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Offline Anthony

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2CT tires
« on: June 26, 2014, 04:38:01 am »
I have always had sport bikes (Honda CBR600 and Honda RVT1000) before I got my concours. I always had Pilot Power, Pilot Power 2CT and Pilot Power Pure tires on my bike. Through talking to some people they say that the bike would shred the dual compound tires because of the power of the bike. Unfortunately the people I talked to were very partial to other tire brands. Anyone have thoughts on here on how the dual compound Michelin Pilot Power tires would be on the Connie? They have always been amazing on my other bikes.

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Re: 2CT tires
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2014, 02:01:36 pm »
The Pilot Power 2CTs should be fine on the C14 but won't last very long.
The general concensus on here seems to be to use the Pilot Road 2 instead.
Personally I prefer the PR3 and currently have a PR4 front which is just as good and promises longer life.
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Re: 2CT tires
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2014, 02:12:28 pm »
yeah, the weight of the bike and the added stresses on the tires would wear them out quickly compared to a light sport bike.  Pilot Roads would be a better direction.  You want to look for "GT" versions of tires.  that generally means they are made for the stresses of heavier bikes.

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Re: 2CT tires
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2014, 06:00:32 pm »
Ok great thanks guys!

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Re: 2CT tires
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2014, 02:04:49 pm »
I to come from a sport bike background. I thought from the very start, I would try different types of tires. pr3, pr2, angel gt, ect, ect. the one tire that preformed  the best was the pp, in the 55 size. Only got 4500 miles, but the performance was out standing. One needs to way the differences. Do I want performance, or mileage.I now have pr3 in the 50 size. looks like lots of rubber but the performance is way down. Just my thoughts.

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Re: 2CT tires
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2014, 02:14:23 pm »
2CT's sportbike tires work great on my Connie.  Much stickier than road tires too but I don;t get as many miles out of them.

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Re: 2CT tires
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2014, 06:41:28 pm »
What official resources are providing this information? :-X
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Re: 2CT tires
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2014, 09:53:17 pm »
Um....my experience with them on sport bikes and others similar on the connie??? 

do you have some experiences that differ from what's offered?

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Re: 2CT tires
« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2014, 04:06:13 pm »
 The discussion just lacks specificity. 2CT refers to dual compoind, medium in the middle and soft on the sides. I think there are some here who believe 2CT is just a name. And we are not all clear about profiles. 55 profiles tend to be V-shaped. This results in a narrow contact patch in the center and wider on the sides. If some of us used a 2CT sized 180-55 then it may wear quicker than a single compound 190-50. Overall a dual compound should last longer and grip better than a single compound. There are so many variations on this dual compound discussion. And mfg's tell us nothing about the tires they sell us. Its all hype promos and advertising. To complicate things more I believe that at times two tires branded the same are not truly the same. Lack of detailed knowledge is rampant on this topic. Just ask people why they believe tires cup and you'll see my point. Maybe a tire seminar is in order soon.... anybody want to team up at the next National Rally for a tire discussion? There are so many myths to be dispelled and so much brand loyalty to be unlocked.....
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Re: 2CT tires
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2014, 12:21:58 am »
PR3s and Angel GTs are both dual compound tires. Probably PR4s as well.

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Re: 2CT tires
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2014, 01:04:52 am »
I have always had sport bikes (Honda CBR600 and Honda RVT1000) before I got my concours. I always had Pilot Power, Pilot Power 2CT and Pilot Power Pure tires on my bike. Through talking to some people they say that the bike would shred the dual compound tires because of the power of the bike. Unfortunately the people I talked to were very partial to other tire brands. Anyone have thoughts on here on how the dual compound Michelin Pilot Power tires would be on the Connie? They have always been amazing on my other bikes.

I ran pilot powers on a 600 lb sport touring bike(ZZR1200) for years. The Connie weighs another 100 lbs. Doubt the added weight would worry the tires too much. I liked the Powers: 1) for the grip, 2) the tread pattern did not lend itself to cupping or blocking, and 3) for the confidence. I have not run them on my Connie (yet). I have gone with the consensus and used ST tires. I have been a bit disappointed in these super tires since the wear seems to be irregular, and I think the handling and comfort goes away at about 4k miles anyway. I would expect a rear power on a Connie to last about 3-4k, and a front 5-6k. If you factor in cost of the tires, mileage, and changing fees, it probably ends up being pretty even. If you factor that you don't spend time riding a tire that feels like crap, but still has too much tread left to toss, for me, that would be the difference.

Just bought a set of BT016 for $219. I will likely put them on when the PR2's I have on now are done.

BTW. I ran 3 sets of PR3's through the Connie and they all did the same thing......gave a less than satisfactory ride beyond 4K. Front tire cupped, and the rear wore excessively on the left side of tire much quicker than the right. The rear also tended to square off at the point where two different compounds met.

I don't for the life of me know how guys are getting upwards of 10K miles out of a set tires. Likely the road surfaces in their area is much kinder to tires. I would say my riding style is about average. I do a few track days each year on a sport bike, and ride the Concours med/hard when conditions allow. ;)

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Re: 2CT tires
« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2014, 03:11:47 am »



BTW. I ran 3 sets of PR3's through the Connie and they all did the same thing......gave a less than satisfactory ride beyond 4K. Front tire cupped, and the rear wore excessively on the left side of tire much quicker than the right. The rear also tended to square off at the point where two different compounds met.

I don't for the life of me know how guys are getting upwards of 10K miles out of a set tires. Likely the road surfaces in their area is much kinder to tires. I would say my riding style is about average. I do a few track days each year on a sport bike, and ride the Concours med/hard when conditions allow. ;)

Exactly why I'm changing my PR3s before they are totally gone. Have about 5K miles on them now. Ordered Angel GTs. See if there is a difference.

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Re: 2CT tires
« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2014, 11:53:42 am »
Mehush: cupping is not a tire problem

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Re: 2CT tires
« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2014, 12:07:06 pm »
Well thats gonna end up costing me $$$$$
Thanks?    :017:
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Re: 2CT tires
« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2014, 02:54:28 pm »
Sorry brotha. Interestingly Damping rod forks found on some bikes currently sold are the most notorious for cupping tires. Damping rods have the least damping at slow speeds of fork travel amd the wheel bounces imperceptibly nonstop. You could make a list of bikes still made with this design and I would avoid all of them.

Which of your bikes is having this problem? Does that bike have damping rods or cartridges?
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