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Re: 3rd Annual Sport-touring school at Jennings GP
« Reply #50 on: October 19, 2018, 09:32:56 pm »

Jorge is not going to sign up for the class but he'll be taking pictures. 

Sounds like we have a "Volunteer" to check the lap times.   :great:

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Re: 3rd Annual Sport-touring school at Jennings GP
« Reply #51 on: October 20, 2018, 12:49:36 am »
Wow Ed, it feels so good to hear that. Truly....
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Re: 3rd Annual Sport-touring school at Jennings GP
« Reply #52 on: October 20, 2018, 02:13:01 am »

Do any overachievers have a first draft of their track maps to post up on here?

I just put 4 attempts in the media section. The album is named     jennings_gp_track_maps      One is a blank track outline if anyone wants one and the other three were different formats of mine over the last couple days.

I've never ridden Jennings nor made a track map. I have visited Jennings track days 4 different times with intermediate and advanced rider friends.

My estimates of speeds and gears are from my recent watching of numerous videos over the last couple days. As they say in boxing and MMA, "Everybody has a fight plan until they get hit."

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Re: 3rd Annual Sport-touring school at Jennings GP
« Reply #53 on: October 20, 2018, 03:34:29 am »
I know this track well and I really like what I'm seeing on your track Maps. I'm not able to see your planned gear selections. Can you write them in w a pencil? Hint: your gears selections are likely to change after a certain class session so pencil is advised.....

Jorge and Irene's photography rivals that of professionals. We are lucky to have them taking pics in the paddock
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Re: 3rd Annual Sport-touring school at Jennings GP
« Reply #54 on: October 20, 2018, 05:56:02 am »


Jorge is not going to sign up for the class but he'll be taking pictures.  Just FYI Ed

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Then we'll have plenty of pictures. I'm thinking about renting the long glass again, though after talking to a photographer friend of mine in Orlando I might get the Nikon 200-500 instead of the Tamron 150-600 I used last time.

Doug: regarding your comment about Irene's and Jorge's photography...since they have worked as professional photographers, it's no surprise... :) We're blessed to have them as part of the SE.
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Re: 3rd Annual Sport-touring school at Jennings GP
« Reply #55 on: October 20, 2018, 11:37:47 am »
......I'm not able to see your planned gear selections. Can you write them in w a pencil? Hint: your gears selections are likely to change after a certain class session so pencil is advised.....


I look forward to that class.  I only plan on two gears: 3rd and 4th.

I will only go to 3rd in two sections:
a) out of turn 1 toward a shift to 4th between turn 1 and turn 2.
b) into and thru turn 6 using 3rd all thru turns 7,8,9,10,11 and toward a shift to 4th between turn 11 and turn 12.


I'll bring a pencil.

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Re: 3rd Annual Sport-touring school at Jennings GP
« Reply #56 on: October 20, 2018, 11:57:03 am »
......I'm not able to see your planned gear selections. Can you write them in w a pencil? Hint: your gears selections are likely to change after a certain class session so pencil is advised.....


I look forward to that class.  I only plan on two gears: 3rd and 4th.

I will only go to 3rd in two sections:
a) out of turn 1 toward a shift to 4th between turn 1 and turn 2.
b) into and thru turn 6 using 3rd all thru turns 7,8,9,10,11 and toward a shift to 4th between turn 11 and turn 12.


I'll bring a pencil.

Just my suggestion, I used just 2nd a and 3rd on both my 05 R1 and 10 Concours. My smaller bikes ninja 250 and car 250, a lot more gears. Even when I took a zx6 (if I remember right) I only used 2nd and 3rd, sometimes 4th and that was only coming out of 1 until 4. The speed in that area can be scary for a 1st time track rider.
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Re: 3rd Annual Sport-touring school at Jennings GP
« Reply #57 on: October 20, 2018, 12:51:21 pm »
Roader, your #4 map places your apex's at about the same points I remember from when I was there for Doug's class.
Last year, we all rode Novice and I'll be doing so again as I'm continuing to learn.
{So, this is from my Novice perspective}
Towards the end of the day, I think I may have touched 4th gear a few times, but (like Rico) I mostly used 2nd, and 3rd.

Doug, I'm really looking forward to this. Thank you for doing it again.
If we can help with anything, let us know.

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Re: 3rd Annual Sport-touring school at Jennings GP
« Reply #58 on: October 20, 2018, 01:07:21 pm »


.......The speed in that area can be scary for a 1st time track rider.

I have no doubt that speed, traffic, and mistakes make what I've mapped an uncertainty, perhaps far too big a chunk for one novice day. It's just how I line up my public twisty experience with my bike, the map, and videos.

My bike pulls very strong from 30 to 115 mph in 3rd and 40 to 135 in 4th gear. It's going to be well worth it even if I have to lower the "plan".

Thanks for sharing your experience with me.

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Re: 3rd Annual Sport-touring school at Jennings GP
« Reply #59 on: October 20, 2018, 01:22:56 pm »
Roader, your #4 map places your apex's at about the same points I remember from when I was there for Doug's class.
Last year, we all rode Novice and I'll be doing so again as I'm continuing to learn.
{So, this is from my Novice perspective}
Towards the end of the day, I think I may have touched 4th gear a few times, but (like Rico) I mostly used 2nd, and 3rd.

Ride safe, Ted

Thanks,
Also, I imagine there are very specific instructed skills we're to practice and demonstrate after each class session such as trail braking and body positioning so there's a lot to experience. It could be overwhelming (but learning's fun).

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Re: 3rd Annual Sport-touring school at Jennings GP
« Reply #60 on: October 20, 2018, 01:54:29 pm »
Your correct and mentioned something that others (that have not attended his class) may not be aware of.

ie; Some of you may be concerned that you can't go fast e'nuff and are overwhelmed by the idea of a track day.
      I felt the same way last year.    Don't be....

       Any experienced rider can learn from the experience.

As Doug told us.   Ya gotta go slow, before ya can go fast...
And, that's what we're gonna do.
 The sessions are aimed at learning skills and not how fast you can go.
 We will start of slow,,,, and Doug will teach us skills that we will practice and build on.
 As we learn, the speed will increase and the skills will become {almost} second nature.

NOTE: It will NOT be boring.
          The speed will build thru the day {and yes,,, your adrenalin will be flowing} but everyone has to learn the skills first.

Ride safe, Ted

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Re: 3rd Annual Sport-touring school at Jennings GP
« Reply #61 on: October 20, 2018, 04:02:12 pm »


Jorge is not going to sign up for the class but he'll be taking pictures.  Just FYI Ed

Irene

Then we'll have plenty of pictures. I'm thinking about renting the long glass again, though after talking to a photographer friend of mine in Orlando I might get the Nikon 200-500 instead of the Tamron 150-600 I used last time.

Doug: regarding your comment about Irene's and Jorge's photography...since they have worked as professional photographers, it's no surprise... :) We're blessed to have them as part of the SE.

Ed, stop doing this... keep the expectations low is my motto  :)

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Re: 3rd Annual Sport-touring school at Jennings GP
« Reply #62 on: October 21, 2018, 03:01:54 am »
I'm going to study these maps then , put on a blindfold and GO FOR IT :motonoises:
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Re: 3rd Annual Sport-touring school at Jennings GP
« Reply #63 on: October 21, 2018, 02:33:34 pm »
I'm going to study these maps then , put on a blindfold and GO FOR IT :motonoises:

When you're going for it,  set your speed control to 100mph for the full 2 miles and you'll nab the track record by a fraction of a second...... Really, I did the math.

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Re: 3rd Annual Sport-touring school at Jennings GP
« Reply #64 on: October 23, 2018, 02:21:48 am »
I'm going to study these maps then , put on a blindfold and GO FOR IT :motonoises:

When you're going for it,  set your speed control to 100mph for the full 2 miles and you'll nab the track record by a fraction of a second...... Really, I did the math.


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Re: 3rd Annual Sport-touring school at Jennings GP
« Reply #65 on: October 23, 2018, 12:24:22 pm »
I'm going to study these maps then , put on a blindfold and GO FOR IT :motonoises:

When you're going for it,  set your speed control to 100mph for the full 2 miles and you'll nab the track record by a fraction of a second...... Really, I did the math.


Get me a 600 track bike, Big Bertha is Daunting :o
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« Reply #66 on: October 23, 2018, 01:04:27 pm »
Hey Doug (Old Buddy)… I've been meaning to ask you a question.
Can I borrow your race ready gsxr-1000??
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Re: 3rd Annual Sport-touring school at Jennings GP
« Reply #67 on: October 23, 2018, 02:36:16 pm »
I am trying to work out all the details and get signed up this year. I'd like to enroll my two kids who ride. They aren't COG members. Are there any options for this or will I have to purchase full COG memberships for each of them? We'd all three be in the Novice class if that matters.

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« Reply #68 on: October 23, 2018, 04:40:05 pm »
Hhmmm...
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« Reply #69 on: October 23, 2018, 08:47:28 pm »
When you sign up do you see a drop-down dialog box that allows you to sign up a guest? If not send me a PM with your phone number and I'll help you
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« Reply #70 on: October 23, 2018, 08:58:08 pm »
So...How about a list of who is riding Sunday?
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Re: 3rd Annual Sport-touring school at Jennings GP
« Reply #71 on: October 25, 2018, 12:10:58 pm »
Just signed up.  Last year was a blast.  :))
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Oh, and if Ed's not riding, I'll be able to get tall leathers, and my shorts won't go missing
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« Reply #72 on: October 25, 2018, 01:03:21 pm »
When you sign up do you see a drop-down dialog box that allows you to sign up a guest? If not send me a PM with your phone number and I'll help you

No it doesn't give me the option to register a guest. I went ahead and registered myself and tried to register again for the second person, and it tells me "You are already registered for this event".

I'll send me phone number by PM. TIA.

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« Reply #73 on: October 25, 2018, 01:34:18 pm »
Hey Doug

Does anyone want to make some money on Friday?

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Re: 3rd Annual Sport-touring school at Jennings GP
« Reply #74 on: October 25, 2018, 08:08:55 pm »
As a guide to all of you here is what I recommend you do to build a track map:

1. print a JenningsGP map from either their website, google pictures, or trackpedia.

2. Get a stack of printer paper and start drawing track maps that take up the whole 8.5x11 page while looking at the one you printed

3. Then try redrawing the map from memory

4. After you have drawn it sufficiently well, then write the corner numbers

5. Next get a blank piece of paper and write LLLRLLRLRLLLRR which is the order of the turns starting with turn 1. Memorize the turns by closing your eyes and envisioning the turns in your head saying the LLLRLL.... and having somebody check you. This is how you know that you memorized the map.

6. Next draw in features, like the start finish line, rumble strips, etc.

7. Then comes the fun. Start watching YouTube videos of "Jennings CCS Race Amateur" and do not think you will go that fast. I just want you to watch the authority on the topic. Watching a track day guy would be the wrong source of information as you can learn it wrong.

8. Start watching and pausing the video and draw on your map. You should draw the line on the track that represents where you will be in the track as you go around. You will notice there are actually three pieces of pavement, creating two seams.

9. Then write down what gears you plan to be in at different portions of the track.

10. This is also a good time to write in features that become visible as you traverse the course, and pat yourself on the back.

This is actually hard work and you will not do all of this in one sitting. Then crack open a cold one because you will have a giant epiphany as to why you are doing all this  :beerchug:
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