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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #25 on: December 08, 2016, 11:56:11 am »
Lee,
"A" spec are a little stiffer carcass to deal with the extra weight of a sport tourer better. Supposedly will last longer as well. In my experience they last longer on the rim since they are incredibly more difficult to get off the rim!  I did really like the way they handled on my bike though. Rode well, cornered like being on rails, very pleased with results. Since I ride harder than the majority I consistently see (sometimes much) , shorter life expectancy from my tires. I happily trade virtually flawless performance for a few less miles of wear. I like the rubber side down thing far more.
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Michelin also has an "A"  spec it is called the "GT" IIRC.
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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #26 on: December 08, 2016, 12:25:21 pm »
How do you know if you have an "A spec" tire?
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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #27 on: December 08, 2016, 12:57:30 pm »
PR4GT here as well, great tire so far.  Haven't tried the Angel's.....
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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #28 on: December 08, 2016, 04:26:13 pm »
It is marked on the tire with a large "A" after the Angel GT.
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Just went and looked.

Also on the sticker when you take delivery of one.
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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #29 on: December 08, 2016, 06:26:52 pm »
What are "A spec" Angels?

"A" specs are built with an extra layer (as I understand), to accommodate heavier sport touring bikes, and those who ride 2-up often.
I am running an A spec rear on my 2013, and am VERY pleased after 2500 miles. The difference from the stock skins is amazing.
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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #30 on: December 08, 2016, 07:56:19 pm »
. I like the rubber side down thing far more.
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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #31 on: December 08, 2016, 08:02:44 pm »
. I like the rubber side down thing far more.
Matt

Hi,
        Hmmm.......That's not the way I heard it! ;D ;D ;D >:D >:D >:D
Well Greg,
It's kinda like this;
 I tried the whole rubber side up thing, once, in 2012. Apparently, I wasn't completely sure I didn't like it. So, After a year and a half recovery followed by 3 plus years of more riding I tried it again. I had to give it a fair shake y'know! That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
It aint all it's cracked up to be though. I am pretty convinced at this point!   :truce:

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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #32 on: December 09, 2016, 05:42:05 am »

 I tried the whole rubber side up thing, once, in 2012. Apparently, I wasn't completely sure I didn't like it.
So, After a year and a half recovery followed by 3 plus years of more riding I tried it again. I had to give it a fair shake y'know!
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.  It aint all it's cracked up to be though. I am pretty convinced at this point!   :truce:

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D*mn good light-hearted summary, Matt.   :beerchug:
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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #33 on: December 09, 2016, 03:16:46 pm »
Angel GT's all the way. I have used both tires you ask about. The PR4's suck! They make the bike steer really slow and they are mushy feeling. Cupped big time at 4K miles, hated them so much removed them at 4K miles and gave them away.

You say mileage is not a concern, OK then. The Angel GT's got me 3K miles in front before it was toast, I installed a new front and at 6K miles both tires front and the rear were gone.

The turn in is superior to the PR4's, the difference in handling is night and day.

But, since my rides can be longer than 3K miles and because I don't want to limp home on a thrashed front tire I have stated running the Avon 3DXM and I can get 6K out of a front and still have some rubber left to get me home.

The Avon Storms handle just like the Angels but the mileage I get out of them is twice compared to the Angel GT. Not going to run anything except the Avon's from now on.

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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #34 on: December 09, 2016, 03:25:43 pm »
I want some mileage, and that's why I've liked the PR4GTs.  Makes me wonder if I should try the Avons. 
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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #35 on: December 09, 2016, 03:35:08 pm »
Lee,
I usually see 4500 plus of relatively hard running with the front able to go 6k. My best while getting used to the new bike was 8k on the rear and still had life on the front. I miss those days...
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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #36 on: December 09, 2016, 04:04:55 pm »
I seek out corners on my trips, lots of corners so thats why I run out of tire so fast. The Avon Storms are the only tire that will take me out and back again with tread to spare. I really liked the Angel GT's but the wear too fast for my type of riding.

This is hwy 96 in Northern California and you can get an idea of my riding style. I do leave some traction circle left just in case. The PACE!

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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #37 on: December 09, 2016, 06:57:27 pm »
Mine doesn't seem to be an "A-spec".
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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #38 on: December 09, 2016, 07:28:45 pm »
Lee,
The "A" spec is listed separately when you purchase. They are also a few bucks more than the non A version.
Side by side you can feel the difference in the sidewall stiffness. It is not an insignificant or slight difference.
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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #39 on: December 09, 2016, 08:28:39 pm »
. I like the rubber side down thing far more.
Matt

Hi,
        Hmmm.......That's not the way I heard it! ;D ;D ;D >:D >:D >:D
Well Greg,
It's kinda like this;
 I tried the whole rubber side up thing, once, in 2012. Apparently, I wasn't completely sure I didn't like it. So, After a year and a half recovery followed by 3 plus years of more riding I tried it again. I had to give it a fair shake y'know! That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
It aint all it's cracked up to be though. I am pretty convinced at this point!   :truce:

Matt

Hi,
         Ha! Just ragin on ya, Amigo! ;D

I can't imagine dinging a C14 now a days! (I don't "bounce" as well as I used to!!!) :-[

Glad you made it out the other side "OK"! :great:

Loving those Angel GT's, you and Steve J, pointed me to! :motonoises:

I notice, they grip better than the OEM's, even though I got 5000 miles out of those! :truce:
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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #40 on: December 12, 2016, 12:57:27 pm »
Because who doesn't want another good tire debate? :deadhorse:

Which tires are better for an aggressive rider who doesn't need absolute max mileage. Anything over 5000 miles is fine with me. I have heard the PR4's are great all rounders, but do they have as much grip as the Angel GT? Do the Pirelli's have any hidden problems?
Not interested in any other tire choices, as it will be one of these two.
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I have 6000 miles on my Angel GTs.  A spec rear, and normal front.  Theres plenty of life left.  But not so much on the front edges.  It's to the wear bars.


After 6000 miles of everything from desert heat and snow on mountain tops, I'm a lifer with the Perelli Brand.


Plus they saved my Azz on highway 550 when the front end slid when I was going too fast  :-\
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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #41 on: December 13, 2016, 12:07:40 am »
Because who doesn't want another good tire debate? :deadhorse:

Which tires are better for an aggressive rider who doesn't need absolute max mileage. Anything over 5000 miles is fine with me. I have heard the PR4's are great all rounders, but do they have as much grip as the Angel GT? Do the Pirelli's have any hidden problems?
Not interested in any other tire choices, as it will be one of these two.
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I have 6000 miles on my Angel GTs.  A spec rear, and normal front.  Theres plenty of life left.  But not so much on the front edges.  It's to the wear bars.


After 6000 miles of everything from desert heat and snow on mountain tops, I'm a lifer with the Perelli Brand.


Plus they saved my Azz on highway 550 when the front end slid when I was going too fast  :-\

Hi,
       I think I'm with you! :beerchug:

The more I get on the Angel's, the better I like them! >:D

From my reading (research) and listening to people whose opinion I respect....

I don't really see buying anything else either! ::)

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Hard to beat!!! :great:
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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #42 on: December 13, 2016, 12:09:50 am »
Because who doesn't want another good tire debate? :deadhorse:

Which tires are better for an aggressive rider who doesn't need absolute max mileage. Anything over 5000 miles is fine with me. I have heard the PR4's are great all rounders, but do they have as much grip as the Angel GT? Do the Pirelli's have any hidden problems?
Not interested in any other tire choices, as it will be one of these two.
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I have 6000 miles on my Angel GTs.  A spec rear, and normal front.  Theres plenty of life left.  But not so much on the front edges.  It's to the wear bars.


After 6000 miles of everything from desert heat and snow on mountain tops, I'm a lifer with the Perelli Brand.


Plus they saved my Azz on highway 550 when the front end slid when I was going too fast  :-\

Hi,
       I think I'm with you! :beerchug:

The more I get on the Angel's, the better I like them! >:D

From my reading (research) and listening to people whose opinion I respect....

I don't really see buying anything else either! ::)

I bought mine at Revzilla  at a fair price, and they were on my front porch in 3 days! ;D

Hard to beat!!! :great:


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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #43 on: December 13, 2016, 11:12:32 am »
I want some mileage, and that's why I've liked the PR4GTs.  Makes me wonder if I should try the Avons.

I had just shy of 15k miles out my last set of Angel GTs
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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #44 on: December 13, 2016, 11:32:45 am »
I want some mileage, and that's why I've liked the PR4GTs.  Makes me wonder if I should try the Avons.

I had just shy of 15k miles out my last set of Angel GTs

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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #45 on: December 14, 2016, 05:39:02 am »
I figured since I started the thread I would jump back in it and report now that my riding season is over and the bike is tucked away for the winter in my heated garage.
I put about 9000km (5500miles) on the Angel GT A Specs this year, including some spirited riding to, from and at the National in Helen. I was 100% satisfied with them---they did everything I asked of them with no issues. I can probably get another 4000km (2500miles) out of them. I will ride on them from May until a week or so before the 2017 National and swap them out for a new set of exactly the same Angel GT A Specs. They are that good that I feel no desire to experiment.
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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #46 on: December 14, 2016, 10:54:24 am »
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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #47 on: December 14, 2016, 11:23:56 am »
I want some mileage, and that's why I've liked the PR4GTs.  Makes me wonder if I should try the Avons.

I had just shy of 15k miles out my last set of Angel GTs

Front and rear?

Yes

I think the exact mileage was 14656
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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #48 on: January 06, 2017, 04:35:51 pm »
Are all of you using the stock 190-50 size, oer have you used the 190-55? JUst asking because my new 16 ABS just feels like crap on the stock 021's.

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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #49 on: January 06, 2017, 06:04:20 pm »
Are all of you using the stock 190-50 size, oer have you used the 190-55? JUst asking because my new 16 ABS just feels like crap on the stock 021's.


OEM here.  Theres no practical reason to change the aspect.


The change to the OEM size to the Perelli Tires was massive in handling characteristics.