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Something better than Sena 20S for 4 or 5 riders in a group?
« on: September 07, 2017, 09:24:27 pm »
Hi All,  My wife and I have been using Sena 20S intercoms for communication, music and navigation.  With her on her own bike and they work amazingly well,  Crystal clear communication, our own music via Bluetooth from our phones etc.  They work so well I convinced other friends to get the same units.  But sadly in our small group of usually 3 or 4 , but sometimes 5 riders,  the intercom quality drops dramatically with each additional unit we add.  We all have the latest firmware, and have tried many variations of connection modes, group intercom, HD intercom, with and without earbuds and just regular with the same results, popping and crackling in the audio.  Also we have a hard time keeping the connection up for more than maybe 20 miles without needing to reconnect ..   Connectors are all tight and freshly cleaned,  cables good etc.

A google search finds many complaints about this usually described as popcorn sounds in the speakers, but no resolution.  I have used these for close to 3 years and we have fought to make them usable.  They work so well 1 to 1 but fail miserably in a group.  We have spent many hours troubleshooting all the recommendation online and nothing has had an effect on the noisy connection.

So my question is does anyone know of something that works well in a group of maybe 6 riders max.   And also supports the Bluetooth connection from a phone for music?  We are not opposed to replacing the Sena's with something else entirely IF they will work properly .
 
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Re: Something better than Sena 20S for 4 or 5 riders in a group?
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2017, 02:04:03 pm »
Gary during the recent Scala Group buy, the seller offered to help us with technical problems.
My apologies; I'm leaving rite now. Will try to find the info later.

Update: I found the info and PM'd it to you.

If you can find the discussion on the Forum his info is there.

I think I recall that a new Scala Unit will be offered soon.

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Re: Something better than Sena 20S for 4 or 5 riders in a group?
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2017, 03:22:32 pm »
AMP Pro.... friggin' awesome.
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Re: Something better than Sena 20S for 4 or 5 riders in a group?
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2017, 09:41:00 pm »
Thank guys in touch with Ted's recommendation, we'll see how that goes ..


JD   do you have experience with the AMP pro in a group ? 
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Re: Something better than Sena 20S for 4 or 5 riders in a group?
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2017, 02:16:58 am »
Thank guys in touch with Ted's recommendation, we'll see how that goes ..


JD   do you have experience with the AMP pro in a group ?
Unfortunately here my friends don't have the comms, so it's only me... but the device is top notch!
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Re: Something better than Sena 20S for 4 or 5 riders in a group?
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2017, 12:56:42 pm »
Hi Gary,  Just wondering...  Because I don't have these.
Does it have good VOX or PPT working for all units?  The last thing you want is 5-6 open mics all adding noise to the line.  It really needs to be PPT for groups in my mind.
PPT  = push to talk button
VOX = voice activated transmitting.

If just one of your friends vox is not set correct and is transmitting bike noise to everyone it will suck for everyone.
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Re: Something better than Sena 20S for 4 or 5 riders in a group?
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2017, 01:16:12 pm »
Thanks for the response and suggestions.  If these didn't work so well 1 to 1 I would just have assumed it was a terrible design, but they work and seem to be very good in every aspect EXCEPT in the group.

The Sena's ONLY have VOX,  but the trigger sensitivity is adjustable ..  They definitely sound like there is an open mic in group mode,  but the noise is not bike or road noise, its a pop and crackle (Hard to describe) and happens even at standstill with a quiet background.  But I will check the groups VOX sensitivity maybe some are set low and holding things open...


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Re: Something better than Sena 20S for 4 or 5 riders in a group?
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2017, 10:18:55 pm »
Love my group setup with Cardo Packtalks. (Smartpack for 4 or less riders.)

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Re: Something better than Sena 20S for 4 or 5 riders in a group?
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2017, 01:22:57 pm »
Sena just released the 30K just for this issue! https://www.sena.com/product/30k/

With the mesh network, you can easily add riders but also when they leave or rejoin again later, it easily corrects itself and maintains a clear communication connection.

I would like to get this as I have a 20S also, but waiting for reviews and feedback and if plays well with existing Sena units.
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Re: Something better than Sena 20S for 4 or 5 riders in a group?
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2017, 01:31:32 pm »
Love my group setup with Cardo Packtalks. (Smartpack for 4 or less riders.)

Question Akumu, you are using them in a group 4 or more ?       

Is the audio quality good in that mode and noise minimal ??

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Re: Something better than Sena 20S for 4 or 5 riders in a group?
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2017, 11:57:30 pm »
Never had more than 4, but never noticed any audio quality loss. No 'noise' at all. None. People get automatically reconnected...it's a honey of a setup. It's not Bluetooth, so I think that might be the ticket. Dynamic Meshwork is here to stay. (As Sena has found out over a year later now...)

There's lots of reviews around for the Packtalk, as well.

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Re: Something better than Sena 20S for 4 or 5 riders in a group?
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2017, 12:28:43 am »
This looks very promising.  I think I want one
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Re: Something better than Sena 20S for 4 or 5 riders in a group?
« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2017, 02:15:40 pm »
I have been reading and watching reviews and I have decided that the Sena 30k  does not come close to the  specs or options of the Scala PackTalk
I am going to order  the   Cardo  Scala  PackTalk.  Scala claims 5 miles vs  Sena's  1 mile.  I really doubt 5 miles but what I also found was the standard banana plug for my custom earbuds on the Scala. I dont see that on the Sena.
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Re: Something better than Sena 20S for 4 or 5 riders in a group?
« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2017, 02:27:16 pm »
The standard mini plug for earbuds does exists on the Sena 20s on the bracket, I use it almost exclusively.   I assume the 30 will be similar.   
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