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Peg feelers scraping?
« on: August 01, 2017, 02:00:51 pm »
I assume there is no way to cure this short of slowing down maybe  :o

First real curves on the bike this past weekend and I am dragging both sides. Even with the crappy brakes I still manage to corner low on the big thing lol

Last bike I owned dragged them to early on but I had my Suspension guy who tunes my racebikes rework the forks and added a Penske shock on the rear of the Yamaha Super Tenere and the peg dragging stopped. I guess the Concours may suffer from the same disease, cheap suspension.

EDIT: oops wrong forum, sorry  :truce:
« Last Edit: August 01, 2017, 02:16:07 pm by roy826, Reason: wrong forum »
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Re: Peg feelers scraping?
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2017, 09:57:21 pm »
I assume there is no way to cure this short of slowing down maybe  :o

First real curves on the bike this past weekend and I am dragging both sides. Even with the crappy brakes I still manage to corner low on the big thing lol

Last bike I owned dragged them to early on but I had my Suspension guy who tunes my racebikes rework the forks and added a Penske shock on the rear of the Yamaha Super Tenere and the peg dragging stopped. I guess the Concours may suffer from the same disease, cheap suspension.

EDIT: oops wrong forum, sorry  :truce:





 
I suggest slowing down.  Its a 700LB+ motorcycle.




Peg scrape with your other scooters IMO!

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Re: Peg feelers scraping?
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2017, 10:47:03 pm »
I assume there is no way to cure this short of slowing down maybe  :o

First real curves on the bike this past weekend and I am dragging both sides. Even with the crappy brakes I still manage to corner low on the big thing lol

Last bike I owned dragged them to early on but I had my Suspension guy who tunes my racebikes rework the forks and added a Penske shock on the rear of the Yamaha Super Tenere and the peg dragging stopped. I guess the Concours may suffer from the same disease, cheap suspension.

EDIT: oops wrong forum, sorry  :truce:






 
I suggest slowing down.  Its a 700LB+ motorcycle.




Peg scrape with your other scooters IMO!


Advice taken but I doubt I'll do that.  :beerchug: if I let scrape on any of the others I'm crashing  :)
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Re: Peg feelers scraping?
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2017, 10:53:08 pm »
I've scraped mine off so I don't worry about it anymore.  :rotflmao: 

Seriously though, since i was doing some big twisty routes and these are now gone, why replace 'em?

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Re: Peg feelers scraping?
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2017, 12:06:36 am »
Those hideous warts are the second thing I remove from every new motorcycle, right after the DOT reflector moles.
There was one exception, I ripped them out on my '97 BMW R-1100RT up on some sweet twisties in BC. Made earrings out of them for my wife as they were so beveled.
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Re: Peg feelers scraping?
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2017, 08:34:07 am »

Do you still have to stock profile 50 rear tire?    If so, switch to a 55 and see if there is a difference.     
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Re: Peg feelers scraping?
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2017, 10:21:02 am »

Do you still have to stock profile 50 rear tire?    If so, switch to a 55 and see if there is a difference.     

I do but previous owner had just installed new Michelins on it. So once the rears wore out I will switch to the 55 rear. That is what is on my Suzuki street bike instead of the 50 it come with.
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Re: Peg feelers scraping?
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2017, 10:59:24 am »
I just pulled mine off since they were so worn down and beveled.  I'm running a 200/55 rear and haven't had any issues with scraping anything else but the Trail-tail one-wheeled trailer I pulled last month on my 5k trip.  Cali coastal HWY 1 was the closest I have come to dragging peg (since removing my feelers)

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Re: Peg feelers scraping?
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2017, 12:52:12 am »
Ohlins, front and rear, feelers broken off, footpegs ground on ends, lower cowl (The black part) has scrape marks from the road. Dunlop Q3 tires at 42psi.


This is a Big Heavy Bike and it will drag the pegs all day long. Just be careful, the next thing to drag is the Can and then you lift the tire going into a lowside.
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Re: Peg feelers scraping?
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2017, 10:08:21 pm »
I removed mine when she was new.
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Re: Peg feelers scraping?
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2017, 03:25:25 am »
Those things that scrape are actually called "Angle Sensors" by MomaKaw. :))
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Re: Peg feelers scraping?
« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2017, 11:19:03 am »
Some times called 'Bank Sensor', as in if you spend too much time touching them down or are not ready for it you will have to go to the bank to withdraw money to repair hard parts.

That being said, my old BMW RT also had beveled plastic on both sides of the chin fairing once these were removed. I have put less than 1K on the Connie and she is a stout girl, so I am not that comfortable enough just yet exploring the cornering limits. If I feel the need to drag a toe or knee, that is why I kept my ZX-10.
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Re: Peg feelers scraping?
« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2017, 10:17:50 pm »
The suspension on this bike and the vast majority of every bike sold would benefit from a suspension upgrade.  But many find the stock pretty decent short of a couple of grand upgrade.

In my experience, though she is a porker, body position still certainly matters like on lighter bikes - including my track bike.  In addition, the preload set up will most greatly affect the ride height and what you are talking about.  There are good settings examples published on this site.  The compression damping on each end is more about ride quality and touring vs sport characteristics.  For what you are talking about, rear preload in the 22-24 click range / front preload somewhere around 2 lines showing should put your bike in a zone the stock suspension can perform "FOR WHAT IT IS" and less scraping.  If you are already there, perhaps the upgrade is needed. 

I am not in the take them off camp for any of my bikes.  Maybe it's just cause I'm old, but I want a warning on something that gives a little before hard parts lift my tire off the road.  All just my opinion.

BTW - this might make your sag setting a little on the low side - we don't know how much you weigh.  I will also repeat, when I start scraping it is usually my body being less precise. 
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Re: Peg feelers scraping?
« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2017, 04:39:44 am »
One of the things I did was to raise the back end 40mm by changing the rear shock links. More ground clearance plus increased turn in (less rake & trail).
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Re: Peg feelers scraping?
« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2017, 10:35:01 am »
The suspension on this bike and the vast majority of every bike sold would benefit from a suspension upgrade.  But many find the stock pretty decent short of a couple of grand upgrade.

In my experience, though she is a porker, body position still certainly matters like on lighter bikes - including my track bike.  In addition, the preload set up will most greatly affect the ride height and what you are talking about.  There are good settings examples published on this site.  The compression damping on each end is more about ride quality and touring vs sport characteristics.  For what you are talking about, rear preload in the 22-24 click range / front preload somewhere around 2 lines showing should put your bike in a zone the stock suspension can perform "FOR WHAT IT IS" and less scraping.  If you are already there, perhaps the upgrade is needed. 

I am not in the take them off camp for any of my bikes.  Maybe it's just cause I'm old, but I want a warning on something that gives a little before hard parts lift my tire off the road.  All just my opinion.

BTW - this might make your sag setting a little on the low side - we don't know how much you weigh.  I will also repeat, when I start scraping it is usually my body being less precise.

I am on the light side at 135-137 lbs and I found the suspension to be very stiff in stock settings for me. I softened it up front and back and it rides much better with out the jarring teeth rattling stock ride. Spring rates are obviously to stiff for my size. Compression rates are too stiff as well like most Jap bikes are for me. I never remove a peg feeler as I like the warning. It is simply a big bike but does corner quite well for its size except in extreme tight stuff where the stupid linked braking causes me more issues than the peg feelers scraping. I will probably try the 55 profile rear tire once this one is shot. I can flat foot the bike currently so a little higher won't really affect me. The weight of the bike now that is another story as I have found it to be a top heavy girl especially loaded with camping gear and bags. I have to be careful not to test that as I am sure I can't pick it up if it is dropped.

I am reluctant to throw a bunch of money at this bike on suspension upgrades. I do not hesitate to do that on my race bikes but generally do not go that direction on a street bike unless I get a deal on the items or do it myself. Not a fan of raising the rear via dog bones I prefer a shock that will do that.
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Re: Peg feelers scraping?
« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2017, 03:25:49 pm »
Not sure how you ride compared to me but I hardly touch mine.   I try to use my body weight pushed to the inside during the curve to help keep the bike more upright.  Think motogp not dirt bike.  If you drive by pushing the bike down with your weight above to get it through a tight turn that may be why it is touching more.
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Re: Peg feelers scraping?
« Reply #16 on: August 15, 2017, 04:30:22 pm »
  If easier turn in is what you're after and don't want to raise the back end you can get the same result by lowering the front. Just slide the forks up through the triple clamps. Try raising them no more than 3/8 - 1/2 inch and they Must be equal. Be careful, this will also bring the front fender closer to impacting the fairing at full compression. Try putting a tie wrap around one of the fork legs and push it up against the outer tube. After riding check to see how far down it went. This will tell you how much travel you're using.Their are many ways to skin this cat, each with both good and bad. Whatever you try change only one thing at a time and in small steps. Keep a logbook of all changes so you can quantify what the results were.
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At the very least adjust the SAG for correct height. But again when doing this keep a record of all changes and only change one thing at a time.


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Re: Peg feelers scraping?
« Reply #17 on: August 15, 2017, 05:11:17 pm »
Get your a** off to one side. There should be no scraping if your body position is correct.
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Re: Peg feelers scraping?
« Reply #18 on: August 15, 2017, 06:10:48 pm »
if you've got peg lowers, scraping is very likely.  it's surprising how much they reduce clearance.
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Re: Peg feelers scraping?
« Reply #19 on: August 15, 2017, 06:15:20 pm »
Body position, either correct or otherwise will NOT prevent peg scraping in a high speed corner. This heavy beast is more than capable of reaching lean angles beyond peg scraping. If you have the experience and skill to keep pushing that handle bar it can be exhilarating to feel your elbow touching down without hanging your fat a** excessively off. Hanging off to far does not help handling or control.


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Re: Peg feelers scraping?
« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2017, 10:36:59 pm »
The 55 suggestion is good.  I much prefer it.  Not sure It will be enough difference in height to change the scraping but it certainly turns in better imo. 

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Re: Peg feelers scraping?
« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2017, 12:47:01 am »
I'm in the South East, who do you use for suspension work?


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Re: Peg feelers scraping?
« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2017, 02:20:26 am »
I do all of my own work. Have been since 1969 when I bought a used BSA Goldstar for my first "Real" motorcycle. If you've ever owned a British bike you understand the need for learning to turn wrenches. Especially on the side of the road, in the dark.
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Re: Peg feelers scraping?
« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2017, 07:06:43 am »
I'm in the South East, who do you use for suspension work?


I suggest David at Fast Bike Industries in Hendersonville NC

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Re: Peg feelers scraping?
« Reply #24 on: August 16, 2017, 10:49:57 am »
I'm in the South East, who do you use for suspension work?


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