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Angel GT or PR4?
« on: March 09, 2016, 04:23:34 am »
Because who doesn't want another good tire debate? :deadhorse:

Which tires are better for an aggressive rider who doesn't need absolute max mileage. Anything over 5000 miles is fine with me. I have heard the PR4's are great all rounders, but do they have as much grip as the Angel GT? Do the Pirelli's have any hidden problems?
Not interested in any other tire choices, as it will be one of these two.
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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2016, 04:29:35 am »
I had the PR3's and the Angel GT's. The Angels are hands down better as far as I am concerned. Got some strange cupping with the PR's as well. Won't go back.
Some people prefer the PR's in the rain, but when it rains, I slow down anyway.

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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2016, 04:37:09 pm »
Ran a set of Angels and liked them; good confidence in curves.  No PR4 experience.

Changed Angels out early because of a piece of road debris.
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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2016, 07:15:07 pm »
Wow!!! Where did you pick up the debris? Can't be on any twisties, almost looks intentional.  >:(

+1 for Angel GTs (A-spec on rear, regular on front). No experience with PR4s but the way I ride twisties and commute, these are hands-down the tires I ride IMO.
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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2016, 08:02:19 pm »
Hi,
        Just put on some Angel GT's A Specs (front and rear) :o

Feel a LOT better than OEM,  and just now getting them broke in! :motonoises:

Bought them, because a couple of people here, with a lot more miles than me on two wheels, whispered ,"Angel GT's!" ;D >:D >:D >:D
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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2016, 08:48:33 pm »
I'm still on the original Bridgestones and don't find them offensive but would certainly like to have an improvement when they go. Can you explain what you mean when you say the Angel GT feels better? I know it is a subjective thing, just hoping for more information.
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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2016, 11:13:36 pm »
I love my PR4GT. I'm getting over 11k miles out of these tires.
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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2016, 11:47:05 pm »
I love my PR4GT. I'm getting over 11k miles out of these tires.

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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2016, 02:58:45 am »
I'm still on the original Bridgestones and don't find them offensive but would certainly like to have an improvement when they go. Can you explain what you mean when you say the Angel GT feels better? I know it is a subjective thing, just hoping for more information.

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        Unlike most, I didn't find the OEM's on my 2012 that bad, but what seems to have happened was there was so much crying about them on the 08,09 model C14's, that the tires were improved in 2010!

At 5500 miles the tires were toast and felt like the bike wanted to "fall in" a curve and was not confidence inspiring!

The Angels are completely 180 from that and I notice I am leaning into curves more at higher speed?

HTH's I'm not a racer or track day guy, I just get on the bike and try to do a little better on it than last time! ;D
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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2016, 10:56:47 am »
Throttle 8,
I have not run the Michelins. I have ridden on them on a C14 though. The Michelins are a very good tire as are the Pirelli Angels. I personally feel the Angels stick a little better in hard cornering than the Michelins, but the decider for me is that I consistently see uneven wear and cupping on the Michelins and I abuse my Angels regularly with no strange wear patterns through 4 sets now. I usually see between 4-6K of hard use on the Angels.
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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2016, 04:07:49 pm »
Throttle 8,
I have not run the Michelins. I have ridden on them on a C14 though. The Michelins are a very good tire as are the Pirelli Angels. I personally feel the Angels stick a little better in hard cornering than the Michelins, but the decider for me is that I consistently see uneven wear and cupping on the Michelins and I abuse my Angels regularly with no strange wear patterns through 4 sets now. I usually see between 4-6K of hard use on the Angels.
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        Well.....You just got it from the horses mouth!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2016, 10:44:32 pm »
Thanks  Matt! You just made my mind up for me. I knew I would get an answer on here from someone
 with my riding  style who had run both. Thanks to everyone for replying- neither tire would have been a wrong decision.
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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2016, 09:19:37 pm »
Just came back from and extended test of the Angel GT's. They did not disappoint. They stick fiercely in the corners, and the tip in is 1000% better than the stockers. I can't comment on the longevity yet, but every other aspect a vast improvement.
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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2016, 10:29:47 pm »
Hi,
      Thanks! :great:

Like I said!

Put a set on mine, still breaking them in! ;D

I did notice I don't "fall" into corners anymore! ::)
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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2016, 09:56:58 am »
2nd set of GTs on my `09.

1st set went pretty close to 15k miles.

I have no PR4 experience, but I do think the GT is better than the older PR2, FWIW...

For the price difference, I haven't even looked at the PR4 as a serious consideration
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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2016, 09:04:18 pm »
I am just rolling up 15000km on my Angel's (which was the mileage when the PR4's came off as front and rear were at the wear bars). I think I may see another 5000km. Angels are first tire I ever had that do not move on tar snakes.

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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2016, 05:29:28 am »
For the price the Angels are a much better deal IMO. Plus I like the mileage a I get outa them.
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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2016, 11:41:49 am »
Looking to replace my 17" rear tire on my C10. Was going to go with PR4GT but after reading this post thinking of going with Angel GT but found out the A Spec isn't available in 160 or 170 series. Is there much difference between the A spec and the normal one for two up riding and twisties solo? I like the look of the rain sipes on the PRs compared to the Angels. As mentioned I think the Angel would handle tar snakes and such better than the PR tread pattern in twisties. I'm running an Avon Storm ST. The Angel (non A spec) is about $30 bucks cheaper than the PR4GT.
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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #18 on: September 03, 2016, 11:50:38 pm »
Hi,
        Bob, one of the more experienced riders, that pointed me to the Angels, RIDES, a C10 if that helps??? :motonoises:
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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2016, 05:27:46 am »
Looking to replace my 17" rear tire on my C10. Was going to go with PR4GT but after reading this post thinking of going with Angel GT but found out the A Spec isn't available in 160 or 170 series. Is there much difference between the A spec and the normal one for two up riding and twisties solo? I like the look of the rain sipes on the PRs compared to the Angels. As mentioned I think the Angel would handle tar snakes and such better than the PR tread pattern in twisties. I'm running an Avon Storm ST. The Angel (non A spec) is about $30 bucks cheaper than the PR4GT.
Bob, ran Avons when I had my C10....great tire for a good price
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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2016, 10:25:57 pm »
I have two 09 C14s.  One has 4000 miles on a set or PR4s and the other around 2000 miles on a set of Angel GTs.  Both sets are at 42 psi.  Today I rode them back to back and noticed the following:

GT4s:  Straight line more stable than the Angels.  Takes more pressure to stay in the turn.  Seems to resist turning some.  Stands up more than the Angels when trail braking in the turn. 

Angels:  More neutral, falls more easily into turns and stays there better than PR4s.  Seem to have a softer ride than the PR4s. 

Personally I've really liked the PR4s having gone through two sets and getting 9000 miles of moderately aggressive riding and with a "touring" load.  They've also been fantastic in the rain.  I'll watch how the Angels wear and if they can get close to the PR4 in mileage I may be a convert. 

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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2016, 11:07:49 pm »
I have a '15 C14,

It came to me with PR4 GT's on it. In harder cornering it feels like I am squirming my way through the turn. This bike replaced a bike I rode over 20K on Angel GT's both standard and A spec exclusively after getting a puncture at 1000 miles on the 'stones. In another thread I have offered the PR4's free to a good home. They were taken right away. I will not be going back to them in the foreseeable future.
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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2016, 10:49:10 am »
I have a '15 C14,

It came to me with PR4 GT's on it. In harder cornering it feels like I am squirming my way through the turn. This bike replaced a bike I rode over 20K on Angel GT's both standard and A spec exclusively after getting a puncture at 1000 miles on the 'stones. In another thread I have offered the PR4's free to a good home. They were taken right away. I will not be going back to them in the foreseeable future.
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       That's funny! :-X

I know people here (and elsewhere)....

That think PR4's come straight from Heaven!!! ;D

Uh...Yea...Uh...I'm running Angel GT A Specs also! :great:
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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #23 on: December 08, 2016, 11:12:25 am »
I haven't run PR4s yet, but both of my C14s came with PR2s on them.

I've put Angel GTs on both and haven't ever thought about Michelin again.
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Re: Angel GT or PR4?
« Reply #24 on: December 08, 2016, 11:30:09 am »
What are "A spec" Angels? 
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