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Re: Putting on new front tire - super difficult
« Reply #25 on: May 07, 2020, 03:33:55 pm »
Couple of video's.
Note the cheap bead breaker...
2nd video, uses the tape method.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=civ_pBrExA0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr0ZIp1iXoc

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Re: Putting on new front tire - super difficult
« Reply #26 on: May 07, 2020, 04:26:39 pm »
Great videos!  Thank you!!

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Re: Putting on new front tire - super difficult
« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2020, 07:21:01 pm »
The video says they are just used for removal. Are you using them to center the tire? I have been using these clamps. Helps


A couple of these from No Mar are a great help.
https://www.nomartirechanger.com/XtraHand_Clamp_p/ac-eh-clamp.htm
Otherwise you need to put the full weight of your body on the bead opposite the last section you are working on using both knees.
I use them mostly for mounting the tire but sometimes I need to use then for dismounting as well. They help in getting the lower rim secured in the Nomar clamp blocks. To be honest I have never used them without the Nomar changer but I can't see why they would not be useful doing a manual change, especially if you have sore knees.  The Nomar came with an instructional DVD. Tha basic tire change vidio shows Steve using the extra hand to mount a tire.

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Re: Putting on new front tire - super difficult
« Reply #28 on: May 07, 2020, 09:36:23 pm »
The tape one was very interesting. He mentioned how the Michelins are much more flexible too. Sure made it look easy. I would not like that much soap om a high horsepower rear wheel or for that matter a front. I might try a modified method by using zipties if I have trouble keeping the beads in the center.




Couple of video's.
Note the cheap bead breaker...
2nd video, uses the tape method.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=civ_pBrExA0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr0ZIp1iXoc


NOTE: Per Cliff, I built a wooden frame to support the tire at the rim, protect the rotors, and protect the paint from scratching.

Ride safe, Ted

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Re: Putting on new front tire - super difficult
« Reply #29 on: May 10, 2020, 07:13:13 pm »
I just did my front and it was a pita. I discovered a technique for the second bead while doing it (since nothing else was working and I started bending the tip on my mojo-lever). Use the rim protectors with rope attached so they don't fall in. I realized I had to do it just a little a time using a spoon at the rim protector. After pushing the spoon and getting the next little part of the tire over the rim, stick a block in behind to hold it there and not lose the little bit you just gained and pull the spoon out. Now typically getting the rim protector out of there is a bear but since I had the nylon tip off my mojo-lever I used that tip as a chisel and with a hammer, slid the rim protector over to the next section of tire bead that was not on yet, essentially to get it out of the pinch point. It was a little slow but methodically gets you there without using extreme force. Doing a small piece of tire bead at a time reduces the force necessary. This includes using all the aforementioned techniques (soapy water, putting the opposite bead in the deep part of the rim, etc). After realizing that worked OK I ordered some nylon rod off amazon to use as the nylon chisel.

I found a guy on youtube that did something really clever. He bought the nylon "duckhead tire mount head" that is used on commercial machines and attached it to the end of a bar. Spares are available since they wear out. Google those words and several vendors will come up that sell them at about $25-35 each. His demonstration made it look very easy. I'm going to give that a try next time too using it with the HF stand. Look for his video also.

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Re: Putting on new front tire - super difficult
« Reply #30 on: May 11, 2020, 01:11:13 pm »
I just did my front and it was a pita. I discovered a technique for the second bead while doing it (since nothing else was working and I started bending the tip on my mojo-lever). Use the rim protectors with rope attached so they don't fall in. I realized I had to do it just a little a time using a spoon at the rim protector. After pushing the spoon and getting the next little part of the tire over the rim, stick a block in behind to hold it there and not lose the little bit you just gained and pull the spoon out. Now typically getting the rim protector out of there is a bear but since I had the nylon tip off my mojo-lever I used that tip as a chisel and with a hammer, slid the rim protector over to the next section of tire bead that was not on yet, essentially to get it out of the pinch point. It was a little slow but methodically gets you there without using extreme force. Doing a small piece of tire bead at a time reduces the force necessary. This includes using all the aforementioned techniques (soapy water, putting the opposite bead in the deep part of the rim, etc). After realizing that worked OK I ordered some nylon rod off amazon to use as the nylon chisel.


Pete -
Out of curiosity, what Brand/Version tire was this??

I've got tools coming this week for my first ever attempt at changing my own.  Hoping i don't have similar issues.

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Re: Putting on new front tire - super difficult
« Reply #31 on: May 11, 2020, 01:37:40 pm »
GR this was actually an Angel ST I found on Amazon. I liked this tire alot on another bike and was curious how it would be on the C14. I didn't warm it up either. Didn't think to do that since the rear wasn't that hard. But the front is stiffer.

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Re: Putting on new front tire - super difficult
« Reply #32 on: May 17, 2020, 01:22:53 pm »
Well.....mark me in the category of "the tire WON".  ::)

I'm clearly doing something wrong, as I cannot get the last bit of bead over the rim.

I got two motion pro levers, and they worked well to dismount the front (A-Spec Angel GT), but I need to check my technique for the remount.

And before anyone asks: Tire lube: Check.  Rim protectors: check.  Tire warmed in Sun: Check Check.

I'll confer offline with my peeps.

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Re: Putting on new front tire - super difficult
« Reply #33 on: May 17, 2020, 01:56:19 pm »
Man I wonder what is wrong. Possibly accidentally get a MotoGp spec 16.5 tire? My Wicko manual changing station (HF copied it) and I have changed hundreds of tires in the 15 years I have had it. Hard touring tires on Harley's, car tires on Goldwing rims for darksiders, Forged Marchesinis, Blackstone CF rims, never a problem. I have always used Dawn soap in water and do not scrimp on the lube. Once it starts to dry it gets sticky and I have  done this at track days for bikes getting right back on the track  and never have had tire slip issues on bikes with 160+ HP.
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Re: Putting on new front tire - super difficult
« Reply #34 on: May 17, 2020, 08:35:53 pm »
It's all about getting the tire in the very center of the rim where it is recessed.  When the bead is in that recessed area, it gives more room to get the last bit over the rim.
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Re: Putting on new front tire - super difficult
« Reply #35 on: May 17, 2020, 11:24:28 pm »
Fortunately, I have a local m/c dealer that has put my tires on for $35-$40, even if I buy them elsewhere ... so I don't have to bother with this. Sure, if it were substantially higher in price, I'd likely be challenged to do it myself.

Hope you get it worked out soon!
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Re: Putting on new front tire - super difficult
« Reply #36 on: May 18, 2020, 12:16:54 am »
Here's the secret that your dad should have told you... Lemon Pledge.
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Re: Putting on new front tire - super difficult
« Reply #37 on: May 18, 2020, 11:01:13 am »
It's all about getting the tire in the very center of the rim where it is recessed.  When the bead is in that recessed area, it gives more room to get the last bit over the rim.

Pretty sure it's THIS.
I have to go back and reassess my technique.

And LEMON PLEDGE???

I knew this was the THE secret for polishing plastic, but tire mounting as well?!?  Seriously??
Seems messy.....

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Re: Putting on new front tire - super difficult
« Reply #38 on: May 18, 2020, 12:00:38 pm »
And LEMON PLEDGE???

I knew this was the THE secret for polishing plastic, but tire mounting as well?!?  Seriously??
Seems messy.....

Not at all... Been using it for over 15 years both on the street and the track. Got the tip from a fellow racer and have only used Pledge since. Just spray a thin coat on the outer edges of the tire and go. No mess.
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Re: Putting on new front tire - super difficult
« Reply #39 on: May 18, 2020, 04:49:25 pm »
And LEMON PLEDGE???

I knew this was the THE secret for polishing plastic, but tire mounting as well?!?  Seriously??
Seems messy.....

Not at all... Been using it for over 15 years both on the street and the track. Got the tip from a fellow racer and have only used Pledge since. Just spray a thin coat on the outer edges of the tire and go. No mess.

That's cool ! Good to know. I also did not know it's great for polishing plastic, but makes sense that it would be. Learn something new everyday. Thanks!
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Re: Putting on new front tire - super difficult
« Reply #40 on: May 20, 2020, 10:15:04 pm »
My tire is a Dunlop Roadsmart II 120-70r17, and just did a kenda K760 90/100r16 on a TTR125. I was able to get the Dunlop on with the spoons, but was really difficult. The Kenda I couldn't even. There is far less "center area" on that tire with the tube in it, so it just wasn't happening. However I got my mojo lever in today and Viola! Kenda tire went on no problem! Props to Mitch for getting it to me quick.
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Re: Putting on new front tire - super difficult
« Reply #41 on: May 21, 2020, 12:30:26 pm »
Whelp.....I tried the manual method, and lost.   :-[

No way in HELL i was busting the bead on that Rear A-Spec Pirelli Angel GT by hand, and I knew it could be problematic, hence why I made a contingency plan of going to Cycle Gear.

Next time around it may be a HF changer and MOJO bar for me.  :truce:

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Re: Putting on new front tire - super difficult
« Reply #42 on: May 21, 2020, 03:59:57 pm »
At least you tried.  :)

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Re: Putting on new front tire - super difficult
« Reply #43 on: May 21, 2020, 08:35:30 pm »
Whelp.....I tried the manual method, and lost.   :-[

No way in HELL i was busting the bead on that Rear A-Spec Pirelli Angel GT by hand, and I knew it could be problematic, hence why I made a contingency plan of going to Cycle Gear.

Next time around it may be a HF changer and MOJO bar for me.  :truce:

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Re: Putting on new front tire - super difficult
« Reply #44 on: May 21, 2020, 08:51:27 pm »
Bud, do you have a link for where to find that blue tool?  I checked Motion Pro's website, and they don't show it.

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Re: Putting on new front tire - super difficult
« Reply #45 on: May 22, 2020, 09:48:08 am »
I did some looking this morning.  All I could find said out of stock or discontinued.

Was it Cliff that made one that attached to an I beam in his garage?
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Re: Putting on new front tire - super difficult
« Reply #46 on: May 22, 2020, 11:27:56 am »
Yep.
That's Cliffy with the MAN Breaker in his MAN  Pole Barn!

Mine are the Motion Pro Bead Breakers.  really handy little tools, I just couldn't bust that bead on the Rear ASpec Angel with them.

https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/motion-pro-beadpro-forged-steel-tire-bead-breaker?rrec=true

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Re: Putting on new front tire - super difficult
« Reply #47 on: May 22, 2020, 02:14:25 pm »
Yep.
That's Cliffy with the MAN Breaker in his MAN  Pole Barn!

Mine are the Motion Pro Bead Breakers.  really handy little tools, I just couldn't bust that bead on the Rear ASpec Angel with them.

https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/motion-pro-beadpro-forged-steel-tire-bead-breaker?rrec=true
I use the same levers to swap out my tires.  Breaking the bead is not easy, but they work.  Patience.  A lot of Windex or other lube is helpful.  I found it helpful the last time to get the initial movement of the irons to separate the bead, then insert the lower iron in further, then while holding the tire irons together, spray more lube in the opening and hold it. 

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Re: Putting on new front tire - super difficult
« Reply #48 on: May 22, 2020, 05:50:34 pm »

Mine are the Motion Pro Bead Breakers.  really handy little tools, I just couldn't bust that bead on the Rear ASpec Angel with them.

https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/motion-pro-beadpro-forged-steel-tire-bead-breaker?rrec=true

Admittedly I've never used these, but just doesn't appear to be enough leverage there for a C14 tire IMO. Having installed over 40 sets of tires on my C14 & not counting others I've done. I got some experience & understand what it takes, but I would not want to use this set up myself. I'm sure they will work, just looks like a unnecessary battle to me.

Appear to be great for trailside repairs on a smaller off road bike though.

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Re: Putting on new front tire - super difficult
« Reply #49 on: May 22, 2020, 07:19:17 pm »
FWIW, Cliff, I use it on 180/55-17 inch tires.  I think most of the C14s only use a 190.

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