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Making GPS routes
« on: May 23, 2014, 03:18:53 pm »
   This is some of the stuff I have learned about doing GPS routes for myself but also for sharing with others.  Feel free to add your knowledge.  I really have not made that many routes but I have worked with many programs, units and with the national rally teams to be sure routes worked for all users.  Not that they all did but that is how you learn.

It really does not make a difference what program you are using, Basecamp, Mapsource, Tyre, Furgot, HD trip planner or whatever, they all do about the same thing.  These thoughts seem to apply to them all.

1.  Routes and not tracks.  Tracks are for hiking or seeing where you have been with bread crumbs.  Routes are for driving on the road and some units may not even see tracks.

2.  GPS units and maps are not all the same.  When you share a route you made others stuff will be different in some way and it will need to recalculate the route based on its settings and maps.  More on this as we go.  Shoot even the map you use to make the route can be different than the one on your unit.

3.  Make your route so it will share.  Here is a sub list of things to do and not do.
   a. Make your settings for both your unit and the program for avoidance and routing style something logical to start with.  Do not set no highways unless all your routes truly never touch a highway.  About all I do is set no gravel (if on Concours), no ferries unless I know there is a ferry crossing in the route like in 2012 and sometimes no tolls but I leave town on a toll road sometimes so for me I leave that avoidance off.

I set routing to shortest distance but I usually test the route so that it recalculates the same in either shortest distance or fastest time, you should also.  Your unit or the one you are sharing with may have the other setting and that will change the route.
   
   b. Place your waypoints well.  I was told by Garmin that on many units you have to pass within 10 meters plus or minus the current accuracy for the passing of the waypoint to be registered by the unit.  That is usually about 90 ft.  You have to blow the map up full zoom and check EVERY point to be sure it is on the road within that tolerance.  Be sure it is on the correct side of the road if divided.

Note:  if you do drop points on one side of a divided road then that route may not be reversible anymore.  If you plan on reversing your route consider the effects of where you are placing points.

Watch that the point is not where you can't get to it.  Like over a destination like a building or the grand canyon.  The gps will never know you made it there if you do not drive over it <90 feet.  Not all units have this tight of a tolerance but the ones that do also keep asking for you to do uturns until you do pass the point and that is a real pain for anyone.

Have enough points to force the route you want.  Some programs help with this and will add via points to your route for you.  Others you have to do it yourself.
   c. Do not place points at intersections.  This causes some units grief.  Place at least one point on every road you want to be sure you travel.  I like placing them mid point of the road.  Sometimes a little ways after a turn works well also.  Again if you plan on reversing the route then just after a turn is just before when it recalculates.

Always be sure you are thinking the next person will end up having to recalculate the route and their unit will be set up different.  Most web based routing programs like google maps, mapquest and others will let you set a start point and an end point and then you can drag the route to where you want it.  When you send this to your unit, if you can, in most cases you will only get the start and end points and your unit will route you between the two any way it wants.  You will not get the route you saw on your screen when done playing.

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Re: Making GPS routes
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2014, 10:25:19 pm »
Good info thanks. I have just started planning routes and to be honest so far its a PITA I know it should not be that hard? I may have a bunch of questions for you down the road?
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Re: Making GPS routes
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2014, 10:37:50 pm »
Bob was a great help to me in planning the '13 National. His points are valid. Pay head. Thanks for the post Bob! Oh yeah, don't forget to unlock the maps.  :))
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Re: Making GPS routes
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2014, 10:42:50 pm »
OMC you and me will have to have a little sit down next week.
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Re: Making GPS routes
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2014, 11:07:11 pm »
This is some of the stuff I have learned.......................

Great points!  This was helpful. 

I made a short video of making a Garmin Route to copy a Google Map (manually).  I'm sure there's a number of errors in the process, but most of the time it works for me if I follow the points that Smith makes.  Can't stress enough that you need to build enough points on the route to assure you are going on the roads you want to travel.

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Re: Making GPS routes
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2014, 11:23:26 pm »
OMC you and me will have to have a little sit down next week.
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Re: Making GPS routes
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2014, 11:14:20 am »
Thanks for the pointers! I've found I really need to  take time in making my routes or else we're chasing waypoints. Zoom in and make sure the waypoint is on the route is great advice. Also you are absolutely correct about lots of waypoints- you have to have a lot of them to keep you on your chosen route.

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Re: Making GPS routes
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2014, 03:11:06 pm »
There will be a seminar on GPS use / route planning (and installing) at the national rally in TN. I believe it is in the schedule for Wed., 9:30 to 11:30 AM. There will be four of us presenting different parts so I think it should be pretty comprehensive, and there should be time afterward for individual questions. The seminar will range from beginner level of how they work and are used, and carry through route layout using various pieces of software as well as downloading / saving routes to various specific GPS units, and even have a section on how to manage, modify and add POI's (Points of Interest).

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Re: Making GPS routes
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2014, 10:03:30 pm »
It would be great to video this and post ... Maybe to the tech section of COG Forum. Maybe to YouTube.
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Re: Making GPS routes
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2014, 04:37:40 am »
Upload it to YouTube, then post a link in the forum.   :great:

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Re: Making GPS routes
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2014, 05:00:28 pm »
PS:  I was not closely involved with this years national routes on gps.  I am not sure if they have any problems or not.   It is always best to get them ahead of time if you can and after loading them to your gps check them to see if you see any problems.
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Re: Making GPS routes
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2014, 06:19:56 pm »
PS:  I was not closely involved with this years national routes on gps.  I am not sure if they have any problems or not.   It is always best to get them ahead of time if you can and after loading them to your gps check them to see if you see any problems.

My only problem was that I *thought* I did not have the software too open a .gbd file. I figured out I needed MapSource and got that downloaded. Then I realized I could just put the routes on the gps and they would be fine (dragged them to my Garmin file on the disk drive). The ones I ended up using Mapsource for were the MSTA rides. I pulled those out one by one and saved them as separate ones. 
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« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2014, 06:48:18 pm »
I adopted Basecamp kicking and screaming. To this day, I find addresses in MapSource, put them into a "route", and then import the waypoint into the route I want it in Basecamp.

Found a really neat thing with Basecamp today. Many of you probably already know about it. Using the selection tool (the pointer) you can drag a box over waypoints or whatever, and it highlights them in the list, and you can "remove from route" or delete if you want.

So I have a route to SC for an event next spring with the Denizens of Doom (began in rec.motorcycles decades ago). There are a ton of pure gas stations around the area. I was able to get rid of all the pure gas poi points in the .CSV that weren't in TN, SC, NC or VA, using Excel and KuTools. But after running that through the POI converter at the data-team website(into .gpx format) I realized it was still way too many waypoints.

Well, with Basecamp's selection tool, I was able to prune all the POI waypoints that are too far away (like west end of TN, or SC/NC coast) to be of any use on the trip. The "remove from route" really does the trick. So when I exported the route, it now has 1/10th as many pure gas POI waypoints in it, basically those within 150 miles or so of the event hotel.

I guess I don't know what I don't know, but I've found one more good tool in Basecamp for making custom routes with relevant POIs imported into them.
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Re: Making GPS routes
« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2014, 07:48:28 pm »
Since Alex Benoit (aka Gigantor) turned me on to Tyre I've been using it for creating all my GPS routes.  Tyre works with Google Maps and requires a fairly recent version of Internet Explorer so I'm unable to use it on my old desktop running Win 2K.  I use Google Maps to do the original design of the route and then switch to Tyre for the detail instructions.  This system has worked well for creating GPS route files for the OtP Travelers for a number of years.  After creating a route for my own use, I then open the route file with MapSource to transfer it to one of my two StreetPilot series GPS units which are loaded with two different old mapsets. 
 
I am very detailed with my use of waypoints.  I put a waypoint after every turn and along long stretches of the same road to ensure the GPS unit follows the intended route without variation and gives detailed instructions.  I take advantage of Tyre's ability to allow me to see the Google Maps Aerial & Streetview of an intersection to pick the exact location of my waypoints.  Because I'm so detailed in my route planning this is not a quick process but it does give me the exact GPS route guidance I want for a 250+ mile ride.  As an example I've attached the gpx route file that the OtP Travelers used from Johnson City to Charleston, WV.  As you will see, outside of 20 miles on I-26 to Kingsport the entire remaining 325 miles is on two lane back roads that a GPS unit would not select when calculating a route. 

Now I just need to figure out when letting my StreetPilot 2820 calculate a route, how to get it to stop sending me via Duluth, MN and Ontario Canada when routing fron New Jersey to Massachusetts.  :(
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Re: Making GPS routes
« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2014, 01:39:42 pm »
Has anyone tried this new one- It uploads directly from GoogleMaps into Garmin.
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Re: Making GPS routes
« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2015, 04:38:50 pm »
anyone try this route making website?

http://www.motowhere.com/

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Re: Making GPS routes
« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2015, 05:38:18 pm »

https://trips.furkot.com/

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Re: Making GPS routes
« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2015, 11:27:56 pm »
Here is an agenda that I use to teach BaseCamp haters to enjoy BaseCamp in 3 hours. I think that is the best tutorial that I have seen: http://www.newenglandriders.org/Learn_BaseCamp.htm

Here is a link that discusses GPS and routing software: http://www.newenglandriders.org/GPS_Basics.htm
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Re: Making GPS routes
« Reply #18 on: July 05, 2015, 08:29:19 pm »
anyone try this route making website?

http://www.motowhere.com/

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I was looking for something like this, thanks.

I am a TYRE/TOMTOM user. And their website is based out of a foreign country ( to me ), and theres very little support/info/routes for the US market.

Their website is terrible. Searching routes is a chore.  I should try it in I/E though.  Chrome may not like their site.  But I've uploaded more than one route, and if I search for it, it does not exist. 
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Re: Making GPS routes
« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2015, 07:42:43 pm »
I too have been very busy trying out software and Apps to handle creating and importing routes. Many riders in our group use GPX (Garmin) formatted files and of course I had to be different. Well, recently I came across a very nice android/Iphone App called Be-on-road. Its a very good navigation app that doesn't require a network connection. Its made by the creators of Sygic and in this version, they save and read gpx files. That makes it real easy to read routes from riders who have garmins. I use my phone for everything and I'm sure many others do as well. Try it out.
Another REAL HANDY app I found lets you create and read gpx and kml routes all on you android and ipad/iphone devices. The app is called Myroutemap. If this isn't the best route creation app, I don't know what is. I use it on my phone or tablet to read in or create my own routes. Its very easy to use and very fast. I read in others gpx files and can clean them up on the fly. The best part is I can travel with my tablet and leave the PC home. It also finds hotels and other useful POI's. The writer of Myroutemap is awesome. I've been emailing him over the past month and he has incorporated just about everything I asked for.
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Re: Making GPS routes
« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2016, 08:38:35 pm »
i do it with http://www.motoplaner.de/

it is a great, online planner, based on google maps, easy to use, and a big collection of export formats.
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Re: Making GPS routes
« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2016, 04:07:26 pm »
i do it with http://www.motoplaner.de/

it is a great, online planner, based on google maps, easy to use, and a big collection of export formats.

Unfortunately, it is not totally user friendly for us English only readers.  :(  I guess I'll have to stick with Tyre for planning the OtP Traveler's routes for now.
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Re: Making GPS routes
« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2016, 05:42:48 pm »
I started using MyRoute-app Web and found that I like it very much.  You can share routes, Tweet, Facebook and email. You can add friends that are signed up and share routes between you.  You can save in Numerous formats and if a Gold Member you can directly Export the file to your GPS device.

Here is a route I did for Georgia Waterfalls

http://www.myrouteapp.com/en/social/route/33992?mode=share

My account is "Chris D" if anyone is already using this app and wants to add me.  Also, I've added some approved IBA routes for Germany and Austria.
 
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Re: Making GPS routes
« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2016, 06:03:37 pm »
i do it with http://www.motoplaner.de/

it is a great, online planner, based on google maps, easy to use, and a big collection of export formats.

Unfortunately, it is not totally user friendly for us English only readers.  :(  I guess I'll have to stick with Tyre for planning the OtP Traveler's routes for now.


Works just fine if you use Chrome with translate page enabled (Chrome-More Tools-Extensions-Advanced-Translate Pages)

But Tyre will be fine since most of the Euro guys use it.
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Re: Making GPS routes
« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2016, 06:32:22 pm »
If you like Tyre you will like Myroute even better and it's easier to use.  I tried Tyre then they offered a deal for a percentage off to buy into MyRoute.  Glad I did....
 
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