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Does anyone with a KAW manual know why the service manual shows, at least to me, using to different spring compressors on the front forks when, I think both fork tubes are the same left/right?


The one looks like an old JEEP bumper jack, and the other one has two handles with rods on each side.  Are the two " spring compressors " doing something different that I'm glossing over?


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Re: Factory tools for Front Fork service. Two different styles of tool?
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2017, 05:27:47 pm »
I don't have the manual here but this is what I got and I did both forks with it.

http://www.traxxion.com/Fork-Service-Tool-Kit/

All you really need is...
http://www.traxxion.com/Fork-Spring-Compressor-Kit-4017/
http://www.traxxion.com/Fork-Bleed-Tool-Universal-0-0/
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Re: Factory tools for Front Fork service. Two different styles of tool?
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2017, 06:37:48 pm »
The one with two handles is the part that clamps on the plastic spacer underneath the cap. There two holes in it that the go into. The other tool attaches to the bottom of the fork tube to actually compress the spring.

I just used the traxxion compressor tool and a single ratchet strap.

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Re: Factory tools for Front Fork service. Two different styles of tool?
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2017, 06:42:46 pm »
The one with two handles is the part that clamps on the plastic spacer underneath the cap. There two holes in it that the go into. The other tool attaches to the bottom of the fork tube to actually compress the spring.

I just used the traxxion compressor tool and a single ratchet strap.


Yeah I was wondering why the need for the jeep style jack.


I was looking at Traxxion's site after a search here and it looks like the tools you need to change the fork seals and dump /  change the fluid is pretty reasonably priced. 

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Re: Factory tools for Front Fork service. Two different styles of tool?
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2017, 07:07:54 pm »
They’re not bad at all. The pulling rod is an absolute must. Once you pull the cap off and let the tension off the spring, that sucker is gone. Lol. If you do replace the seals, make sure the jam nut under the cap has the proper thread length above it. I think it’s 12mm. If you have the wrong the spacing, the damping adjustment won’t work right and possible damage could result.

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Re: Factory tools for Front Fork service. Two different styles of tool?
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2017, 07:11:19 pm »
They’re not bad at all. The pulling rod is an absolute must. Once you pull the cap off and let the tension off the spring, that sucker is gone. Lol. If you do replace the seals, make sure the jam nut under the cap has the proper thread length above it. I think it’s 12mm. If you have the wrong the spacing, the damping adjustment won’t work right and possible damage could result.


Noted.  It was puzzling when I was reading the service manual that it looked like they were doing the same thing to the fork in the photos, but used one tool one time, and the other one the next time but were taking the same part off......


That JACK is like 500$ ! :truce:

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Re: Factory tools for Front Fork service. Two different styles of tool?
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2017, 07:13:04 pm »
I don't have the manual here but this is what I got and I did both forks with it.

http://www.traxxion.com/Fork-Service-Tool-Kit/

All you really need is...
http://www.traxxion.com/Fork-Spring-Compressor-Kit-4017/
http://www.traxxion.com/Fork-Bleed-Tool-Universal-0-0/



Yup.  I have a couple years and 10K on the bike.  I I dont see anywhere in the book where it says when to do the oil.  But I'm thinking 15-20K and I'll do it.


I noticed the tools in another thread and for around $100 at traxxion you can do the same work the book is using 900$ in tools to do.   :-\

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Re: Factory tools for Front Fork service. Two different styles of tool?
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2017, 07:39:01 pm »
They’re not bad at all. The pulling rod is an absolute must. Once you pull the cap off and let the tension off the spring, that sucker is gone. Lol. If you do replace the seals, make sure the jam nut under the cap has the proper thread length above it. I think it’s 12mm. If you have the wrong the spacing, the damping adjustment won’t work right and possible damage could result.


Noted.  It was puzzling when I was reading the service manual that it looked like they were doing the same thing to the fork in the photos, but used one tool one time, and the other one the next time but were taking the same part off......


That JACK is like 500$ ! :truce:

Put bike on center stand. Use scissor jack from car on header pipe. Lift approx 1.5-2”. Works great.

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Re: Factory tools for Front Fork service. Two different styles of tool?
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2017, 07:40:02 pm »
They’re not bad at all. The pulling rod is an absolute must. Once you pull the cap off and let the tension off the spring, that sucker is gone. Lol. If you do replace the seals, make sure the jam nut under the cap has the proper thread length above it. I think it’s 12mm. If you have the wrong the spacing, the damping adjustment won’t work right and possible damage could result.


Noted.  It was puzzling when I was reading the service manual that it looked like they were doing the same thing to the fork in the photos, but used one tool one time, and the other one the next time but were taking the same part off......


That JACK is like 500$ ! :truce:

Put bike on center stand. Use scissor jack from car on header pipe. Lift approx 1.5-2”. Works great.


Right.  I mean the compressor in the manual.  I call the fork compressor a jack.

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Re: Factory tools for Front Fork service. Two different styles of tool?
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2017, 08:02:31 pm »
500 for that? I should start making them at work and selling them. Hahahaha

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Re: Factory tools for Front Fork service. Two different styles of tool?
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2017, 08:04:42 pm »
500 for that? I should start making them at work and selling them. Hahahaha



Amazon sells them for 500 +


http://www.bikebandit.com/oem-parts/detail/kawasaki/57001-1771/b3050921


They sell them for $330ish.


Still a lot.


So I was wondering if It was even necessary .


Seems like All I need is the TRAXXION gear for 100 ish.

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Re: Factory tools for Front Fork service. Two different styles of tool?
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2017, 09:34:15 pm »
I’d recommend a seal driver too. I got mine from revzilla, it’s a motion pro 43mm ringer seal driver. You can rig something that will work, but there’s nothing like using a dedicated special tool. Also, a 1” wide ratchet strap. I think I got mine at Walmart for like $5.

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Re: Factory tools for Front Fork service. Two different styles of tool?
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2017, 12:08:11 am »
I’d recommend a seal driver too. I got mine from revzilla, it’s a motion pro 43mm ringer seal driver. You can rig something that will work, but there’s nothing like using a dedicated special tool. Also, a 1” wide ratchet strap. I think I got mine at Walmart for like $5.


Oh most definitely.  The seal drivers are pretty common and not real expensive.  I don't like the home made tool stuff mostly because I can't make them myself.




Where did you use the strap ?

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Re: Factory tools for Front Fork service. Two different styles of tool?
« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2017, 12:14:17 am »
Make you a deal. Join the club and I can arrange to have the Traxxion tools sent to you for loan  :) Another generous soul may even donate the seal driver  ;)
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Re: Factory tools for Front Fork service. Two different styles of tool?
« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2017, 12:16:44 am »
Make you a deal. Join the club and I can arrange to have the Traxxion tools sent to you for loan  :) Another generous soul may even donate the seal driver  ;)


I appreciate the offer of course. But I like to have the tools on hand.  The cost is not a factor for me.  I was actually looking at buying the factory tools but noticed traxxxion has really the essentials for the cost of ONE Kaw' tool.    Theres certainly no sense in blowing cash on tools I really dont NEED just to dump fluid and change seals.


Which was the premise behind my original post here on why it looks like KAW is using two tools to do the same thing with the forks........




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Re: Factory tools for Front Fork service. Two different styles of tool?
« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2017, 12:27:19 am »
Make you a deal. Join the club and I can arrange to have the Traxxion tools sent to you for loan  :) Another generous soul may even donate the seal driver  ;)


I appreciate the offer of course. But I like to have the tools on hand.  The cost is not a factor for me.  I was actually looking at buying the factory tools but noticed traxxxion has really the essentials for the cost of ONE Kaw' tool.    Theres certainly no sense in blowing cash on tools I really dont NEED just to dump fluid and change seals.


Which was the premise behind my original post here on why it looks like KAW is using two tools to do the same thing with the forks........
No Worries.  :great: :beerchug: The Traxxion tools work and get the job done. Worth it. For those out there doing seals or fluid changes these tools are available for loan. Includes the oil level tool. Gotta be a club member though so we can keep track of 'em.
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Re: Factory tools for Front Fork service. Two different styles of tool?
« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2017, 01:08:10 am »
I’d recommend a seal driver too. I got mine from revzilla, it’s a motion pro 43mm ringer seal driver. You can rig something that will work, but there’s nothing like using a dedicated special tool. Also, a 1” wide ratchet strap. I think I got mine at Walmart for like $5.


Oh most definitely.  The seal drivers are pretty common and not real expensive.  I don't like the home made tool stuff mostly because I can't make them myself.




Where did you use the strap ?

The strap gets threaded through the axle hole and one side attached to the compression tool. The ratchet gets attached to the other side of the comp tool.


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Re: Factory tools for Front Fork service. Two different styles of tool?
« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2017, 10:40:06 am »
I’d recommend a seal driver too. I got mine from revzilla, it’s a motion pro 43mm ringer seal driver. You can rig something that will work, but there’s nothing like using a dedicated special tool. Also, a 1” wide ratchet strap. I think I got mine at Walmart for like $5.


Oh most definitely.  The seal drivers are pretty common and not real expensive.  I don't like the home made tool stuff mostly because I can't make them myself.




Where did you use the strap ?

The strap gets threaded through the axle hole and one side attached to the compression tool. The ratchet gets attached to the other side of the comp tool.


Oh I see.  Vs having someone help you, you strapped it.

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Re: Factory tools for Front Fork service. Two different styles of tool?
« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2017, 11:45:57 am »
I’d recommend a seal driver too. I got mine from revzilla, it’s a motion pro 43mm ringer seal driver. You can rig something that will work, but there’s nothing like using a dedicated special tool. Also, a 1” wide ratchet strap. I think I got mine at Walmart for like $5.


Oh most definitely.  The seal drivers are pretty common and not real expensive.  I don't like the home made tool stuff mostly because I can't make them myself.




Where did you use the strap ?

The strap gets threaded through the axle hole and one side attached to the compression tool. The ratchet gets attached to the other side of the comp tool.


Oh I see.  Vs having someone help you, you strapped it.

I’d love to find someone big enough to help. I’m 320 lbs, and I couldn’t compress the spring enough by hand. It’s gotta go all the way down to the top of the tube, then you have to pull up on the cap with a large amount of force and slide a keeper of sorts underneath the jam nut.

Also, if you’re just doing an oil change, or seal change, you don’t need to remove the cartridge. So don’t worry about the Allen bolt on the bottom of the fork.
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Re: Factory tools for Front Fork service. Two different styles of tool?
« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2017, 11:55:37 am »
I’d recommend a seal driver too. I got mine from revzilla, it’s a motion pro 43mm ringer seal driver. You can rig something that will work, but there’s nothing like using a dedicated special tool. Also, a 1” wide ratchet strap. I think I got mine at Walmart for like $5.


Oh most definitely.  The seal drivers are pretty common and not real expensive.  I don't like the home made tool stuff mostly because I can't make them myself.




Where did you use the strap ?

The strap gets threaded through the axle hole and one side attached to the compression tool. The ratchet gets attached to the other side of the comp tool.


Oh I see.  Vs having someone help you, you strapped it.

I’d love to find someone big enough to help. I’m 320 lbs, and I couldn’t compress the spring enough by hand. It’s gotta go all the way down to the top of the tube, then you have to pull up on the cap with a large amount of force and slide a keeper of sorts underneath the jam nut.




Gotcha.  So is this what that  big spring compressor I call a JACK, is for ?

https://www.amazon.com/kawasaki-2015%602016-1400GTR-Toolsfork-Compressor/dp/B01CQ8O5U4



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Re: Factory tools for Front Fork service. Two different styles of tool?
« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2017, 12:29:35 pm »
Not sure. That isn’t in my service manual. But mine is an 08. The forks are identical but Kaw probably just designed some new tools to make the job easier. The traxxion tools are great and will work flawlessly.

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Re: Factory tools for Front Fork service. Two different styles of tool?
« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2017, 12:32:20 pm »
These are the fork tools in my manual.

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Re: Factory tools for Front Fork service. Two different styles of tool?
« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2017, 12:44:28 pm »
These are the fork tools in my manual.




Do we have the same book?  Mine is 15-16 year issue.


If so look at page 13-9

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Re: Factory tools for Front Fork service. Two different styles of tool?
« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2017, 12:52:21 pm »
We don’t. Mine is for an 08. But the forks are identical. Kaw just designed new tools. Basically all upside down forks, like ours, are the same. Doesn’t matter the brand of bike. There’s minor differences here and there, but they’re all basically the same thing.

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Re: Factory tools for Front Fork service. Two different styles of tool?
« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2017, 12:57:25 pm »
We don’t. Mine is for an 08. But the forks are identical. Kaw just designed new tools. Basically all upside down forks, like ours, are the same. Doesn’t matter the brand of bike. There’s minor differences here and there, but they’re all basically the same thing.



OK so it seems like they created another tool, that does the same thing that you have listed.    Its odd that KAW has made two tools that appear to be doing the same thing, or the premise behind my main question.


The amazon list is way more expensive than bikebandit. http://www.bikebandit.com/oem-parts/detail/kawasaki/57001-1771/b3050921  Or $331.


If 1540 and 1587 do the same thing then what is their point I wonder.    If you had these two tools would you need the strap?