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Re: Shinko Tire Test - Part 1 and miscellaneous ramblings
« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2016, 01:55:45 pm »
I've been doing my own mounting and balancing for the past year or so, comprising five sets of tires. I have not noticed any differences in longevity at all. But I have saved a bit from not having to pay for M&B, and not having to haul the wheels back and forth to some shop to get it done.

The money saved from one time not taking the tires to the dealer bought me all the tools I need to do the job going forward. 
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Re: Shinko Tire Test - Part 1 and miscellaneous ramblings
« Reply #26 on: December 29, 2016, 04:41:00 am »
Tire Update: I guess I am close to that point now. Pricing the tools I need to do my own tires. By the time I get all the stuff I need I'll be too old to use it. Well maybe not. I've seen a few Craig's List deals where shops are closing and you can get full motorcycle shop tools for $10,000. Lifts, tire mounting devices,  snap on boxes, special tools, everything. I should have at least looked at the stuff. It's a catch 22 for me. I don't mind paying to have it done if I could find someone who cared enough to do it right.

I replaced the Michelin PR4GT rear only at 9,000 miles. Wow. That's a new record for DLAMA. There were probably 500-1000 miles left in the carcass but my disbelief could not take the tire any further. This is also the first time I have ever put a new rear tire and left the old front.

The new rear? I put on a $169 Conti-Sport that was mounted and balanced by a fantastic little Motorcycle Shop in Baton Rouge, LA. The name of the is RAD CYCLES. www.radcycles.com

The owner and his sons are real fanatics and they have a full retail and mechanic shop. One of the sons mounted my tire and balanced it perfectly. They only charged me $45 because I took my own side cases off!

I talked to the owner (Robert who goes by the nickname of RAD) and he talked me into trying the Conti-Sport. I've tried so many tires and had so many varied results I thought, WHAT THE HECK.

I really like the the lively feel of the CONTI and it really likes to enter the turn and after break in has absolutely improved the handling of the bike over the squishy squirmy PR4GT. I suppose all of the sipes in the all weather design creates movement in the rubber so the Michelin PR4GT cannot stay as planted as the CONTI on dry pavement.

The mileage issue will have to be seen as we rack up the winter/spring miles. I'm planning on going to see my mother in California for a quick turn around from East Texas so we will see if the CONTI can burn the slab. It will be a cold, fast and long southerly route about 6 days and 4,000 miles. I've ridden some 7-800 mile days to prep for the shock of the long first day. The Allroad Rukka Goretex clothing and Gerbings heated gear will be used to maximum effect.

I will try and update the CONTI rear tire upon my return. I am riding with a friend who will try to keep up with me on his 2014 BMW 1600GT lol. Happy New Year 2017!
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Re: Shinko Tire Test - Part 1 and miscellaneous ramblings
« Reply #27 on: January 21, 2017, 11:04:01 pm »
Update on the CONTI-SPORT rear tire: I don't recommend mixing this tire with a Michelin PR4 front. The handling completely changed. It got less stable especially at higher speeds. Turn in is very very quick and it falls into turns almost too quickly at speed. Some of you might say, DUH. But I've never tried mixing brands or types of tires before. The CONTI is also completely different in the wet, as in NOT an all weather tire. I never thought I could FISHTAIL this bike in the wet with the KTRAC but that is incorrect. With a grippy front tire and a sport dry rear tire you have a potential problem on your hand. You can't ride with confidence.

So I'm going to burn this CONTI off with some dry miles and replace this tire and get a full set of tires for the Winter California Run.

The only question now is: At 48,000 miles on the clock what "All Weather" tires will I try on sweet old Connie now? The last PR4 GT rear got over 9,000 and the front is perfectly fine with 12,000. I find the nearest rival the Shinko Verge but I'm not so sure about doing the Dual Compound because of my problems of two bad out of round rear tires that had to be warranteed last year.

Does anyone on the COG have a good high mileage all weather tire to stand up to the almighty Michelin Man?
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Re: Shinko Tire Test - Part 1 and miscellaneous ramblings
« Reply #28 on: January 22, 2017, 01:06:13 pm »
For me nothing has done better than the PR4 for all weather and mileage. 
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Re: Shinko Tire Test - Part 1 and miscellaneous ramblings
« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2017, 11:10:47 am »
I don't know what I was thinking getting talked into this type of tire in Winter. I'm going to try and burn off the CONTI-SPORT rear tire with a 48 hr / 2,000 mile run from Longview, TX - Kansas City - Denver - Sante Fe - El Paso - Longview  during this week's mild weather. Then I am going to try another set of tires
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Re: Shinko Tire Test - Part 1 and miscellaneous ramblings
« Reply #30 on: March 11, 2017, 07:29:02 pm »
SHINKO TIRE TEST update: I ordered a set of Shinko Ravens in factory recommended sizes for my C14 from Revzilla on March 8th for $156 with free shipping. They were bumping my doorstep on evening of March 10th. How can they possibly DO THAT? If they were any faster the tires would get there BEFORE I ordered them.

 eCommerce at it's finest. No wonder Revzilla now have over 300 employees.

I'm excited to see if these tires can stack up to my previous expectations from Shinko. I will roll a few more miles on the MIchelin PR4 front and Continental Sport rear - should have near 50,000 miles on this sweet machine by the time I get these Ravens mounted. I'm going to replace wheel bearings and seals with this tire change.

Questions: Any input/ideas on mileage from Shinko Ravens? What about grip and handling compared to Michelin PR4 GT's?

I've heard the trash talk about how Ravens are terrible for "track days" and "peg dragging". If you all have read this thread you know where I stand on all that. I'm interested in high mileage with decent and predictable handling. Mild manners is good enough for me as long as I don't have to change tires WITH EVERY OIL CHANGE!

The Michelin PR4 GT tires have proven their worth to the point that they lasted longer than any other tire that I have purchased. HOWEVER: It was that much MORE painful when I picked up a screw and punctured the rear PR4 with 1300 miles on it during a multi-state tour last may.

It should be noted that I plugged the hole (it was off center about 2 inches from middle of tire.while on the trip and I proceeded to ride another 8,000 miles on that tire and only replaced it with the current Conti-Sport because I could clearly see the PLUG mark wearing down from the mileage.

So the trouble with buying the best is you may be upset if something unplanned happens. Is the superior handling and mileage worth all that extra money? Only if YOU think so.

I'm a little like the Judge at the PIE EATING CONTEST.

"Don't rush me, I'm still tryin to decide!"

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Re: Shinko Tire Test - Part 1 and miscellaneous ramblings
« Reply #31 on: March 11, 2017, 08:22:39 pm »
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At $156, I'm interested in this one.
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Re: Shinko Tire Test - Part 1 and miscellaneous ramblings
« Reply #32 on: March 11, 2017, 09:32:23 pm »
I loved the Ravens, but like the Verges even more.
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Re: Shinko Tire Test - Part 1 and miscellaneous ramblings
« Reply #33 on: March 11, 2017, 09:50:38 pm »
I get about 6,000 miles out of a rear Raven, Been threw 3 of them & I do change them with maybe another 500-1000 miles left on them. I got 7500 miles out of PR4GT's But they are well over double the price. As far as handling ask anyone who's ridden with me at RTE's, I'm always in the front pack !!!!!!!!!  :motonoises:
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Re: Shinko Tire Test - Part 1 and miscellaneous ramblings
« Reply #34 on: April 07, 2017, 08:32:20 pm »
SHINKO TIRE UPDATE PART 2?
- the $156 PAIR of Shinko Ravens are mounted. Revzilla shipped them to me for free. DLAMA toted the tires to the local Kawa dealer that had messed up the balancing on the previous PR4GT purchase/install. They had messed it up and then charged me to rebalance it later. Well, they just made up for it. The front TPMS Sensor was out so KTPP Extended Warranty paid for the front mounting and balance. Also, supplied them new wheel bearings and seals from Murphs Kits. Also, the front fork seals were out. So I got a front fork rebuild with new fluid. NO CHARGE! KTPP ROCKS.

Let's RECAP (sorry for tire pun). The front tire I just pulled off was a Michelin PR4 GT and it was mounted last April. The bike had Apx 35,500 miles on it. Now we are at 49,840. PR4 front that came off was still smooth and grippy. No real issues. 14,000+ miles is incredible for loaded two up touring front tire and lots of long distance single riding. 42 lbs psi settings, always 😳 in front and rear.  The rear PR4GT got pulled off at about 9,000 miles because it had carried a plug for 7,700 miles and I didn't want to push my luck. (As if 7,700 miles wasn't pushing it 😂 It had some tread life left - estimated 1,000 miles. So the Michelins CAN DO 10,000 miles! And more... for only $565 a set plus mounting...

Now I'm interested to see if I can do 8,000+ miles on these $156 Shinko Ravens. The biggest surprise was that the Conti-Sport was so slippery in the rain. It started showing threads at 5340 miles. Not bad for a $169 tire but the Shinko Ravens at $156 for the PAIR?

💰💰💰Money in the bank and time on my hands. In June we will be going TWO UP to Lake Michigan, via Arkansas, Missouri, Tennessee, Kentucky, eventually to Pennsylvania in June. Will update later...
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Re: Shinko Tire Test - Part 1 and miscellaneous ramblings
« Reply #35 on: April 20, 2017, 04:40:33 pm »
If you're taking requests still, I'd be interested to see how long it takes you to burn off a set of Metzeler Roadtec 01's, and how well they handle wet pavement.

Been contemplating a set.  Decided on a set of Shinko 016 2x's for now.  Bought a jacket at the same time, and the cheaper tires were easier on the wallet, and it's my first first attempt at mounting my own tires, so if I mess it up, I'm messing up a cheap set of tires.

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Re: Shinko Tire Test - Part 1 and miscellaneous ramblings
« Reply #36 on: April 21, 2017, 03:38:58 am »
GIant81, how are the prices on Metzler?
I definitely want to try Metzler. I also envy you getting up the hutzpah to mount your own tires. I'll put those Metzlers on the list after the wife and I go two up on our Circle the Great Lakes trip in June. These Ravens may carry me through summer if all goes as planned. I'm trying to limit my jackrabbit starts to save the back tire but it's so hard to resist!

The Shinko Raven rear is a little flatter profile with sharper corners on the rear. It feels different than any tire I've had so far. Not bad, just different. I went with stock size (not 55 series rear) and you can feel the square edge of the tread when leaning over. It took some adjusting in my turning skills. I like them so far and they were fine in two rain storms (one was 100 miles of a steady rain).

The front tire has the deep groove down the middle and I've read comments about that being a nuisance on ridged pavement and other asphalt cracks causing the tire to steer along the uneven surface. After a few hundred miles of mixed roads I'm not finding this to be an issue.

So far, $156 WELL SPENT.



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Re: Shinko Tire Test - Part 1 and miscellaneous ramblings
« Reply #37 on: April 21, 2017, 03:01:54 pm »
Looks like a set of Roadtec 01's will run you about $341 on revzilla.  And I think they have a $40 rebate going now so $300 a set for the 55 series rear in an HWM version.

I have a friend of mine that used to bust tires all day at a local farm supply store.  Haven't done motorcycle tires, but after watching the MC garage video on it, I feel it's something I can tackle.

I'm sure he makes it look easy, and it's going to take me all day, but since I only paid like $100 bur all the gear to do it, won't take me many times mounting my own to make that money back. 

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Re: Shinko Tire Test - Part 1 and miscellaneous ramblings
« Reply #38 on: April 23, 2017, 03:03:10 am »
CW, Do you get more miles out of Verges than Ravens? What is it about the Verges that you like better? I've had several sets of Verges and liked them fine until I ran into a quality control issue and got 3 bad rear tires in a row. That's when I bought the Michelins and set my personal best mileage on a set of PR4GT's.
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