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How do you handle navigation on your long trips?
« on: May 11, 2017, 03:30:26 pm »
I have done store maps, printed maps, Post It notes, gps not directed, gps directed with basecamp...   

My issue is I want it to be simpler while on the road.  I would love to just wonder but am afraid I would drive by the best roads doing that. 

I will have the gps but I hate the thing unless I tell it where I want to go.  I don't want to get POed every night trying to get the next days route into the gps. 

I would love to print a map of the area and make notes on it for the days ride but printing at a camp site?

Maybe I should just go back to post it notes for the day rides from a base camp.  Then just use the gps to go to the next base camp and for food, gas and emergency routing.
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Re: How do you handle navigation on your long trips?
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2017, 03:40:39 pm »
I use google maps on my phone, just open the map and click a spot I want to go then hit navigate and Bluetooth it into my helmet. I only use the audio directions and don't look at the phone at all, it will just tell me "in a half mile take exit blah blah". I run Pandora radio while I ride too so it just quiets the music and the directions are spoken to me.

I like this because it does not distract me from the road by looking at a screen and if I change the route on the fly to take a fun looking road it recalculates on the fly to adjust directions to still get me to my end location. Sometimes it takes me some strange ways, but that is fun too.

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Re: How do you handle navigation on your long trips?
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2017, 03:46:08 pm »
I have done the google map on iphone voice over only thing many times now. I usually go over the map before I start to give me a better picture of number of steps, turns etc but once I am on the bike, I just go by the voice over. It works great even in general city riding with some added common sense on how the turns are handled in the state (jug handle vs, left lane for turns etc)
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Re: How do you handle navigation on your long trips?
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2017, 03:49:27 pm »
I don't use much, sometimes just dead reckoning or the sun. Have had some great experiences just going with the flow. I'm not lost, I'm exploring!!
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Re: How do you handle navigation on your long trips?
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2017, 04:17:12 pm »
Most of the areas I will be in don't have good service.  Streaming anything is not going to work well.  I like the phone but not going to be that great out in the boonies.
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Re: How do you handle navigation on your long trips?
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2017, 05:58:23 pm »
I am with the iPhone crowd. Had Android = same thing. Been using them for years and it keeps getting better. The standard map app is great now - warns of traffic and accidents and offers alternate routes - works without cell signal as I have used it in many parks and boonies. Have used it in S.America, Asia, Europe as well. The track you made will stay up and show you where you are - no it won't reroute you without a signal. I am sure you can get far enough off track but that's with anything. My iPhone also runs EnRoute which can import any garmin or etc file - or build routes like Tyre - it's basically Tyre in an awesome package. Curviest route, most elevation change, best weather, avoid this that or the other and more. Great app and always am able to route via sound if the phone isn't visible or I want to watch the road. I have a Sena but nothing beats my $69 LG Tone wireless earbuds. Love love love them. Podcasts, iBooks, music, nav, lodging, weather, I am surprised that 12v is all my setup needs! IPhone and wireless buds - like butter baby :great:

The phone also finds grocery stores, pharmacies, runs my hotels.com app, finds camping, etc

I remember having a camera, ipod, gps, flip phone and a gang of charging cables and audio splitters coming out of a tank bag. It's all in the phone now and I am taking it with me anyway. It even makes calls and sends texts lol

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Re: How do you handle navigation on your long trips?
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2017, 06:11:52 pm »
I try to plan my trips ahead of time, but have changed my mind on destinations while on multi-day rides.  What works for me is to choose towns as waypoints.  I then add an address like the post office for the towns, and just simply point the Garmin GPS to those town addresses changing to a new town as I ride on by.  It actually works very well, and will get you where you want to go.  The more granular you are with the town destinations, the better your chances of staying off the slab if you wanted to ride only secondary's.  If you have something like the Zumo LM590, the "Curvy Road" feature can make the ride more interesting.  I have not tried the route making feature on the actual GPS, but that is an option.   
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Re: How do you handle navigation on your long trips?
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2017, 06:16:43 pm »
I agree the phone is much better then it use to be.  The issue I have had is yes you can route to a new location when you have service and it will work as you leave service but if you are in a no service area and need to route to the next location it can not do that.  True?

I use to have the Garmin app on my phone with maps loaded so it would work anywhere.  It would not let me upload maps to it.  I had to use the trip planner feature and if you miss a point it would not stop re-routing you to the point you missed.  Only option was to stop the route and start at the next point.  Also it took all the drive on my phone and then no room for my music.  I  will have to look at EnRoute but will it build routes with no service?
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Re: How do you handle navigation on your long trips?
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2017, 06:48:09 pm »
i hooe you check out inRoute. The free version had me hooked. I uograded to the $12/yr plan for weather and other features and later upgraded to the $24 yr plan so I could import up to 50 waypoints from an outside source. Use that at rallies mostly. For planning I use it exactly like 4bikes described using his Garmin - choosing the towns along the roads I want to ride. As the iPhone app keeps getting better I am using InRoute less often but keeping it forever. I might be wrong but I think inRoute is the Tyre navigation app. 

As far as service - i have never been held up by lack of service. I was even surpirsied when the iPhone warned me of fires ahead in Wyoming when I didn't think I had service. Soon I parked next to a half burned street sign and selected 'accept alernate route' - super cool. My success has to be from always having waypoints and/or an end point where there's signal or wifi. I guess I've had my share of McDonalds coffee uploading stuff to listen to and fine tuning my path. The only time not having a signal has messed me up was in Poland. Couldn't connect to hail Uber so I had to pay a taxi the full 'tourist price' - aaaargh - first world problems lol

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Re: How do you handle navigation on your long trips?
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2017, 07:25:07 pm »
Guess I need a link.  EnRoute is CAD software for CNC work and I can not find it as anything else.  Google play had something for Android but not available in US.
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Re: How do you handle navigation on your long trips?
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2017, 07:41:50 pm »
Sorry - just did some editing - it is inRoute not enRoute

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Re: How do you handle navigation on your long trips?
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2017, 10:39:22 pm »
Well Bob I ran through all of my maps and have no dupes. That being said I'd be more than happy to send you the states you are looking at for a small rental fee  ;). No serious let me know and I can send over. Have almost everything west of the mighty miss. I know where you live so it's good.  :)
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Re: How do you handle navigation on your long trips?
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2017, 11:48:26 pm »
Android phone, Tom Tom go, $50 for five years, rather large download but works with GPS not cell service, works in mountains and boonies, blue tooth connected turn by turn to my in helmet speakers. ;)
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Re: How do you handle navigation on your long trips?
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2017, 09:57:10 am »
Android phone, Tom Tom go, $50 for five years, rather large download but works with GPS not cell service, works in mountains and boonies, blue tooth connected turn by turn to my in helmet speakers. ;)
Another vote for TomTom Go. I use it on the iPhone when I don't want to use my data or I think I'll be out of cell range. I don't like it as much as TomTom's older phone navigation app, but it's getting better. I like that it has a "winding roads" option; I've found the medium setting is good at finding the 11 curves in Florida without calling intersections "winding."

If I don't have to worry about service or data usage, I tend to use Waze for basic routing. The crowd-sourced alerts have been helpful on more than one occasion when I've been warned of objects on the road via the voice in my headset.
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Re: How do you handle navigation on your long trips?
« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2017, 03:58:03 pm »
I'm at work and probably shouldn't take the time to re-figure out how it works - I haven't used it in a while- but Google maps (at least on Android) has a feature that lets you save maps - pull up a map, scale it to the area you want to cover, and then (this is the part I haven't done in a long time) you tap a key or the screen or something to save that map.
It worked well, but I do remember that the larger the area on-screen, the more memory it takes to save it.  I imagine it could be saved to a microSD if you have one installed on your phone (for Android users only, i guess.. :( )

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Re: How do you handle navigation on your long trips?
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2017, 11:38:50 pm »
I like to map-out my route in day long segments using www.MyRouteApp.com.  It is a very intuitive application and the basic format is free.  I like to use this becasue I can pick what looks like the most fun and interesting roads while still getting from point A to point B.  The only downside is occasionally I get too ambitious and end-up plotting a route that is partially off-road.  :??:

On the road I use a Garmin GPS that I have waterproofed myself using silicone ( look it up on YouTube - it's easy).  IF you have a GPS unit that can handle "multiple destinations" or routes then you can download your routes from www.MyRouteApp.com into your GPS and it will follow the route you chose on the computer.

A couple of pointers.

1) when plotting the route on the application dont skimp on selecting waypoints - if you do, your GPS may end up skipping some of the twisties you selected as it has a mind of its own and will select a more direct point between waypoints.
2) Make sure that your waypoints are dead center on the road - otherwise it will assume you missed the waypoint and and start telling you to turn around and go back.

Smartphones are ok but they eat up data and many of the best places to ride dont have a signal - you never have this issue with a GPS unit because it connect to satellites.

 
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Re: How do you handle navigation on your long trips?
« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2017, 09:28:53 am »
I have done store maps, printed maps, Post It notes, gps not directed, gps directed with basecamp...   

My issue is I want it to be simpler while on the road.  I would love to just wonder but am afraid I would drive by the best roads doing that. 

I will have the gps but I hate the thing unless I tell it where I want to go.  I don't want to get POed every night trying to get the next days route into the gps. 

I would love to print a map of the area and make notes on it for the days ride but printing at a camp site?

Maybe I should just go back to post it notes for the day rides from a base camp.  Then just use the gps to go to the next base camp and for food, gas and emergency routing.



I planned my 6000 mile ride a year in advance and followed the GPS route I put into the GPS.



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Re: How do you handle navigation on your long trips?
« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2017, 10:03:46 am »
44,450 miles last year on 2 wheels - 26 states - 4 countries in Europe - no gps.

Just sayin.

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Re: How do you handle navigation on your long trips?
« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2017, 10:37:46 am »
Some of us still have jobs.

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Re: How do you handle navigation on your long trips?
« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2017, 11:08:53 am »
Some of us still have jobs.

Excuse me?

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Re: How do you handle navigation on your long trips?
« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2017, 11:20:33 am »
Some of us still have jobs.


So, if you have a job - gps. If you are a business owner - iPhone?

What the heck is your point?

Listen here - I don't know if you think I don't work or what - but I will tell you I volunteer more time than anyone else I know works - and I work harder than anyone I know. 

Back to the topic at hand please -
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Re: How do you handle navigation on your long trips?
« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2017, 11:30:15 am »
Good lord calm down. 

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Re: How do you handle navigation on your long trips?
« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2017, 01:37:38 pm »
Some of us still have jobs.

I feel that your way off with this comment. I have a job, and put in more working hours that most of the people that hold a 9-5, and I still managed to go through 35 states and ride 27,000 miles last year.
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Re: How do you handle navigation on your long trips?
« Reply #23 on: May 23, 2017, 01:55:18 pm »
Everyone,, "chill".. I take it as a friendly reply...
That's the shame about typing instead of talking in person. Meanings can be miss-interpreted..


Some of us still have jobs

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Re: How do you handle navigation on your long trips?
« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2017, 02:45:40 pm »
So Fais if you did that kind of riding with no gps than I would like to know the answer to the topic?  Ya just ride willy nilly or what?

I want to go with no plan or directions but also do not want to drive right by awesome roads.

Edit
Sorry just went back and looked at old posts...  I see the answer.   The phone is an gps or close enough
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