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CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
« on: April 26, 2017, 02:20:26 pm »
AH. good. Thanks.

As to the Pelican case. I realized it was a dumb question and then just did a google image search.
I decided to go with a small case (Pelican 1170) for tools and a flat kit since I don't like that big eskimo/dog house look back there (seems also to be dynamically unstable).

Goes off to search for tool kit thread.

Edit: after watching about 20 videos, I am absolutely going with that Dynaplug thingy. I don't see that there's an alternative that's even close. Now I only have to decide whether to carry a pump or some CO2 cartridges.
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Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2017, 06:35:50 pm »
The nice thing about a pump vs. CO2 is that as long as you have gasoline and can run the engine, you can generate power to run the pump.  With CO2, when you're used your last cartridge, you're done.
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Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2017, 09:15:20 pm »
yeah i just watched a guy put like 6 CO2's in his Diavel rear tire and get like 32 psi.
I am thinking bicycle pump. those things can go like 100 psi.

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Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2017, 10:40:45 pm »
I asked, too then found out it was in the owner's manual.

Thing about those bicycle pumps is not the pressure, it's the volume. LOTS of pumping right there, I'm thinking.
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Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2017, 11:18:04 pm »
Thing about those bicycle pumps is not the pressure, it's the volume. LOTS of pumping right there, I'm thinking.

+1

Bicycle tires have a tiny volume. You'll get Mr. Olympia arms before you get a full tire if you try using a portable bicycle pump on a 190 rear tire.

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Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2017, 11:23:26 pm »
Jeebus...
Just buy one of these and be done with it already.... ::) :-[ :-X :truce: :nananana:




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Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2017, 11:24:55 pm »
call in the next ten minutes and they'll double the offer..... :truce:

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Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2017, 11:37:45 pm »
Or the $12.99 one like I got at Autozone when I discovered a half flat tire on my car and didn't want to change it. Now I have a backup to my Slime one I keep on the bike.
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Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2017, 12:23:55 pm »
MOB--Are you saying you have one of these "Air Dragons"? If so, does it actually work as advertised or is it a piece of junk? I find it hard to believe it actually pumps up a car tire as quickly as the ad shows.
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Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2017, 01:08:15 pm »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1EOZwQzP7g

Air Dragon looks like some run-of-the-mill Chinese POS.

I think the thing with micro-pumps is the same thing as with bicycle pumps: size of pump vs volume of air required. A tiny pump has to execute a shitload of strokes to get to the required volume of air for a tire like a 190. That places a big load on the pump and requires a lot of energy. And so you get heat from pump strokes and a lot of battery draw. I guess it comes down to how much weight you want to carry  on your bike and your estimate of the likelihood of having to do a flat repair.

I am going with the Dyna Plug and a bicycle pump. I'll carry Power Bars instead of batteries.

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Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2017, 02:56:03 pm »
I had a flat on my previous bike (TL1000R) front tire and with 3 CO2 cartridges, got it to ~22 lbs. Enough to get me over the hill and to a gas station to finish pumping it up.

I now carry one of these pumps:

https://www.amazon.com/Slime-40001-Motorcycle-Tire-Inflator/dp/B000ET9SB4

Along with a plug kit. The pump is small and fits easily in the trunk.

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Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2017, 05:05:51 pm »

Air Dragon looks like some run-of-the-mill Chinese POS.

I think the thing with micro-pumps is the same thing as with bicycle pumps: size of pump vs volume of air required. A tiny pump has to execute a shitload of strokes to get to the required volume of air for a tire like a 190. That places a big load on the pump and requires a lot of energy. And so you get heat from pump strokes and a lot of battery draw. I guess it comes down to how much weight you want to carry  on your bike and your estimate of the likelihood of having to do a flat repair.

I am going with the Dyna Plug and a bicycle pump. I'll carry Power Bars instead of batteries.

Well, we all have our preferences... and some of us have made them AFTER trying the alternatives....that's why we give advice...
I don't own an AirDragon, but a pal does, and I checked it out and tried it on a tire... it works as prescribed, and it is the cig lighter plug in version, pretty cheap for price,
I have a CH box type, I've had it for almost 15 years, cost me $15 at wallyworld back then... I've inflated at least 15 bike tires, for myself, and other folks (that had CO2 and mini bicycle pumps.....),
And frankly if I have a simple nail puncture I can plug and fill and be riding in less than 5 minutes total time...after wiping my hands off and repacking my kit....
Simple gummy rope worms, a generous amount of fresh glue, and the pokey tools for inserting... I have it down to a science....
When you have to use your kit, I hope you at least have experimented on its function prior, because at 4 a.m., in BFE, the joke ain't funny...

Just sharing MY personal experience. :great:



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I've used the Slime pumps, and they are also a good product, no complaints except for cost.

One thing to remember tho, and again, this is from personal experiences doing these roadside... when a tire is completely flat... it takes time...

But, when you are repairing a puncture that is still somewhat inflated, using a plug kit, the first thing I do is install the pump, and get itnrunning, to begin inflation... this allows a much easier plugging process, as a tire with pressure plugs faster than a flat one... and seals more reliably... so that said, it kinda explains the reason a hand pump is pretty much a bummer, besides all the sweating and pumping....
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Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2017, 05:34:23 pm »
+1 on the slime inflator, I've used mine 5 times (2 cars, and 3 bikes), and using the gummy rope plugs. I did have a Dynaplug kit once, and after trying it out in the garage, got rid of it. Configuring the plugs was a royal pain in the butt to me and was not that easy to plug a tire that was off the bike. And I've plugged a many tires over the decades. I couldn't imagine trying to use it on the side of the road, in the dark, rain,,,,,blah blah blah.
The rope plugs with the T-handle had been, and will stay, my go to tire plug method.
Just my 0.02

I had a flat on my previous bike (TL1000R) front tire and with 3 CO2 cartridges, got it to ~22 lbs. Enough to get me over the hill and to a gas station to finish pumping it up.

I now carry one of these pumps:

https://www.amazon.com/Slime-40001-Motorcycle-Tire-Inflator/dp/B000ET9SB4

Along with a plug kit. The pump is small and fits easily in the trunk.
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Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2017, 07:59:26 pm »
One thing to keep in mind...
If you have a flat and it breaks the bead, the small CO2 cartridges don't produce enough pressure to pop it back on, nor would a small compressor, or a bicycle tire pump for that matter.

They make large CO2 cartridges for just this purpose. Pricey, but could really come in handy if you end up in a jamb...
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Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2017, 08:45:35 pm »
Something else to consider when buying a cheap electric pump;
These pumps ( most of them anyway),are not made to last through a lot of use. They are made to sell to a lot of people who will put them in the trunk and forget about them. After what I would consider minimal usage ( some less than 30 minutes of actual usage, NOT CONTINUAL but in total) many of these pumps have failed miserably. There is a reason they are so cheap. I have personally seen several of the Slime pumps crap out at the worst possible time after very little use. I will never buy one of them. I have a electric compressor that I converted to run off of a LiPo battery pack. I have inflated more tires than I care to think about and it has hours and hours of actual use on it with no issues so far. It is 4 years old now. I did get it for 30$ from HF as a field use for RC aircraft landing gear and it has served all of its' life inflating tires big and small instead.
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Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2017, 09:58:02 pm »
I have a Slime pump and ropes on the bike and the $12.99 pumped up a tire on an Altima I didn't care to change in nice clothes at an Autozone in 85 degree weather. I pumped the tire while I stood and shot the breeze with a guy who parked next to me. I drove it home and it was worth $12 to me RIGHT THEN, RIGHT THERE.

If I had a bike pump instead, I'd have needed to find a 15 year old boy with an over developed right arm...  ;)

To each his own.   ;D
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Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2017, 10:06:00 pm »
Id have to say I got my money worth out of my "cheap" ( I.e. low cost but good quality) pump...but then it is a C&H (Campbell Hausfield) and they make pretty good air pumps...
I probably have at least 8 "pump assemblies" I've pulled from garage sale "emergency kits" that all functioned well, especially when you break them out of their plastic boxes, and re work them with a decent cord and hose...,
Yeah, they ALL will get hot, but for an emergency, when hung off the ground, will do the trick...
I've given away a few of these over the years, actually had one mounted under the seat of one of my Conni's, tiewrapped to the inner fender and used it to air up a crapload of tires at rides, it still works,
My Blue box CH is a fine tool, I carry it always...
But then I still carry emergency parts like bearings and levers and crapola for C10's with me, even on my C14.... just for my pals... :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

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Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2017, 01:34:35 am »
If you have a flat and it breaks the bead,
I'm thinking you're pretty well phukked at that point. I rode my C10 at highway speeds on a deflated front (PR3) that was pulling like a mofo by the time I got off the exit (+3/4mi more after I got off  :o ) to plug it and the bead never popped. Thankfully motorcycle tar beads are pretty darn tenacious.
I cheated that time & the wifey brought me my 200psi 20Gal air tank since I was less than 10mi from home.  :))

Whatever pump you choose make sure it runs electrically for at least 2-3min & the wire & hose is long enough to reach both wheels and fits onto the stem tightly before using it on the road. An accurate gauge that works in the limited space on the rear wheel is a plus too.
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Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2017, 08:17:01 am »
I've got a several Slime compressors that I keep on my bikes with saddlebags, on my ATVs and in my car.  One time before I had one, I need air in an ATV tire and a friend along had a Slime.  When he told me he paid $12 for it and I felt how light it was, I thought it was probably a POS but it worked fine.  I bought one and after using it some, bought several more and all have worked fine.  I haven't had a problem with any of them yet and neither have my friends.  I also carry the T-handle plug reamer and the plugs on my bikes and used them twice on ATVs.

I have bigger portable 12V compressors in my pickup and ATV due to the enhanced capabilities for my over-sized tires (and additional storage space available).
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Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2017, 12:45:08 pm »
I rescued a couple in Astoria Oregon that had a flat and were headed back to Canada. I had a repair kit and Co2 on me. Never had used either before.  The plug kit went well and I went through 6 Co2 cartridges and still the rear tire was at a low PSI. State Police showed up with an air tank (had talked with the stranded couple earlier and went to fetch an air tank) and topped off the tire.

From that day forward I bought an electric air pump and carry it at all times with my plug kits. I had used the Co2 on bicycles thats why I had been carrying Co2 on my motorcycles.

One trip I had to stop every hour or so to top off my rear tire, I had plugged it but it still was a slow leaker, electric pump kept me going till I reached home.

Unlimited supply of air. I power mine off a battery tender pigtail, had to add a bit more amperage to the fuse, but 7.5 amp won't blow when it starts up.

I use one of these from http://www.motopumps.com/
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Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2017, 01:08:17 pm »
I picked up a 12v mini compressor with included pressure gauge from HF for 12 bucks.  You can run it off the accessory port if you have a slightly larger fuse. Nothing crazy but bigger than the puny 5amp. It works great.

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Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2017, 01:28:57 pm »
I carry a Slime pump on the C-14.  For my bicycles, I gave up on the CO2 inflators.  I have yet to have a positive experience using them (basically only supposed to be a time saver over a pump) and had an inflator literally explode in my face.  I don't use them anymore. 
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Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2017, 04:47:44 pm »
Harbor Freight $30 air pump (or better). NOT the cheap yellow plastic ones.


We keep one in each car/vehicle. Worth the $, especially if you have a coupon or catch em on sale.





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Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2017, 02:35:55 pm »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODH8fM9vK94 I have one of these Ryobi inflators, I like it a lot.

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Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2017, 05:12:18 pm »
Electric all the way

Used my Slime pump for at least 4 top offs after puncture and plug fixes on the C14 (one just last weekend while on the California Coast Campout and all in less then 2 years)

Same Slime pump has done 4 complete fills of a KLR rear after a puncture and patch or puncture and tube replace.

Same Slime pump has been used numerous times to add pressure to the KLR tires after leaving a lot of dirt riding with reduced pressure for a lot of street riding home.

Same Slime pump filled truck and car tires in a pinch, inflated mattresses and pool toys and other light chores.

The Slime pump cost me about the same as 1 three tank CO2 kit - so for the 5 C14 fix and topoffs alone, the CO2 would have cost maybe 3x as much and probably not worked as well or as easy.

There's lots of options out there now, but...

Electric all the way

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