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Re: Am I Off My Rocker???
« Reply #25 on: April 25, 2017, 05:03:41 pm »
I see mention of the Angel GT's in "A" Spec.
Can anyone explain the "A" Spec?

I was planning to buy the Angels next, but thought I was getting the GT only..
Wasn't aware the "A" spec was better??

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Re: Am I Off My Rocker???
« Reply #26 on: April 25, 2017, 06:08:00 pm »
Ted,
The GT designation on the Michelin is for the heavier casing for heavier ST bikes. The "A Spec" designation is the same thing only on the Pirelli Angel GT's
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Re: Am I Off My Rocker???
« Reply #27 on: April 25, 2017, 06:15:55 pm »
Matt, care to comment on the merits of a suspension upgrade? >:D  I know for you, there will be no savings on tires.   :)
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Re: Am I Off My Rocker???
« Reply #28 on: April 25, 2017, 06:34:07 pm »
Don't do it!!   You'll go through tires even faster!   :motonoises: :motonoises:
I haven't seen any tire life over 4500 miles since my first set of tires on my '12. Damn she rides so nice though! It is just not right to ride slow and easy!
Having a well set up suspension makes running these big bikes hard in the corners akin to a high speed metal rollercoaster ride. What a thrill to experience every single corner.  The stock suspension is way to sloppy and poorly damped to give this sensation.
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Re: Am I Off My Rocker???
« Reply #29 on: April 26, 2017, 01:46:01 am »
Just so we're clear, I am in NO WAY advocating NOT upgrading something - suspension, tires, driveline, whatever.


You do what makes YOU happy - if that means new suspension, then go for it! Plus I've enjoyed reading about the problems being solved here.

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Re: Am I Off My Rocker???
« Reply #30 on: April 26, 2017, 11:11:17 pm »
2 1/2 years ago I bought a '09 KLR 650. This was after my purchase of a '12 C14 and a lot of riding and forking including a Traxxion/Penske setup on the C14. I paid 3500 for the KLR with 2200 miles on it. Looked like new. Immediately I sneezed it through my basement door and proceeded to hang it from the basement ceiling in order to allow removal of damn near everything. Sent the forks and shocks to Dan at Traxxion for the full workup. Spent hundreds and hundreds of dollars in add-ons and upgrades including D4 Hybrid LED lights, new Heidenau tires and tubes, SW Motech crash bars, (they got used the same day the bike came out of the basement!), luggage and pannier racks, Galfer big brake kit and I can't even remember all of it. Lots of motor mods and upgrades for reliability not power gains. Sold the bike 6 months later with only another 1500 miles on it and bought a KTM 690 Enduro R and started the same process all over. Didn't have to do the suspension since the KTM has a light years ahead better factory setup. I enjoy my bikes to the fullest and I want them the way I want them. I will happily spend the time and money required to make them EXACTLY how I want them to ride and perform overall. NO REGRETS!
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Re: Am I Off My Rocker???
« Reply #31 on: April 27, 2017, 04:13:08 pm »
PS...nothing you've said enables us to determine if you're off your rocker, SG...  :nananana:

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Re: Am I Off My Rocker???
« Reply #32 on: April 27, 2017, 04:15:58 pm »
Anyway, if he was, it would be far better to be off your rocker and off your bike.  :)
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Re: Am I Off My Rocker???
« Reply #33 on: February 26, 2018, 05:44:00 pm »
I know the mileage I got out of my all of my tires and have photos of the wear patterns. I upgraded at 50,000 miles to the Traxxion AK20/Penske rear and put new tires on at the same time.  I'm interested in this topic as well. Hopefully I remember this thread and can report back with my results.  I'm hoping for an improvement too.  I know the upgraded suspension keeps the tires planted in corners with washboards, so I'm thinking that alone will help wear patterns.
I'm reporting back on this topic.  I ran 8400 miles with a new set of PR4 GT's and the new suspension.  I had the previous set of tires for comparison.  The rear gave up at about the same mileage.  The front tire had more tread and some life left on the wear bars. The most noticeable difference was less cupping.  So, I don't think the new suspension will pay for it's self by having to buy less tires.   You might like your front tire for more miles is my experience.   ::)
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Re: Am I Off My Rocker???
« Reply #34 on: February 26, 2018, 06:15:20 pm »
Um,    Uh,    crap, now I have to go back to read the original question. I looked at the pic's and lost my train of thought.


I have Ohlins on the front and rear of my 09 C14. You will never recoup the cost by saving on tires. The upgraded suspension will make/let/encourage/demand that you ride harder. I get on average 6k miles from the rear Q3+ and 7.5k on the front. That's about the same as before the suspension changes but I do rider it harder now also. I've also raised the back end 44mm to quicken the steering. That alone made the FatNinja feel like it lost 150lb.


For the really tall guys this could help a lot since the Ohlins forks are 1 inch (ish) taller. You can raise both ends and lower the pegs without loosing any clearance or changing the front end geometry.
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Re: Am I Off My Rocker???
« Reply #35 on: March 04, 2018, 02:11:54 am »
Hi,
        I had a thought about, Penny Wise And Pound Foolish"!

The C14 has shown it's self from day one, I think from feedback from owners, to EAT tires????

On the other end of the equation, while doing my research into upgraded suspension...

I have heard from SEVERAL reliable sources, including the owner, of Traxxion Dynamics...

That better suspension, creates better, even, tire wear on your tire, and consequently, you get more miles!

Ok, Here's where the, rubber hits the highway...

If I spend (for example) $2500, for better suspension, on my C14...

How long till, I make my money back, on $350 a set tires???? :-[

It will take you a good long while to pay for that suspension upgrade in extra tire wear. Just having the suspension dialed in by someone who knows what they are doing offers more value in my opinion.

Where you ride also has a greater effect on tire wear than the suspension will ( again my opinion ). I have NEVER gotten the same HIGH mileage some people report out of tires.
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Re: Am I Off My Rocker???
« Reply #36 on: March 04, 2018, 07:17:23 am »
Dragunslayer,


I agree with what you say, mostly. The stock suspension when properly setup is Adequate, if you ride on the touring side of sport/touring. Otherwise it's abilities are limited. Yes upgraded suspension is expensive and tire savings will never catch up to that cost. If you ride as hard as some here do then it is well worth the price. Personal choice, IMHO.


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Re: Am I Off My Rocker???
« Reply #37 on: March 04, 2018, 09:16:24 pm »
Tire life may increase a small amount, but you'll never get your money back. Period!

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Re: Am I Off My Rocker???
« Reply #38 on: March 05, 2018, 01:02:04 am »
I'm wondering if the naysayers on suspension upgrades ever rode a bike with an upgrade from the stock suspension?  If you did drop the coin and then say it wasn't worth the money or effort, that would be something to understand.  I think SG and others who have done upgrades, find it was worthwhile in terms of ride quality and cornering. It's not a placebo effect.   I totally get it that not everyone has the funds to do it.  Trying to win back the cost of suspension by buying fewer tires I admit is a stretch!

It is a great question and one I asked myself last year for my 2012. I am not a super aggressive rider but do like to have fun and also like to be comfortable and planted on the interstate. I did not have the funds to go the full bore Penske rear and Traxxion AK20 set up. So here’s what I did and it’s been fantastic:  on a recommendation from a friend in the UK who has a GTR1400, I ordered a Nitron R1 rear shock and sent my forks to Dan at Traxxion for their Axxion valve and spring upgrade.  Cost for both was $1300 and the best money I’ve ever spent. The bike feels so much more planted in the twisties but is a magic carpet ride on the highway.  Definitely more composed than OEM.  I think this might be a good alternative for folks who can’t drop $2500-$3000 on suspension upgrades.  For me it is the perfect set up - I am 6’3” tall and 240 pounds.

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Re: Am I Off My Rocker???
« Reply #39 on: March 06, 2018, 10:41:24 am »
Hi,
        I had a thought about, Penny Wise And Pound Foolish"!

The C14 has shown it's self from day one, I think from feedback from owners, to EAT tires????

On the other end of the equation, while doing my research into upgraded suspension...

I have heard from SEVERAL reliable sources, including the owner, of Traxxion Dynamics...

That better suspension, creates better, even, tire wear on your tire, and consequently, you get more miles!

Ok, Here's where the, rubber hits the highway...

If I spend (for example) $2500, for better suspension, on my C14...

How long till, I make my money back, on $350 a set tires???? :-[




I got almost 7000 miles out of Angel GTs last time. 


I was not heavy on the throttle in the straights and kept speeds below 75 most of the time.


Tire longevity has everything to do with your RPM levels on this scooter and not the suspension.

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Re: Am I Off My Rocker???
« Reply #40 on: March 06, 2018, 12:45:42 pm »
"Tire longevity has everything to do with your RPM levels on this scooter and not the suspension"

Sorry but I beg to differ, somewhat. After upgrading both ends I ride my C14 considerable harder both on the road and at the track while getting very close to the same tire life with more even wear. Yes slow and easy will give longer life, usually. But the C14 IMHO wasn't designed for slow and easy.

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Re: Am I Off My Rocker???
« Reply #41 on: March 06, 2018, 12:57:50 pm »
Its very subjective and hard to prove either way.  But from what I've seen on here I'll stick to my observation.

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Re: Am I Off My Rocker???
« Reply #42 on: March 06, 2018, 03:01:09 pm »
I am thinking this has less to do with savings on tire wear one more with justification of money spent on the suspension you really want.  :nananana: :motonoises: :rotflmao:
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