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160/70-17 on Meanstreak Wheel
« on: February 02, 2012, 01:49:37 pm »
Mounted the new tires about 400 miles ago.  Originally I had a 170/60-17 and was pleased, but of course, it increased the RPMs and lowered the clearance a bit.  I decided to try the 160/70-17 to improve those parts.

One thing I noticed and wanted to solicit some thoughts from the group.  After just 400 miles, and not riding aggressive at this point, I've noticed I still have about 1/4 inch chicken strip on the front, but on the rear, I'm already riding at the edge of the tread.  I'm thinking perhaps the width of the meanstreak rim changes the profile of the 160 width that it's not offering as much of a lean angle as on a bit narrower rim?????  has anyone been using a 160 and noticed anything similar or different???


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Re: 160/70-17 on Meanstreak Wheel
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2012, 02:02:49 pm »
I'm using the same set-up except its a Kosman modded rim on the rear with the Avon 160/70-17. I've noticed the same thing also. I can ride the rear tire to the edge but on the front theres still 1/4" left. Theres no way I could ride the front tire to its edge. I think thats the narrow front rim 3" pulling the tire together too much. I plan on mounting a 110/80-18 next time to help counter this. Mark
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Re: 160/70-17 on Meanstreak Wheel
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2012, 02:06:36 pm »
Interesting thought Mark.  I'm running a 120/70-18 on the front.  I'm not overly concerned about having a chicken strip there, but just for comparison to the rear, the profiles don't appear to match up well.

I'm a more aggressive rider and thinking I need more performance out of the rear, but the front is still capable of more.  Hmmmmm.....

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Re: 160/70-17 on Meanstreak Wheel
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2012, 02:12:58 pm »
SR Dave: Is there a down side to the front having more margin than the rear?

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Re: 160/70-17 on Meanstreak Wheel
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2012, 02:16:53 pm »
I'm not an expert when it comes to tires, but my thoughts are that having the front and rear matching closely in tread usage would give you the best front to rear handling/traction consistency.  In my case, I'm wanting to get more usage from the rear.  I don't scrape my knee on the connie, but I've been known to scrape hard parts occasionally.  :)

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Re: 160/70-17 on Meanstreak Wheel
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2012, 02:30:53 pm »
FYI, according to Avon's charts, the recommended rim width for both sizes is 4.5 inch, so either of the sizes will be spread out by the 5 inch Mean Streak wheel.  I have 17" wheel front and rear, with a 120/70 front mounted on the recommended rim width and a 170/60 on a Mean Streak rear, and I also have chicken strips on the front but none on the rear.  I think this is just the nature of running the wider-than-recommended wheel on the rear.
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Re: 160/70-17 on Meanstreak Wheel
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2012, 02:33:58 pm »
That's good info Gary, thanks.  For reference, I mounted Bridgestone BT 023's. 

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Re: 160/70-17 on Meanstreak Wheel
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2012, 02:34:42 pm »
I'm not an expert when it comes to tires, but my thoughts are that having the front and rear matching closely in tread usage would give you the best front to rear handling/traction consistency.  In my case, I'm wanting to get more usage from the rear.  :)

I would agree with your thoughts also. But I think its the narrow front rim thats throwing things off. The 120/70-18 in order to have the proper profile should be on a 3.5' rim. It works OK on our 3" rim but others have tried the narrower tire (110) and felt that it performs better on our rim. You get quicker turn in and a tire profile that would better match the rear. Mark
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Re: 160/70-17 on Meanstreak Wheel
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2012, 02:39:54 pm »
I just saw Gary's post about the recommended 4.5" rear rim. This is actually what my Kosman rim width is. So I guess I'm good to go with that aspect. Mark
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Re: 160/70-17 on Meanstreak Wheel
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2012, 02:41:27 pm »
Just some more food for thought, the recommended rim width for the 110/80-18 is 2.5", so the 110 is flattened out a bit on the Connie's 3" front rim, which means the 110 may have less of a chicken strip than the 120.  Personally, I like having more chicken strip on the front than in the rear  ;)
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Re: 160/70-17 on Meanstreak Wheel
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2012, 02:46:17 pm »
my sport bikes run that way too Gary.  I'm not hung up on the fact that there's a chicken strip on the front as much as the rear 160 seeming more mis-matched to the front.  I'm trying to avoid spending more money on the 17 inch front upgrade, but Gary is not helping any!   :beerchug:  :nananana:

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Re: 160/70-17 on Meanstreak Wheel
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2012, 02:56:23 pm »
my sport bikes run that way too Gary.  I'm not hung up on the fact that there's a chicken strip on the front as much as the rear 160 seeming more mis-matched to the front.  I'm trying to avoid spending more money on the 17 inch front upgrade, but Gary is not helping any!   :beerchug:  :nananana:


Oh heck, why not go for the whole package  >:D

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Re: 160/70-17 on Meanstreak Wheel
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2012, 03:00:52 pm »
I know...I know.  and CRocker has a complete setup for sale right now.  You guys are killing me!   >:(

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Re: 160/70-17 on Meanstreak Wheel
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2012, 03:01:52 pm »
+1 for USD forks. If I'm gonna spend a bunch of money and go through all that trouble of converting, I at least want them to look different!  :rotflmao:
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Re: 160/70-17 on Meanstreak Wheel
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2012, 04:30:02 pm »
I've noticed the same thing (chicken strip disparity). I don't lose any sleep over it since I lost the last bit of rear C.S. on a pair of back-to-back, left-right 100mph sweepers with both tires (Storm 2 Ultras, 17" F/R) sticking like super glue and handling as if on rails. This was a max-out cornering episode and I was convinced the bike had more capability to go but I was at my personal limit. This was with a full touring load BTW.

I'm cool with this setup.

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Re: 160/70-17 on Meanstreak Wheel
« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2012, 04:32:57 pm »
I know...I know.  and CRocker has a complete setup for sale right now.  You guys are killing me!   >:(


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Re: 160/70-17 on Meanstreak Wheel
« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2012, 08:30:49 pm »
You guys should be ashamed of yourself. Teasing the poor guy like that.  :P
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Re: 160/70-17 on Meanstreak Wheel
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2012, 02:51:08 am »
POKE POKE




But back to the 160/70 tire problem...

MAN AM I TORQUED! 

I went to 17's to increase my tire selections in performance rubber.  All I had for a rear that I could use before was the Avon Azaro.  At first and until now I have run the 170/60 and have been OK with them, but thought the taller 160/70 would be nice.  WEll... meantime nearly everyone has dropped THAT size in performance rubber.  Cruiser and Harley tires?  Sure.  Sport bike tires? Fugedaboutit.
I wanted to slap on some of my favorite Michelins, but only if I stick with 170/60s.  If you want a matched set of 17s, the only performance game is the Storm 2. Nuttin' else at all.  So, now my choices are Avons or a different size. Poooo!

Now my only option is a 7th gear if I want to change the revs... there just is no tire size choice that will get me at least back close to the stock rev range.
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Re: 160/70-17 on Meanstreak Wheel
« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2012, 03:08:53 am »
Rev,

The Bridgeston BT023 and the Metzler Z6 are both "sport touring" radials, and are available in the 160/70 size, so there is still some choice, though I agree it would be nice to have more.  I have read some good reviews of the Metzlers, and Sport Rider is running the Bridgestones, so he should be able to say how well they work on the C10.  I have a set of the Avons 160's I'm looking forward to trying, maybe I can mount them up for the National.   ;)
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Re: 160/70-17 on Meanstreak Wheel
« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2012, 04:58:45 am »
Yes, both of those tires are Sport-Touring radials, but both are Sport-Touring Radials... emphasis on Touring and mileage rather than Sport.  THe Avon Storm is the only Sport oriented tire though with each new iteration (II and now Ultra) it becomes more Touring oriented.  Soon... nada Sport in that size. 
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Re: 160/70-17 on Meanstreak Wheel
« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2012, 10:55:07 am »
Hey Rev, I heard of this mod you can do to get more tire choices, and get the rev where you want it, gives you an 18" front and 16" rear, all you need are a few parts from a Concours, and I just happen to have some extras I'll swap you...  :beerchug:
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Re: 160/70-17 on Meanstreak Wheel
« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2012, 12:56:41 pm »
Hey Rev, I heard of this mod you can do to get more tire choices, and get the rev where you want it, gives you an 18" front and 16" rear, all you need are a few parts from a Concours, and I just happen to have some extras I'll swap you...  :beerchug:

Noooooooooo,,,, Rev don't do it!!!    >:(

I'm closer. Swap with me!

Heck I'll even come by and do the swap for you so ya don't have to get yer hands dirty.

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Re: 160/70-17 on Meanstreak Wheel
« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2012, 01:26:26 pm »
Hey Rev, I heard of this mod you can do to get more tire choices, and get the rev where you want it, gives you an 18" front and 16" rear, all you need are a few parts from a Concours, and I just happen to have some extras I'll swap you...  :beerchug:

Hmmm!  Almost sounds too good to be true.   ;)


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I'm closer. Swap with me!

Heck I'll even come by and do the swap for you so ya don't have to get yer hands dirty.

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OK, Sure Ted come on over.  I got some stuff I'll swap ya.   >:D
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Re: 160/70-17 on Meanstreak Wheel
« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2012, 03:46:28 pm »
Yes, both of those tires are Sport-Touring radials, but both are Sport-Touring Radials... emphasis on Touring and mileage rather than Sport.  THe Avon Storm is the only Sport oriented tire though with each new iteration (II and now Ultra) it becomes more Touring oriented.  Soon... nada Sport in that size.

Well, the 160/70 size is specific to the Honda ST1100 so yes, it is more oriented towards touring than sport. It is also not broad based as far as model applications which probably explains the limited choices in this size. But I have experienced no downsides to this intended application, the Storm 2 Ultra has more sporting credentials than I will ever be able to experience even though I have been known to hit the corners hard and fast at times.

If I decide to enter my third childhood stage as an adult and decide to raise my pegs a few inches because I keep grinding them off, I will have no problem going to a 170/60 to go along with the turbo and nitrous.

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Re: 160/70-17 on Meanstreak Wheel
« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2012, 03:57:41 pm »
I will add that the 160/70 is also stock on the K1200LT and some Harleys, which are also on the touring side of the spectrum.  Like I said, it would be nice if there were more selection, but I'm not interested in a pure sport tire, so I don't mind that the selection is what it is.  Besides, I may end up really liking the Avon, and not need any more selection, anyway.  After that, I'll probably have a C14   :)

JMHO
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