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TPMS Wheel Sensor
« on: March 16, 2018, 02:20:56 pm »
I had one wheel transmitter replaced under warranty.  Is there a way to tell the ones with replaceable batteries from the newer design from the outside?  I like the TPMS system, but not enough to buy 2 $200 transmitters.  If both are replaceable, I'll get new batteries. 
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Re: TPMS Wheel Sensor
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2018, 05:45:47 pm »
Yes the stem is visibly different. I have seen comparative pics online somewhere. The old style stem has a round cross section. If I recall correctly the new style stem has a hex section.

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Re: TPMS Wheel Sensor
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2018, 04:09:33 pm »
This is the rear.  The front looks the same.  I guess you mean the base is hexagonal?  These have a pair of flats. 

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Re: TPMS Wheel Sensor
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2018, 07:34:30 pm »
This is the rear.  The front looks the same.  I guess you mean the base is hexagonal?  These have a pair of flats.

That pic is the old style, the one that can be cracked open and you can remove and solder in a new battery...

The new style is longer, cylendrical, and has a hex on it, those are the sealed and potted version type II

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Re: TPMS Wheel Sensor
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2018, 07:42:17 pm »
This is the rear.  The front looks the same.  I guess you mean the base is hexagonal?  These have a pair of flats.

That pic is the old style, the one that can be cracked open and you can remove and solder in a new battery...

The new style is longer, cylendrical, and has a hex on it, those are the sealed and potted version type II
Oh so what they really did is take something that was problematic and make it even more so, when what they should have done is make the damn battery replaceable. >:(
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Re: TPMS Wheel Sensor
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2018, 09:15:56 pm »
This is the rear.  The front looks the same.  I guess you mean the base is hexagonal?  These have a pair of flats.

That pic is the old style, the one that can be cracked open and you can remove and solder in a new battery...

The new style is longer, cylendrical, and has a hex on it, those are the sealed and potted version type II
Oh so what they really did is take something that was problematic and make it even more so, when what they should have done is make the damn battery replaceable. >:(

Well, in realistic terms,.yeah...
But, we have been aware of this all in the gen 1 version for over 10 years now, and the gen 2 version for 5 years...
Its kind of the chink in the armor so to speak, of the perfection of the bike at hand... forcing some income from owners downstream, without recourse.
I will note tho, the gen 2 model, which is potted, does have some semblence of reasoning behind its design;
The battery used in it has double the ampacity of the gen 1, is twice as thick physically, has a higher temperature rating, and when potted as it is, in place, the temperature along with the ratings, should have a much better track record over a gen 1, by reducing the chance of failure on the circuit board, due to the increased mass of that battery.
Every customer is different, there are those that buy the bike, and within a week have purchased bar risers, peg lowerers, new seats, windshields, and exhausts, and numerousnfarkles totaling half the price they just paid for the bike... and then, sell it off in 3-4 years...
Or, those that bought it, put tires and oil/fluid changes in it, and replaced things that wear out, planning to keep it for many years, as delivered, with minimal cost out of pocket... :motonoises: :beerchug:

Either way, nothing will be done to rectify the issue unless every single buyer contacts Kaw, and voices their big noise, to create a sensor that has a replacable battery, a user servicable maintainence, just like brake pads and light bulbs... but sadly, nobody steps up, and stays on their back about the issue... they simply complain, to tired and deaf ears, about the dilemma... :'( >:( :??: :-[ :-[

So, make your demands known to KAW... do it repeatedly, every single ownernshould... maybe they will listen, maybe not, but at least the voice will be spoken, and the outcome? Well, whatever it is, it is a step in a positive direction. :great:
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Re: TPMS Wheel Sensor
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2018, 09:32:05 pm »
This is the rear.  The front looks the same.  I guess you mean the base is hexagonal?  These have a pair of flats.

That pic is the old style, the one that can be cracked open and you can remove and solder in a new battery...

The new style is longer, cylendrical, and has a hex on it, those are the sealed and potted version type II
Oh so what they really did is take something that was problematic and make it even more so, when what they should have done is make the damn battery replaceable. >:(

Well, in realistic terms,.yeah...
But, we have been aware of this all in the gen 1 version for over 10 years now, and the gen 2 version for 5 years...
Its kind of the chink in the armor so to speak, of the perfection of the bike at hand... forcing some income from owners downstream, without recourse.
I will note tho, the gen 2 model, which is potted, does have some semblence of reasoning behind its design;
The battery used in it has double the ampacity of the gen 1, is twice as thick physically, has a higher temperature rating, and when potted as it is, in place, the temperature along with the ratings, should have a much better track record over a gen 1, by reducing the chance of failure on the circuit board, due to the increased mass of that battery.
Yeh bet it isn't just these bikes it is TPMS across the board. Every vehicle I have ever owned with TPMS it has proven to be a nightmare they are all the same. I need to take my 2016 C-14 in to warranty the TPMS and I just bought the bike last year at the end of the season, it only has 1,300 miles on it hell it's not even broke in yet.
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Re: TPMS Wheel Sensor
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2018, 09:51:40 pm »
This is the rear.  The front looks the same.  I guess you mean the base is hexagonal?  These have a pair of flats.


That pic is the old style, the one that can be cracked open and you can remove and solder in a new battery...

The new style is longer, cylendrical, and has a hex on it, those are the sealed and potted version type II

Oh so what they really did is take something that was problematic and make it even more so, when what they should have done is make the damn battery replaceable. >:(


Well, in realistic terms,.yeah...
But, we have been aware of this all in the gen 1 version for over 10 years now, and the gen 2 version for 5 years...
Its kind of the chink in the armor so to speak, of the perfection of the bike at hand... forcing some income from owners downstream, without recourse.
I will note tho, the gen 2 model, which is potted, does have some semblence of reasoning behind its design;
The battery used in it has double the ampacity of the gen 1, is twice as thick physically, has a higher temperature rating, and when potted as it is, in place, the temperature along with the ratings, should have a much better track record over a gen 1, by reducing the chance of failure on the circuit board, due to the increased mass of that battery.

Yeh bet it isn't just these bikes it is TPMS across the board. Every vehicle I have ever owned with TPMS it has proven to be a nightmare they are all the same. I need to take my 2016 C-14 in to warranty the TPMS and I just bought the bike last year at the end of the season, it only has 1,300 miles on it hell it's not even broke in yet.


Yep, its a bummer for sure, fact is, your sensors were likely manufactured in 2013-2014 making them old by proxy, bad scene...
But, warranty foversnit, so smile... and don't let the warranty expire....
Kind of the messege I was attemting to make in this post
http://forum.cog-online.org/concours-14-zg1400-general-chat-and-tech/let-my-warranty-expire-today/msg630615/#msg630615

2 sensors, and KDS and tech time for programming out of pocket sucks.

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Re: TPMS Wheel Sensor
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2018, 04:59:30 pm »
So, why can't we use an affordable automotive unit like this $26 unit for my Miata?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001UC8WMA/?coliid=I29Z1EDLPK1AUE&colid=1FBH4AP7J8P5G&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it


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Re: TPMS Wheel Sensor
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2018, 02:39:43 pm »

Isn't the question really are the new sensors more reliable and do the batteries last longer. All of my cages have sensors on them and I don't worry about whether or not I can take them apart and jury rig a battery when the original battery wears out and in fact I have never had a sensor battery on a car need to be replaced. I bought the extended warranty and when the sensor batteries on my 2012 C14 became problematic this spring, I had them replaced with the new style. It was highly unlikely that I would have taken the time and trouble to replace the batteries on the old sensors so they would last another 5 years. And, with my luck, if I had done a replacement of the batteries after I got the tires remounted and could check the units the chances were that at least one of them wouldn't work and I would be tearing the tire down again to fix my defective work. Mother Kawa's pricing on the replacements is another issue and I understand that but that is out of our control. Just my 2 cents worth.

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Re: TPMS Wheel Sensor
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2018, 05:39:19 pm »
Actually, the pricing is the issue.  The battery powered transmitters I've had in cars have lasted about 8 years and cost $65 to replace.  They do not have to be keyed to the car, either.

A transmitter that lasted 5 years, cost $65 (not $200) and could be user replaced, would be just fine. 
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Re: TPMS Wheel Sensor
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2018, 11:58:44 pm »
So, why can't we use an affordable automotive unit like this $26 unit for my Miata?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001UC8WMA/?coliid=I29Z1EDLPK1AUE&colid=1FBH4AP7J8P5G&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it


The problem is that these are not compatible with the C14.  In other words, they don't speak the C14's language.  So you could install them in the wheels but they would never be seen by the bike's computer and you would never register a tire pressure, except perhaps on a passing Mazda!
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Re: TPMS Wheel Sensor
« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2018, 02:58:28 am »
Actually, the pricing is the issue.  The battery powered transmitters I've had in cars have lasted about 8 years and cost $65 to replace.  They do not have to be keyed to the car, either.

A transmitter that lasted 5 years, cost $65 (not $200) and could be user replaced, would be just fine.

Amen.

My Nissan Titan truck sensors are 13 years old on the same batteries still. I can replace them for around $30 - $40 a pop.
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