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tire changer
« on: September 11, 2018, 10:15:53 pm »
 My front Tps is flashing a low battery warning .  after looking into how to replace the battery ( I had is done a couple years ago ) I wanna be able to do it my self  with our running to a dealer or shop to have my tire  broke down . and I would rather buy and change my own tires .  What changer do you guys suggest?
 Not looking to break the bank but I would like a decent trouble free unit.
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Re: tire changer
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2018, 10:47:20 pm »
Can’t go wrong with a No-Mar.
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Re: tire changer
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2018, 10:56:44 pm »
Thanks Staylo.  After posting this I started looking .. the harbor freight on looks like junk. No mar is a better machine.  back in the day we would break the bead using a bumper jack and then work the tire off with spoons. probably still doable but  I dont have a bumper jack  :))   or spoons
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Re: tire changer
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2018, 10:58:20 pm »
Trying to think of a way to break the bead and get to the TPS while wheel is still on the bike  . I know I read someone did it I just havent found that thread yet .
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Re: tire changer
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2018, 11:06:58 pm »
I have the HF changer/motorcycle adapter/No Mar Mojo blocks and arm.
Works for me.

I also have a 2 x 6 frame/tire irons and muscle.
  Also works for me, but the HF does the job, doesn't break the bank, {and it also does Model T Fort Tires} .  :great:

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Re: tire changer
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2018, 11:23:54 pm »
Strum, you buy a No-Mar and you're going to have LOTS of SE friends "dropping by..."  :))
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Re: tire changer
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2018, 11:27:20 pm »
Strum, you buy a No-Mar and you're going to have LOTS of SE friends "dropping by..."  :))

thats what im afraid of  :nananana: not really yall welcome any time you know that
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Re: tire changer
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2018, 11:30:22 pm »
 :))

Thanks!
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Re: tire changer
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2018, 11:57:42 pm »
seriously looking at the motion pro bread breakers and a tire iron .  any one use these?
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Re: tire changer
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2018, 12:43:58 pm »
seriously looking at the motion pro bread breakers and a tire iron .  any one use these?

Don't know anything about the motion pro bead breaker. Mine is homemade & works great. Some quality spoons do the job just fine. The yellow thingy from no mar is a major help though, highly recommend it. Having been thru 35+ sets of tires I don't find it a big deal to spoon them on. It just takes the right technique, just as a tire changer does.

I've considered a tire changer in the past. After watching many no mar demos at rally's, it just doesn't appear any easier or quicker. I'll just stick to spoons!

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Re: tire changer
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2018, 01:00:21 pm »
Thats kind of where im at Cliff . I dont see me really needing a $1000 machine just to do an occasional tire job.  really i just want to get to my TPS and that Motion pro bead brakes look to be a slick tool. im thinking with that , an extra spoon , and a rim protector i can get er done.

 here is the tool im speaking of

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZCR_TtjMS4

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Re: tire changer
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2018, 01:19:36 pm »
I can vouch for Cliff's abilities with his set up.
He can do a tire change in minutes..
Amazing!!

I worked with him on a few tires, and built a copy of his tire changing frame.
Used it for the last tire changes..
Unfortunately: I'm a bit older/stiffer/{but, better looking  :nananana:}, and also do Model T Ford Tires, so I'll probably go back to my HF changer.

Do get him to post a photo of his home built bead breaker.
I have an old automotive bead breaker. His breaker work's far better than my current set up.

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Re: tire changer
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2018, 01:54:21 pm »
 I  ordered the Motion pro tool , extra spoon , rim protectors, and a balancing stand.  Ill let yall know how this all works when i get it in .
   Replacement batteries and the tools puts me at around $120 . Thats a big discount vs buying new TPSs. And  having to mess with dealers. And doing my own tire changes will more than pay for the tools.
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Re: tire changer
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2018, 03:33:05 pm »
jwh has the No mAR and the yellow thingie. Watched him do a few and have been impressed by how slick that thing is. Does well with the Michelins and Angels he spooned on for me. He is pretty good at the TPMS batteries as well as they both needed changed out.  Pays to lay the tires in the sun before putting them on.

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Re: tire changer
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2018, 07:52:19 pm »
I have the HF changer/motorcycle adapter/No Mar blocks and arm.
Works for me.

I also have a 2 x 6 frame/tire irons and muscle.
  Also works for me, but the HF does the job, doesn't break the bank, {and it also does Model T Fort Tires} .  :great:

Ride safe, Ted

I could never spend the money on a NoMar, after modifying a couple H/F setups with blocks that fit...
( I have to correct TED, on the blocks, they ain't NoMar, they are called MojoBlocks)
https://www.mojotiretools.com/mojoblocks.htm

I actually made blocks from HDPE thick cutting boards, which worked perfectly.. on the H/F.
and never needed any other bead breaker than what comes on the H/F base already...


as for the answer to the original question, about getting to the TPS without removing perfectly good tires, 2 good "C" clamps will pop that bead easily, and squeeze the tire together,  so you can access the TPS...  I believe Brian ( BDF) actually photo'd this with a tire actually still on the bike.... You don't have to peel the tire off the rim to remove the sensor...

why spend a bunch of money, to pop a bead, to replace the TPS battery eludes my reasoning...
At $600+ and shipping for the bottom end NoMar, vs a H/F, with Mojo Blocks, and Mojo Lever... @ maybe $250 total...(half of that cost is the Mojo lever), you have to change a lot of tires to recoup the cost of the big buck NoMar.
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Re: tire changer
« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2018, 08:01:34 pm »
MOB this is the answer i was looking for.  I ordered the tools any way but if i can get to it like you said  then thats the ticket.  I have all kinds of clamps here so do i use like a small piece of plywood in between  the clamp(s) and tire?
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Re: tire changer
« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2018, 08:26:14 pm »
MOB this is the answer i was looking for.  I ordered the tools any way but if i can get to it like you said  then thats the ticket.  I have all kinds of clamps here so do i use like a small piece of plywood in between  the clamp(s) and tire?

can't remember, but the clamps will break the bead,
let me find BDF's post with his pictures... might be on the 'other' site....
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Re: tire changer
« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2018, 08:26:50 pm »
Gpink sent me link BDF posted with photos. now I get it .  Sorry MOB he beat you to it  ;)

http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=16850.0
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Re: tire changer
« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2018, 08:53:31 pm »
...I worked with him on a few tires, and built a copy of his tire changing frame.
Used it for the last tire changes..
Unfortunately: I'm a bit older/stiffer/{but, better looking  :nananana:}, and also do Model T Ford Tires, so I'll probably go back to my HF changer.

Dang...I didn't knowed Ted used Model T Ford tires on his C14.
How well do they work in the twisties?

I see them going for only $80 a tire.

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Re: tire changer
« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2018, 09:01:49 pm »
why spend a bunch of money, to pop a bead, to replace the TPS battery eludes my reasoning...
At $600+ and shipping for the bottom end NoMar, vs a H/F, with Mojo Blocks, and Mojo Lever... @ maybe $250 total...(half of that cost is the Mojo lever), you have to change a lot of tires to recoup the cost of the big buck NoMar.


Why? Because he WANTS, to. Besides, Strum's got PLENTY of money.... He's a bidness man....He'll figure out some way to "write it off" his bowling alley.   :-\  Maybe call it a No-Mar pin polisher or sumthing... ;)
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« Reply #20 on: September 12, 2018, 09:10:43 pm »
Gpink sent me link BDF posted with photos. now I get it .  Sorry MOB he beat you to it  ;)

http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=16850.0


cool....
I got sidetracked...(shiny squirrel...), and only came up with this anyways...
http://forum.cog-online.org/concours-14-zg1400-general-chat-and-tech/tpms-battery-questions/msg635404/#msg635404

his other post should be added to some sticky place, for future use, as this comes up all the time...
 :great: :great:

I added it to our archives, for future use, Thanks Brian, great job... :great: :great:

http://forum.cog-online.org/wheels-tires-suspension-and-brakes-64/

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Re: tire changer
« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2018, 09:50:30 pm »
 I have one of these also I think this would work very well because its very easy to control pressure on and off
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Re: tire changer
« Reply #22 on: September 13, 2018, 02:11:43 am »
I bought the harbor freight. As crappy as it is it still works. Definitely needs the blocks, I bought the awesome no mar bar. A spray bottle and a tub of tire lube and you're all set.

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Re: tire changer
« Reply #23 on: September 15, 2018, 07:52:26 pm »
 Ok it was success!!  I got the tools and batteries in so I went for it. I didnt do the "on the bike method"
 I took the wheel off and the motion pro bead breakers did the job as advertised . very easy to use . I can see where these will go with me on long trips for sure.  So I  got the sensor off and apart to find one of the solder joints was broken (cold joint)  Thats why it would work intermediately.  I cleaned  the sensor leg  and re-soldered it . The battery read 3.35 volts so I decided to use it and save my new ones for the next tire change.  Back together and its reading correct now.
 I can see where these things have to be soldered well and I may use a different type of battery next time or try some stranded wire because it really needs a mechanical connection as well as solder.
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