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Title: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: JTX on September 15, 2016, 11:19:43 am
6000 miles....


The center is a bit flat spotted on both tires. I ran them in the high 30s.  I Think 39 or 40 for the duration of the trip.


The FRONT edges are near the wear bars.


The rear is fine still.


Wet, hot, cold, rain, SNOW, and they held the road beautifully.


I nearly low sided on highway 550 in Colorado. If I had NOT had these tires, I would have went down, for sure.  These tires saved my butt, literally and I'm going to continue to use these tires as long as they are being made.

I ran about 250 miles two-up with the wife, but otherwise it was just me and a well-loaded bike for 6K.


- I'll upload some pix of their condition shortly.  I'm still washing the 6K of dirt off the bike, day two.
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: Sailor_chic on September 15, 2016, 02:54:57 pm
Okay, so let me get this straight. If you were using PR4GT's, that you would have crashed? I kinda find this hard to believe.
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: JTX on September 15, 2016, 03:39:52 pm


 I'll be more specific for ya.

If i had OEM bridgestone 023 tires I wouldn't have held the road.  I'm sure what you have is on par with the perelli. 

But after the perelli saving my butt I'll be sticking to the angel GTs
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: Steve in Sunny Fla on September 15, 2016, 03:46:30 pm
As an accomplished and well trained Florida rider, curves tend to scare the snot out of me. I recently put an angel on the rear (replaced a pr3) still have pr3 in the front. I went to RWTW this past weekend, and this was the most confident I've ever felt on a bike in that environment. Still scary for me, but at least on this trip there was no screaming in my helmet to distract me  :-\ :-\ . The angel is thoroughly predictable all the time. From here on out, I'm running Angels. Steve
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: JTX on September 15, 2016, 04:12:42 pm
As an accomplished and well trained Florida rider, curves tend to scare the snot out of me. I recently put an angel on the rear (replaced a pr3) still have pr3 in the front. I went to RWTW this past weekend, and this was the most confident I've ever felt on a bike in that environment. Still scary for me, but at least on this trip there was no screaming in my helmet to distract me  :-\ :-\ . The angel is thoroughly predictable all the time. From here on out, I'm running Angels. Steve


Right on.

Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: JTX on September 15, 2016, 04:19:44 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/e3VjQ43.jpg)




(http://i.imgur.com/AVMRh42.jpg)




(http://i.imgur.com/1iUDnaA.jpg)






(http://i.imgur.com/m53sZeU.jpg)





Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: KevinRLI on September 15, 2016, 04:47:58 pm
Having gone though 3 sets of Angel GT's on my 2012 I can comment on this. Angel's were on back order and I decided to give the Pilot 4 GT's a try and it's not the same feel. I've had a chance to get into a few turns with the Pilots and they grip but the turn in is effortless with the Angels. They fall into turns. When you 1st put them on and you're not used to them they can be a little scary they fall in so easy. I have about 10,000 miles or 2/3 of a year for me to thoroughly feel out the Pilot's but unless they start feeling better after more miles I'll be going right back to my Angels when I wear the Pilots out.
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: seagiant1 on September 15, 2016, 07:37:13 pm
Hi,
        Wow!

You guys are making me feel good! ;D

Just put on some Angel GT "A Spec"s on, and of course they feel better than the old OEM"s! (5500 miles) ::)

I'll keep these comments in mind as I use them!!! :great:
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: KevinRLI on September 15, 2016, 09:51:50 pm
Hi,
        Wow!

You guys are making me feel good! ;D

Just put on some Angel GT "A Spec"s on, and of course they feel better than the old OEM"s! (5500 miles) ::)

I'll keep these comments in mind as I use them!!! :great:

I put about 30,000 miles on Angels....
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: Sailor_chic on September 15, 2016, 10:32:34 pm
JTX, those pics have 6k miles on them? And your pleased with that condition of them at this stage?
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: JTX on September 15, 2016, 10:42:51 pm
JTX, those pics have 6k miles on them? And your pleased with that condition of them at this stage?


5920 to be exact.


I've noticed no difference in handling since they were new, and theres room for more.
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: seagiant1 on September 15, 2016, 11:24:46 pm
Hi,
        Well....As I said, my OEM Bridgestones made 5500 miles and were toast! :(

They were sguared off so bad that the bike wanted to drop, into turns..... :o

NOT in a good way, and yes, we do have a FEW curves in Florida! ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V0Vu_utUZY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V0Vu_utUZY)
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: JTX on September 15, 2016, 11:39:00 pm



These are squared pretty good, but not noticeable while riding.  I wouldnt have noticed if if I didnt look at them.


What I find interesting is the front seems to be more worn than the back.  But I was loaded down pretty heavy and did some spirited riding with some hard braking more than once or twice :)




As someone else said, when you FIRST ride with these tires they feel WEIRD, but you get used to it very fast.  Within a few miles.





Hi,
        Well....As I said, my OEM Bridgestones made 5500 miles and were toast! :(

They were sguared off so bad that the bike wanted to drop, into turns..... :o

NOT in a good way, and yes, we do have a FEW curves in Florida! ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V0Vu_utUZY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V0Vu_utUZY)
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: gsun on September 16, 2016, 03:01:45 am
When I first got a set, it was not weird at all. It was how the bike should handle. Tried PRs and won't use them again. Not in the same league. Strange wear as well.
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: ghostrider990 on September 24, 2016, 04:03:42 pm
When I first got a set, it was not weird at all. It was how the bike should handle. Tried PRs and won't use them again. Not in the same league. Strange wear as well.

Totally agree with this.
4k miles on mine, and plenty of tread all around.  Slightly flat in rear center, totally normal for me.
been running at about 42psi fr/rr, and could probably stand to run them slightly lower for more grip thru the twisties.

Will continue to buy these tires or the updated future replacements.

gr
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: JTX on January 06, 2017, 09:25:55 pm
I finally made a snippet of the gopro video of me nearly having a bad day on 550, if not for my superior skills  and the Angel GTs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nQ5PM9QMVg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nQ5PM9QMVg)




...all seriousness, I'm not a new rider and If these tires did not give the feedback they provided at the time of this front end slide, I would probably have been fixing the bike.


I'm a lifer for the Pirelli Brand after this.


Its hard to tell in the video, but the roadway is just slightly damp.


Dont forget to check the 1080 quality button and go full screen for the BEST effect on your equilibrium  :-\ :-\
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: angelo on January 07, 2017, 03:45:08 am
Well looking at a video is certainly not being there so my comments are probably not worth more than a foot ball fan on Sunday saying, "you shoulda passed."

I would hope the dampness mattered more than the riding.  You look very smooth, reasonable speeds, and reasonable acceleration at apex.  I've had this bike get squirrely on exit on PR4's but seemingly (in real life) much more speed and throttle at exit in the dry.  I bet the dampness played a big part.  I agree with you that feedback is the key.  Clearly you had good feedback and controlled it very well.  A good day!   :great:  Been using PR4's on the last couple bikes, but I'm going to give the Pirelli a shot maybe next change - on the rear - not front.
Nice save!


On a different note - this is exactly why I always have the TPMS on the dash when sport riding.  Hard throttle on apex, rear end squirrels out.  In the old days I'd wonder nice save or is it going flat?  Quick look down between turns and you know the air is fine and you just showed some skill - or got lucky - or both!

Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: JTX on January 07, 2017, 10:42:36 pm
Well looking at a video is certainly not being there so my comments are probably not worth more than a foot ball fan on Sunday saying, "you shoulda passed."

I would hope the dampness mattered more than the riding.  You look very smooth, reasonable speeds, and reasonable acceleration at apex.  I've had this bike get squirrely on exit on PR4's but seemingly (in real life) much more speed and throttle at exit in the dry.  I bet the dampness played a big part.  I agree with you that feedback is the key.  Clearly you had good feedback and controlled it very well.  A good day!   :great:  Been using PR4's on the last couple bikes, but I'm going to give the Pirelli a shot maybe next change - on the rear - not front.
Nice save!


On a different note - this is exactly why I always have the TPMS on the dash when sport riding.  Hard throttle on apex, rear end squirrels out.  In the old days I'd wonder nice save or is it going flat?  Quick look down between turns and you know the air is fine and you just showed some skill - or got lucky - or both!


Well, I will say I was pushing it pretty hard as in I Had a full load on the saddle bags, rear pack, and a dry bag for clothes.  So, the bike was working.  Add just a tad of wetness and it broke loose.  Though, I felt every second of it and I was able to keep it under control.
What went through my mind as it was sliding was, ambulance, hospital, 900 miles from home, YIKES. :truce:    But that said, I was not going that fast.  Maybe 25?


And your right was not hot-dogging it through there.  But the bike was leaned over pretty far for a big heavy scooter.  I probably should have took the corners slower due to the spotty wet spots. And, well, I did after that.
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: angelo on January 07, 2017, 11:27:04 pm
Videos always tamer than real life for sure!  Yeah you looked (motor sounded) like great control. Clearly you had good feedback.  I've enjoyed the feedback form pr4s but am seriously considering these.  I understand the looking for wet spots the rest of the day - been there too!
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: JTX on January 07, 2017, 11:29:05 pm
Videos always tamer than real life for sure!  Yeah you looked (motor sounded) like great control. Clearly you had good feedback.  I've enjoyed the feedback form pr4s but am seriously considering these.  I understand the looking for wet spots the rest of the day - been there too!


Yeah.  Too bad the video noise is clunky though. I Forgot a part of the gopro so it was rattling in the case. Oops.





Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: angelo on January 08, 2017, 12:05:03 am
Hey JTX - or anyone else - just thought of this.  Doesn't your year have traction control?  Does it take longer than that to kick in?  (Mine is an 08 abs with no TC)  Sorry if this is a derail - but a great example caught on video.
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: JTX on January 08, 2017, 12:10:18 am
Hey JTX - or anyone else - just thought of this.  Doesn't your year have traction control?  Does it take longer than that to kick in?  (Mine is an 08 abs with no TC)


Yes but it wouldnt be applicable to this kind of traction loss. I wish!!


The KTRAC is for the rear wheel slipping upon acceleration. 


ETA: Attaching the pictures for future searches when my image links are gone.
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: Bruiser on January 08, 2017, 06:23:23 am
I am on second set of Angels on my '12. The rear presently has 10k on it and looks like it could go another 5k! I do plan on replacing it this Spring in spite of that. The front has 4k and should easily go another 3k! And they have been awesome in the rain with lots of grip!
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: JTX on January 19, 2017, 12:58:45 pm
I am on second set of Angels on my '12. The rear presently has 10k on it and looks like it could go another 5k! I do plan on replacing it this Spring in spite of that. The front has 4k and should easily go another 3k! And they have been awesome in the rain with lots of grip!




Absolutely one of the best tires I've ever had.


Just watch it when the roads get just right and the lean angles get far enough, you can go for a RIDE like I did!    Though, this can happen to ANY tire.  I'm biased, but I think the tires themselves and their feedback kept me upright.


I plan on doing this ride again next year.  However I plan on being a little less aggressive on those sharp/DAMP corners. :-[


Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: Sailor_chic on January 19, 2017, 02:23:05 pm
Hey JTX - or anyone else - just thought of this.  Doesn't your year have traction control?  Does it take longer than that to kick in?  (Mine is an 08 abs with no TC)


Yes but it wouldnt be applicable to this kind of traction loss. I wish!!


The KTRAC is for the rear wheel slipping upon acceleration. 


ETA: Attaching the pictures for future searches when my image links are gone.

Are those pics to show the chicken strips, or almost large enough to be called chicken fillets?  :D

All kidding aside. Ive never seen that kind of harsh wear on a michelin. Those pics are a definite deciding factor for me, no Angel GT. If I change, Ill follow Cliffs recommendation and try Avon's. 31 sets of tires is a thorough test of a product.
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: JTX on January 19, 2017, 02:34:24 pm
Hey JTX - or anyone else - just thought of this.  Doesn't your year have traction control?  Does it take longer than that to kick in?  (Mine is an 08 abs with no TC)


Yes but it wouldnt be applicable to this kind of traction loss. I wish!!


The KTRAC is for the rear wheel slipping upon acceleration. 


ETA: Attaching the pictures for future searches when my image links are gone.

Are those pics to show the chicken strips, or almost large enough to be called chicken fillets?  :D

All kidding aside. Ive never seen that kind of harsh wear on a michelin. Those pics are a definite deciding factor for me, no Angel GT. If I change, Ill follow Cliffs recommendation and try Avon's. 31 sets of tires is a thorough test of a product.




Those 1/8th inch stripes are very intentional. :great:


Well, let me remind you of a couple of things on these pictures.  The bike was loaded down pretty well, theres was some two-up riding and I pushed them pretty hard in the corners.  Thats why I slid.  Considering the weight of the bike for 6000 miles, they are pretty well worn.  Also, I rode through a ton ( 20 miles ) of fresh road asphalt and you are seeing some of that on the sides of the tires.  It took me several miles to ride far enough to get that crap off my tires before I could get back up to highway speed.


I've been riding a long time and I couldnt be more happy with the tires and their condition at this point.  Though I was surprised the FRONT is down to the wear bars before the rear. But, I did a LOT of riding on the edges.

Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: Sailor_chic on January 19, 2017, 03:20:19 pm
Hey JTX - or anyone else - just thought of this.  Doesn't your year have traction control?  Does it take longer than that to kick in?  (Mine is an 08 abs with no TC)


Yes but it wouldnt be applicable to this kind of traction loss. I wish!!


The KTRAC is for the rear wheel slipping upon acceleration. 


ETA: Attaching the pictures for future searches when my image links are gone.

Are those pics to show the chicken strips, or almost large enough to be called chicken fillets?  :D

All kidding aside. Ive never seen that kind of harsh wear on a michelin. Those pics are a definite deciding factor for me, no Angel GT. If I change, Ill follow Cliffs recommendation and try Avon's. 31 sets of tires is a thorough test of a product.




Those 1/8th inch stripes are very intentional. :great:


  Also, I rode through a ton ( 20 miles ) of fresh road asphalt and you are seeing some of that on the sides of the tires.



Yep, thats why they're called CHICKEN strips!

Im seeing in your pics missing rubber chunking out of the tires, not asphalt buildup.
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: JTX on January 19, 2017, 03:23:54 pm
Hey JTX - or anyone else - just thought of this.  Doesn't your year have traction control?  Does it take longer than that to kick in?  (Mine is an 08 abs with no TC)


Yes but it wouldnt be applicable to this kind of traction loss. I wish!!


The KTRAC is for the rear wheel slipping upon acceleration. 


ETA: Attaching the pictures for future searches when my image links are gone.

Are those pics to show the chicken strips, or almost large enough to be called chicken fillets?  :D

All kidding aside. Ive never seen that kind of harsh wear on a michelin. Those pics are a definite deciding factor for me, no Angel GT. If I change, Ill follow Cliffs recommendation and try Avon's. 31 sets of tires is a thorough test of a product.




Those 1/8th inch stripes are very intentional. :great:


  Also, I rode through a ton ( 20 miles ) of fresh road asphalt and you are seeing some of that on the sides of the tires.



Yep, thats why they're called CHICKEN strips!

Im seeing in your pics missing rubber chunking out of the tires, not asphalt buildup.




I'm not seeing what you see apparently.  What picture, and what section of the tire?
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: rrsperry on January 19, 2017, 09:10:34 pm
I just installed a set of Angels today. Even took it for a short ride.  It feels sooooo much better than the stock 021's. I really think a class action suit against Kawasaki for putting those horrible tires on a bike.

Stock tires had 1654 miles since I bought the bike new in Aug. They will get not 1 mile more.
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: JTX on January 19, 2017, 09:12:23 pm
I just installed a set of Angels today. Even took it for a short ride.  It feels sooooo much better than the stock 021's. I really think a class action suit against Kawasaki for putting those horrible tires on a bike.




 :D




What struck me immediately, was, how well it turned vs the 021s I had. I turned and almost turned too far!
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: rrsperry on January 19, 2017, 09:42:31 pm
That was my impression too.
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: gsun on January 20, 2017, 03:18:26 am
I tried Michelin once. This is the weird wear after about half the tread life. They felt squirrelly so I took them off and went back to Angels. Never stray again.

(http://i1038.photobucket.com/albums/a463/gsun2/TireWear2_zpsfa1f0d0d.jpg)

(http://i1038.photobucket.com/albums/a463/gsun2/TireWear_zpsd695520e.jpg)
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: JTX on January 20, 2017, 01:26:04 pm
I tried Michelin once. This is the weird wear after about half the tread life. They felt squirrelly so I took them off and went back to Angels. Never stray again.








It looks like they couldnt handle the torque very well.....  There was some of this on the Angels, but it was mild compared to that.
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: Pbfoot on January 20, 2017, 01:52:22 pm
Have any of you tried the Dunlop Sportmax Roadsmart 2? 8/32 rear tread depth.
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: angelo on January 21, 2017, 02:58:45 am
I tried Michelin once. This is the weird wear after about half the tread life. They felt squirrelly so I took them off and went back to Angels. Never stray again.

That does look weird.  On my 3rd set of PR4's on this bike and 2 on another.  Never saw that before.  I'd quit after that too!  Only thing I have seen is some of the sipes on the front looking a little raised when worn.  SO far, my front to back ratio has been nearly 2:1.  Not quite, but close. 
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: ghostrider990 on January 21, 2017, 11:32:46 pm
I had that same weird wear on the PR4's I bought, and road fully loaded for 5K miles.

I've had similar odd scallpoing with the Angel SpecA's, but only when I ride two up for long distances.
I mostly attribute this to bad suspension settings, as I am not good with setup.

The Pirellis handle it better than the michelins for sure, and I still like the way the Pirellis feel and handle overall.

gr
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: gsun on January 22, 2017, 03:48:54 am
Never had that with the Angels. Don't ride two up.
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: DennyD on February 02, 2017, 05:47:01 pm
Dang it, I was all ready to buy PR4s and ya tawked me into Angel GTs.  Less than $300, I was happy about that as well!
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: JTX on February 02, 2017, 06:10:07 pm
Their prices make the perelli a no brainer IMO.
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: KevinRLI on February 12, 2017, 04:26:04 pm
I had the PR4s on my bike for about 4000 miles and hated them. When I had my little drop and it was in the shop I had them toss the PR4s and put Angels back on it. I'll never trust my a** to anything else again.
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: seagiant1 on February 12, 2017, 05:06:48 pm
Hi,
       After studying suspension,watching vids and talking to people about the C14.... :o

I can not help but wonder, if a lot of tire wear problems, are more related to the OEM suspension. :-X

Than to different, makes/brands/models, of tires???? :(

Just sayin??? ;D
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: JTX on February 12, 2017, 05:08:34 pm
Hi,
       After studying suspension,watching vids and talking to people about the C14.... :o

I can not help but wonder, if a lot of tire wear problems, are more related to the OEM suspension. :-X

Than to different, makes/brands/models, of tires???? :(

Just sayin??? ;D






It's a fair question.  Though I'm not sure you could ever really prove it either way.



Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: mattchewn on February 12, 2017, 09:49:21 pm
Actually,
It would be pretty easy for someone to prove.
All they have to do is ride for several sets of tires on stock suspension in their normal stomping grounds. Then they buy new tires and better suspension and repeat same as before. 4 sets of tires each way should give conclusive evidence on tire wear.
Shouldn't take more than a couple years!
Matt
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: JTX on February 12, 2017, 11:09:07 pm
Actually,
It would be pretty easy for someone to prove.
All they have to do is ride for several sets of tires on stock suspension in their normal stomping grounds. Then they buy new tires and better suspension and repeat same as before. 4 sets of tires each way should give conclusive evidence on tire wear.
Shouldn't take more than a couple years!
Matt


HA!  Yeah I suppose if you went the same way every time!


Pass.  I'll simply say that I have proof these tires saved me in the video !  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: gpd323 on February 18, 2017, 10:13:26 pm
I had the PR4s on my bike for about 4000 miles and hated them. When I had my little drop and it was in the shop I had them toss the PR4s and put Angels back on it. I'll never trust my a** to anything else again.

Me too, hated the PR4's. I like the Angel GT's but I go through them too fast, The Avon 3DXM's feel just like the GT's but wear twice as long.
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: gpd323 on February 18, 2017, 10:24:16 pm
Hi,
       After studying suspension,watching vids and talking to people about the C14.... :o

I can not help but wonder, if a lot of tire wear problems, are more related to the OEM suspension. :-X

Than to different, makes/brands/models, of tires???? :(

Just sayin??? ;D

I think if you tracked the C14 yes suspension would play a part, but street riding I doubt has an effect. Now rider habits like grabbing a fist full all the time, grabbing the brakes all the time and generally having rough inputs would have an effect on tire wear. I ride the pace, so quick, but not abrupt on the throttle or brakes. I do like to drive into corners so I do wear the front tire more than most.
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: JTX on February 18, 2017, 10:30:59 pm
Hi,
       After studying suspension,watching vids and talking to people about the C14.... :o

I can not help but wonder, if a lot of tire wear problems, are more related to the OEM suspension. :-X

Than to different, makes/brands/models, of tires???? :(

Just sayin??? ;D

I think if you tracked the C14 yes suspension would play a part, but street riding I doubt has an effect. Now rider habits like grabbing a fist full all the time, grabbing the brakes all the time and generally having rough inputs would have an effect on tire wear. I ride the pace, so quick, but not abrupt on the throttle or brakes. I do like to drive into corners so I do wear the front tire more than most.




Considering what I did on this trip to these tires, they were spectacular and I'm a lifer.


I even went off road in the dirt for 12 miles up a mountainside and they never missed a beat.
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: Rusty on February 18, 2017, 11:54:48 pm
Would you recommend the Front and Rear "A " Spec  Angel GT's or are the regular GT's just fine? Thinking about trying the Angel GT's but I just love my Michelin's PR 4 GT's...Need to replace the front after more than 9K miles and I still have plenty of tread left on rear tire after 4500 miles. Have read enough comments to at least try the Angels. Price is lower than the PR 4's also.
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: JTX on February 18, 2017, 11:56:04 pm
Would you recommend the Front and Rear "A " Spec  Angel GT's or are the regular GT's just fine? Thinking about trying the Angel GT's but I just love my Michelin's PR 4 GT's...Need to replace the front after more than 9K miles and I still have plenty of tread left on rear tire after 4500 miles. Have read enough comments to at least try the Angels. Price is lower than the PR 4's also.


A Spec only applies to the rear.  The front is the same tire anywhere.



Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: mattchewn on February 19, 2017, 12:07:24 am
Would you recommend the Front and Rear "A " Spec  Angel GT's or are the regular GT's just fine? Thinking about trying the Angel GT's but I just love my Michelin's PR 4 GT's...Need to replace the front after more than 9K miles and I still have plenty of tread left on rear tire after 4500 miles. Have read enough comments to at least try the Angels. Price is lower than the PR 4's also.


A Spec only applies to the rear.  The front is the same tire anywhere.
Actually there is an "A" spec available for the front also. Slightly increased load range is the difference. Stiffer carcass.
Matt
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: JTX on February 19, 2017, 12:08:20 am
Would you recommend the Front and Rear "A " Spec  Angel GT's or are the regular GT's just fine? Thinking about trying the Angel GT's but I just love my Michelin's PR 4 GT's...Need to replace the front after more than 9K miles and I still have plenty of tread left on rear tire after 4500 miles. Have read enough comments to at least try the Angels. Price is lower than the PR 4's also.


A Spec only applies to the rear.  The front is the same tire anywhere.
Actually there is an "A" spec available for the front also. Slightly increased load range is the difference. Stiffer carcass.
Matt


Oh no kidding. I never saw it listed anywhere.
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: mattchewn on February 19, 2017, 12:10:19 am
JTX,
Revzilla lists them for the Connie sizes.  Just checked it cuz I was sure there was actually a front available.
Matt
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: JTX on February 19, 2017, 12:14:42 am
JTX,
Revzilla lists them for the Connie sizes.  Just checked it cuz I was sure there was actually a front available.
Matt


I never noticed. Checked it now.


I probably would have went that route if I would have seen it. 


Considering I'm going to need a FRONT tire first, I will go with the A spec front this time, before my road trip next year for sure.
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: ghostrider990 on February 20, 2017, 11:52:23 pm
I'm just nearing 5k miles on the Spec A's, and getting the same odd scalloping, particularly in the rear, but plenty of tread with LOTS
of hard acceleration.

Anybody seen any good deals on SpecA's anywhere?
Checked REVZILLA last night, and looks like $200 for a 190/55, and $140 for the front.

 :popcorn:

gr
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: JTX on February 20, 2017, 11:53:46 pm
I'm just nearing 5k miles on the Spec A's, and getting the same odd scalloping, particularly in the rear, but plenty of tread with LOTS
of hard acceleration.

Anybody seen any good deals on SpecA's anywhere?
Checked REVZILLA last night, and looks like $200 for a 190/55, and $140 for the front.

 :popcorn:

gr


Not bad if you are riding that way.


I don't do a lot of hard accel.  Unless you count exiting corners.



Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: ghostrider990 on February 21, 2017, 12:56:37 am
I don't do a lot of hard accel.  Unless you count exiting corners.
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How can you NOT?!?!  :beerchug:
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: JTX on February 21, 2017, 12:58:28 am
I don't do a lot of hard accel.  Unless you count exiting corners.

How can you NOT?!?!  :beerchug:



Don't have much need to.  During some quick passing needs on back roads yes, but I'm pretty gentle with it otherwise.  I tend to 'lean' on the side of tire conservation on 700+LB bikes.



Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: mattchewn on February 21, 2017, 01:11:07 pm
Tire conservation? What the heck is that?
How does it work on a C14 rocketsled?
Please explain further.     :rotflmao:

Matt
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: JTX on February 21, 2017, 01:14:04 pm
:)   the twisty thing in your right hand....  Dont twist it as far as it will go all the time
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: mattchewn on February 21, 2017, 01:15:33 pm
Do you have some specially machined stop thing for it?   :nananana:
Matt
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: JTX on February 21, 2017, 01:35:39 pm
haha.  Yah its my wallet. 
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: ghostrider990 on February 23, 2017, 10:58:39 pm
We all ride different, and without being disparaging to thos with a less than heavy throttle hand.....

Tires are disposable commodities.
I used to worry about conserving them - but now I favor Use Em up, and get a new set. :great:
What's better than a fresh set of Skins on the old girl to make you fall in love ALL OVER again!?!  :)

....besides more Farkles!!......  >:D

gr
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: mattchewn on February 23, 2017, 10:59:46 pm
We all ride different, and without being disparaging to thos with a less than heavy throttle hand.....

Tires are disposable commodities.
I used to worry about conserving them - but now I favor Use Em up, and get a new set. :great:
What's better than a fresh set of Skins on the old girl to make you fall in love ALL OVER again!?!  :)

gr

HEHEHE,
I'm with him!

Matt
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: ghostrider990 on February 23, 2017, 11:00:26 pm
Damn Matt....that was FAST!

see the Edit.
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: mattchewn on February 23, 2017, 11:02:26 pm
Jeez,
I'm getting slow. That took 67 seconds!
Matt
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: JTX on February 23, 2017, 11:13:17 pm
We all ride different, and without being disparaging to thos with a less than heavy throttle hand.....

Tires are disposable commodities.
I used to worry about conserving them - but now I favor Use Em up, and get a new set. :great:
What's better than a fresh set of Skins on the old girl to make you fall in love ALL OVER again!?!  :)

....besides more Farkles!!......  >:D

gr




Being 2000 miles from home, is why, for me.


And, a wake-up call when I nearly lowsided pushing it too hard.
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: Grendel on February 24, 2017, 05:51:45 am
On a different note - this is exactly why I always have the TPMS on the dash when sport riding.  Hard throttle on apex, rear end squirrels out.  In the old days I'd wonder nice save or is it going flat?  Quick look down between turns and you know the air is fine and you just showed some skill - or got lucky - or both!

Better lucky than good any day.  All the skill in the world won't save you when it's your time.
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: mattchewn on February 24, 2017, 12:12:14 pm
On a different note - this is exactly why I always have the TPMS on the dash when sport riding.  Hard throttle on apex, rear end squirrels out.  In the old days I'd wonder nice save or is it going flat?  Quick look down between turns and you know the air is fine and you just showed some skill - or got lucky - or both!

Better lucky than good any day.  All the skill in the world won't save you when it's your time.

Or the traction control light is flashing!   :nananana:

Matt
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: GIant81 on February 25, 2017, 01:55:49 am
Being a 300lb rider single up on a C14, even without cargo we weigh over 900lb.

I'm thinking I'm looking for A spec if I want to get any sort of reasonable mileage out of a new set of tires.

My Michelin PRt2's are getting awfully squared off.
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: Zarticus on February 25, 2017, 04:10:05 am
Being a 300lb rider single up on a C14, even without cargo we weigh over 900lb.

I'm thinking I'm looking for A spec if I want to get any sort of reasonable mileage out of a new set of tires.

My Michelin PRt2's are getting awfully squared off.
I just got A spec front & rear delivered with free shipping from Jake Wilson, $303.00  :beerchug:
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: seagiant1 on February 28, 2017, 10:42:17 am
Being a 300lb rider single up on a C14, even without cargo we weigh over 900lb.

I'm thinking I'm looking for A spec if I want to get any sort of reasonable mileage out of a new set of tires.

My Michelin PRt2's are getting awfully squared off.

Hi,
        Yea, take the time to find the "A" Specs (front and rear) :great:

I got mine from Revzilla, prices seem to go up and down,place to place??? ;D >:D >:D >:D
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: Rod on March 24, 2017, 09:55:52 pm
7000 miles on my rear Pirelli a spec.I thought it did not grip as well as my Pr2.Although when it did break loose it was pridictable .We ride the twisties a lot.The older the Pirelli got the better it gripped though.FYI i weigh 300 lb.Putting a new set of Pirelli  GT A spec on now.Will give a full report when i have rode them some.
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report ( UPDATE now 6900 miles )
Post by: JTX on May 21, 2017, 04:54:37 pm
..so I just got back from a ride in Arkansas and after this trip I ended up with 6900 on the Angel GT's and they are officially DONE.


I'm very happy with almost 7K and Will be replacing them with A spec FRONT ( This time ) and rear.


I could have gone a bit more on the back, but as you can see its done in the center and almost to the metal.


The front?  WHAT Wear bars! :-\


I wore them right off.  The last 100 miles on these tires back to the motel were pretty squirmy on the sides, but never lost control or got too unsettled but I did have to dial it back.  That last 100 miles was in the rain so traction was not what it would have been on dry roads.


Over all very good tires. And will be ordering up a new set soon and testing the NOMAR.






(http://i.imgur.com/pjt7Ovc.jpg)


(http://i.imgur.com/9u2RboL.jpg)




Rear


(http://i.imgur.com/EEPAITj.jpg)




(http://i.imgur.com/4Rp0GQW.jpg)


(http://i.imgur.com/XPkiD72.jpg)

Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: Sailor_chic on May 21, 2017, 04:59:37 pm
Nice chicken strips steaks!
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: JTX on May 21, 2017, 05:00:50 pm
Nice chicken strips steaks!


I never ride to the edge on the street.  I value my non broken ribs  ;D ;D
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: Robby1953 on May 21, 2017, 10:29:33 pm
OEM Bridgestones 7500 miles toast, Angel GT A specs 14,000 finally coming off before National, still lots of tread just flat from slabbing on interstates. Rode the first set of Angels to Cotex from Illinois in '15 and then to Helen last year won't make trip from New York to Missouri 2000 miles round trip.   :motonoises:
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: seagiant1 on May 21, 2017, 10:56:16 pm
Hi,
        Thanks! :great:

Sounds good to me! ;D

I only got 5000 out of the OEM Stones!!! :truce:
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: Deepsea on June 13, 2017, 12:02:25 am
Dunlop Q3 with 5100 hard miles. Suspension makes a huge difference in tire wear. Ohlins front and rear.
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: gpd323 on September 14, 2017, 11:56:06 pm
Angel GT's, 3000 miles and they are toast. Used them before and the last 3 sets were the Avon 3DXM's which lasted 6K miles at least on the front. Reason I went back to the GT's is I had some Jake Bucks and a 40 dollar rebate so they cost me 199 shipped.

Next set is going to be the Dunlop Road-smarts. If I don't like them I'll try the Metzlers
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: JTX on September 14, 2017, 11:58:43 pm
Must be my speeds were way less than yours as I got nearly 7000 out of them.  I ran them at 40PSI
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: KevinRLI on September 15, 2017, 10:13:10 am
I just replaced my set of Angels at 9000 miles with about another 1000 miles of tread on them. Heading away on a trip and didn't want to chance it. Another set of fresh Angels on there now.
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: JTX on September 17, 2017, 09:33:34 pm
I just replaced my set of Angels at 9000 miles with about another 1000 miles of tread on them. Heading away on a trip and didn't want to chance it. Another set of fresh Angels on there now.


Were they A Spec Front/rear?


My rear was A spec, front was not.  This time around I'm going A spec on both.
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: Bruiser on September 18, 2017, 03:06:38 am
I ordered a set of Angels last month from Bike Bandit. Price was $245 for front and rear. After I placed the order, I noticed they were STs, not GTs. Oh well, the price was right so am now running these. Will update as they age.
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: seagiant1 on September 18, 2017, 09:16:56 am
Dunlop Q3 with 5100 hard miles. Suspension makes a huge difference in tire wear. Ohlins front and rear.

Hi,
       I have the same, (Ohlin's) and... >:D

Started a thread on "tire savings", running better suspension... :-[

Sort of as a joke, but???? ;D

Everything helps I guess! :great:
Title: Re: 6000 mi Perrelli Angel GT report
Post by: KevinRLI on September 18, 2017, 11:35:54 am
I just replaced my set of Angels at 9000 miles with about another 1000 miles of tread on them. Heading away on a trip and didn't want to chance it. Another set of fresh Angels on there now.


Were they A Spec Front/rear?


My rear was A spec, front was not.  This time around I'm going A spec on both.

Both A Spec