co for the National that year. After the rally I went to visit mt favorite Aunt in North West KS. Visited a couple of days and the headed home. I don't recall the total mileage as the trip meter I was using accidentally got zeroed after a fuel stop. But it was allot of miles. After that trip I did not want to look at my Connie but riding the other bike was OK. I've owned my 09 since 12/08 and still think it's a great bike. I have considered either a Kawasaki touring seat or one of the seat builders. I have another seat so who ever could used the seat pan if needed.

At each fuel stop I walk around a little while drinking water. I also take a break when needed. The only real advise I can give is, if the bike is running great and life is good, you had better check your speed.  :-\  These things will go fast and you not realize it over a period of time. I certainly don't need a performance award.   Stay safe, Tim

Tim, that's very impressive!  :great:

And you could not possibly be more right about keeping an eye on the speed. Even with the throttle lock she likes to creep up into the larger digits. Let's face it, they are thoroughbreds that love to run fast.  :beerchug:

Take care out there,
Jon
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Concours 14 / ZG1400 General Chat and Tech / Re: Longest ride?
« Last post by ursharkfuel on Today at 04:23:59 pm »
FYI .... A Iron Butt smallest ride is 1000 miles in 24 hours .

    https://ironbutt.org/rides/


Steiny,

Thanks for the heads up on that, I honestly thought it was more of an expression than an actual thing.  :great:

Take care,
Jon
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Ride Reports, Roads, Routes, and Places / Re: Badlands - July 2020
« Last post by Bumblebee on Today at 02:37:10 pm »
Thank you, Chris, for sharing your photo album.  Interesting route.  Good write-up.  Brings back memories.  Takes the sting out of not being able to get out there this year.           
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Ride Reports, Roads, Routes, and Places / Re: Badlands - July 2020
« Last post by Greenie on Today at 01:44:59 pm »
Very nice pictures and write-up! You're stirring up my wanderlust. The west is best!
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