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Avon Storm 3D X-M radials -- any experience?
« on: February 19, 2016, 05:04:28 pm »
Hey, guys,

Going to be looking at new tires in the next month or three.  I know that for a long time one of the recommended combos was Avon Storm/Azaro for front and rear.  Did a little research today and found that the Avon Storm 3D X-M radials are available in a 110/80-ZR18 and 150-80-ZR16 combo, so it looks like I can get a matched set (conventional wisdom on the forum seems to be that a 110/80-18 tire will fit just fine on the stock late-model C10 rims up front).  Anyone have any experience with these?  I'm looking to get at least 6,000 miles out of a set.

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Re: Avon Storm 3D X-M radials -- any experience?
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2016, 05:41:22 pm »
I've run the Avons since day one and love them. I just replaced a old azaro rear with a new
3D this past fall but haven't been able to put a bunch of miles on it. It's a nice tire for our
New England pavement and works well in the wet & cold. I'm a easy rider and got 11k out
of the old style rear tire so I hope to get the same or more out of the 3D rear.
The 110/80-18 is the correct size for the Connie front rim and it handles very well.

Good luck and let us know you mileage and pavement for future reference.  :motonoises:
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Re: Avon Storm 3D X-M radials -- any experience?
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2016, 07:11:23 pm »
Have them front and rear on my C10.
Very good and seem to wear better than the Azaro rear.
Front is not as confidence inspiring in the wet as the PR3 it replaced was but has not let go on me yet.  :)
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Re: Avon Storm 3D X-M radials -- any experience?
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2016, 07:21:06 pm »
Cool, thanks, guys!  It seems like the Avons are one of the only options for a matched front-and-rear set that I can find.  Good to know they seem like pretty solid choices.
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Re: Avon Storm 3D X-M radials -- any experience?
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2016, 11:00:52 pm »
I just had some mounted, and I'm a little perplexed... the bike "wobbles" at high speeds. That's the best way i can describe it. I was getting ready to post a thread looking for advice, when I saw this one.
The bike is way more responsive than previously, and I kind of like it.
Up to about 70 MPH, it tracks well, but then things start to change. The faster, the more noticeable it is. If there the air isn't clean, it's worse.
I've checked air pressure. Started at 42/42, then went to 38 psi front, 42 psi rear, but no change. I made sure the rear shock was not set too high pressure, bearings all feel tight, rotating tires they seem to be round (not being funny, but did not see any noticeable runout), and so on. It tracks straight, it just wobbles side to side, like on a metal grate bridge.
Any ideas?

Thanks,

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Re: Avon Storm 3D X-M radials -- any experience?
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2016, 02:14:57 am »


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Re: Avon Storm 3D X-M radials -- any experience?
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2016, 02:24:27 am »
Jorge,

When was the last time you adjusted the steering stem bearings? It seems that the bearings need to be
fairly snug when running the Avons and that should help a lot. The dirty air will always be a problem
with Avons and I think it has to do with the tire profiles. I would also keep the tire pressures up at the
42 psi not down in the 30's.

Good luck and let us know what helps you.  :motonoises:
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Re: Avon Storm 3D X-M radials -- any experience?
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2016, 03:04:07 am »
I just had some mounted, and I'm a little perplexed... the bike "wobbles" at high speeds. That's the best way i can describe it. I was getting ready to post a thread looking for advice, when I saw this one.
The bike is way more responsive than previously, and I kind of like it.
Up to about 70 MPH, it tracks well, but then things start to change. The faster, the more noticeable it is. If there the air isn't clean, it's worse.
I've checked air pressure. Started at 42/42, then went to 38 psi front, 42 psi rear, but no change. I made sure the rear shock was not set too high pressure, bearings all feel tight, rotating tires they seem to be round (not being funny, but did not see any noticeable runout), and so on. It tracks straight, it just wobbles side to side, like on a metal grate bridge.
Any ideas?

Thanks,

Jorge
 
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Re: Avon Storm 3D X-M radials -- any experience?
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2016, 10:00:06 am »
I put a set on last fall and only have out on 4,000 miles but they handle very well on my 05. I haven't had any high speed issues with them and seem to handle wet weather and heat well.

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« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2016, 01:19:45 am »
Thanks Steve... in other words... man up and live with it! :??:
Answer to several others:
- Adjusted steering bearings a few thousand miles ago (maybe 6K?). I agree with Bergman and snugged them a very small amount (maybe 1/16 turn) to preload when unloaded, so they'd be with the minimum play when loaded.
- windshield is a OE cut down about 7-9"; air hits me at armpit height.
- I've experienced the "Connie Salsa" when passing semis, but this is different. It happens when trucks are hundred feet ahead of me, maybe a little more.
- running the 110/80 in front; I wish I'd gotten the 120/70 since it sounds like it would have reduced it, and my previous 120/70 Storm 2 was great.

I'll try 42 psi again and compare.

Other than this, I love them. It reminded me of my brothers CBF1000R in how quickly it turned in :great:

Thanks for the advice guys.

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Re: Avon Storm 3D X-M radials -- any experience?
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2016, 05:05:14 pm »
Did you see if you have a broken motor mount?
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Re: Avon Storm 3D X-M radials -- any experience?
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2016, 11:56:49 pm »
Yup... mounts are good. I did have broken ones some months ago, but replaced with high strength bolts and they are still there, nice and tight.
The change was with the new tires. All was OK with Storm 2 front & Commander II rear. Took to Steve's for his stuff, including installing the new tires (some tools still AWOL after the move to FL), and it was like this... maybe I should blame Steve :truce:  - just kidding.
Downpours today, and tomorrow may not get to ride, so I'll see how it does on the way to the RWTBF rally. Not enough to worry me, and while it does the dance, it doesn't seem to be unstable, and seems to track OK. I'll need to keep the speeds down anyway because Irene and I will be riding together not taking I95.
Probably not riding to work tomorrow because the circus is in full swing. POTUS is visiting our plant Friday, and parking is very tight, so I'll be taking the truck so I can go over the curb and park on the grass safely. amazing the amount of prep that goes on ahead of such a visit.
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Re: Avon Storm 3D X-M radials -- any experience?
« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2016, 12:08:07 am »
jorge, you're right with the 110. it has more contact than the 120. the issue is coming from the rear tire. we'll talk, I'll be seeing you in a couple weeks anyway. Steve
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Re: Avon Storm 3D X-M radials -- any experience?
« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2016, 02:31:24 pm »
I just ordered up a pair of X-Ms from this place for about the lowest price I found $263.59 for the pair. 
http://www.americanmototire.com/catalog/
Cheesy web site, I hope the service it good.

Denis Kirk had a buck lower price but was out of stock on the front I think.
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Re: Avon Storm 3D X-M radials -- any experience?
« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2016, 12:05:37 am »
I've got 2,000 miles on mine and I'm not impressed. Both tires are cupped and at low speeds 20-30 the bike moves like Shakira's hips - side to side. My Eclipse tank bag sways back and forth, and at certain speeds it almost creates a sort of dizziness. We've been riding two up with a maximum load of stuff, and looks like again Avon is leaving me sort of worried on a trip in Mexico. (The rear tire went out of round 2 years ago in Mexico). At higher speeds all is good... or so I think.
Next time I'm buying tires it won't be Avon.

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Re: Avon Storm 3D X-M radials -- any experience?
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2016, 11:04:11 am »
The rear tire, when spinning in gear on the center stand has a 3/4" side to side wobble. We made it the 500 miles back to the border - keeping the speed under 85mph since I know little about tire construction and failure (but thoughts of Ford Explorer/ Firestone blowouts kept me from going any faster).
Once safely home, I weighed our stuff - top case, saddle bags, and all contents- just shy of 100 pounds. Me and the wife, 360 pounds. 460 pounds total, plus gas in the tank.
I can't find weight carrying capacities of the tires anywhere but it seems like we should have been OK.
The same exact failure occurred in 2014 with Avon Azaro and I found a replacement in Mexico - Pirelli Route 1 bias tire that performed flawlessly with the same weight and bad roads.
Any suggestions?????

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Re: Avon Storm 3D X-M radials -- any experience?
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2016, 11:38:52 am »
At 460 lbs., you are exceeding the design capacity of the C-10 (440 lbs.)  Not saying that is the cause, just an observation.  I suspect that the max load figure is conservative anyway.   

No advice to offer, but there has to be a major flaw with the tire, wheel or mounting.  No way should be seeing that much wobble.  I'll stay tuned to hear what you find. 

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Re: Avon Storm 3D X-M radials -- any experience?
« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2016, 12:48:25 pm »
The rear tire, when spinning in gear on the center stand has a 3/4" side to side wobble. We made it the 500 miles back to the border - keeping the speed under 85mph since I know little about tire construction and failure (but thoughts of Ford Explorer/ Firestone blowouts kept me from going any faster).
Once safely home, I weighed our stuff - top case, saddle bags, and all contents- just shy of 100 pounds. Me and the wife, 360 pounds. 460 pounds total, plus gas in the tank.
I can't find weight carrying capacities of the tires anywhere but it seems like we should have been OK.
The same exact failure occurred in 2014 with Avon Azaro and I found a replacement in Mexico - Pirelli Route 1 bias tire that performed flawlessly with the same weight and bad roads.
Any suggestions?????
Bent rim, bad bearings, missing spacer, really bad tire construction. If the entire rear end isn't moving side to side, it's one of them.  If the entire rear is moving (suspension/swing arm) you have bearing issues at the pivot point.
And I've seen 350# guys on a ZG before...don't think weight is gonna be that much of a problem. She'll handle it unless you have mechanical issues preventing it from handling it.
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Re: Avon Storm 3D X-M radials -- any experience?
« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2016, 12:50:49 pm »
I just had some mounted, and I'm a little perplexed... the bike "wobbles" at high speeds. That's the best way i can describe it. I was getting ready to post a thread looking for advice, when I saw this one.
The bike is way more responsive than previously, and I kind of like it.
Up to about 70 MPH, it tracks well, but then things start to change. The faster, the more noticeable it is. If there the air isn't clean, it's worse.
I've checked air pressure. Started at 42/42, then went to 38 psi front, 42 psi rear, but no change. I made sure the rear shock was not set too high pressure, bearings all feel tight, rotating tires they seem to be round (not being funny, but did not see any noticeable runout), and so on. It tracks straight, it just wobbles side to side, like on a metal grate bridge.
Any ideas?

Thanks,

Jorge
Tire profile is (was) different on Azaro's than other tires. More rounded. At least that was one of their advertising points (don't remember what they called it). Not sure if that's changed with the new styles.
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Re: Avon Storm 3D X-M radials -- any experience?
« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2016, 02:50:05 pm »
I don't think it's the wheel, bearings, or spacer because between the two failed Avons I had the Pirelli Route 1 on the back. It rode perfectly fine with the same load in Mexico and I got over 7,000 miles out of it. Then I installed the second Avon - this time the Storm 3D-XM - it went bad with less than 2,000 miles on it.
I'll call Avon's Representative and report back what I learn.
The load rating of the 3D X-M is 761 per tire, or 1522 combined front & rear. Us, our stuff, and the bike weigh 1132 - if the rear tire gets 70% of the weight (my worst case guess) then the rear tire is slightly over the load rating at 793.
The factory representative had no knowledge of other similar failures, but I wouldn't think for a minute he'd tell me if there had been others. Next I'll call Revzilla to see about the warranty.
Not sure what I'll put on as a replacement.
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Re: Avon Storm 3D X-M radials -- any experience?
« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2016, 04:48:49 pm »
I just ordered up a pair of X-Ms from this place for about the lowest price I found $263.59 for the pair. 
http://www.americanmototire.com/catalog/
Cheesy web site, I hope the service it good.

Denis Kirk had a buck lower price but was out of stock on the front I think.


BTW I got the tires from this place in two days.  Price was good, delivery good.  I will let you know about the tires once I have about 5K on them.
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« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2016, 08:25:15 pm »
I should add that despite the heavy load the bike handled very well. Mexico has topes (speed bumps) that the center stand would occasionally hit if my speed was too fast. Although I didn't push too hard in mountain curves the bike rode well, the center stand would occasionally touch the pavement on sharp curves but two up and 100 pounds of luggage and it handled very well for a bike with its carrying weight exceeded.

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Re: Avon Storm 3D X-M radials -- any experience?
« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2016, 08:41:51 pm »
I saw you gave the total weight of the saddlebags and top case; how was that distributed (e.g. how much was in the top case, how much in the left bag, etc.)?  Weight distribution can make a difference, particularly if it is up high.
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Re: Avon Storm 3D X-M radials -- any experience?
« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2016, 10:39:06 pm »
I'm not sure how much weight was on the front or rear tires. If 70% (WAG) is on the rear then we were slightly over the maximum - but looking at the bike it's probably 60% on the rear and 40% on the front. As mentioned earlier these weight limits ( like 22 lbs for the rear platform) are probably very conservative and not anywhere near the real breaking point.
The Mexican Pirelli Route 1 rear tire finished out last trip satisfactorily without developing issues. Same load then as now.

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Re: Avon Storm 3D X-M radials -- any experience?
« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2016, 05:52:26 am »
The rear tire, when spinning in gear on the center stand has a 3/4" side to side wobble. We made it the 500 miles back to the border - keeping the speed under 85mph since I know little about tire construction and failure (but thoughts of Ford Explorer/ Firestone blowouts kept me from going any faster).
Once safely home, I weighed our stuff - top case, saddle bags, and all contents- just shy of 100 pounds. Me and the wife, 360 pounds. 460 pounds total, plus gas in the tank.
I can't find weight carrying capacities of the tires anywhere but it seems like we should have been OK.
The same exact failure occurred in 2014 with Avon Azaro and I found a replacement in Mexico - Pirelli Route 1 bias tire that performed flawlessly with the same weight and bad roads.
Any suggestions?????
At the risk of derailing the topic, but you did ask for suggestions, Shinko 777hd bias in stock size for the rear, Michelin PR3 in 110/80 size for the front. Reviews are elsewhere but I'm on about set number six with this combo cuz it works so well, for me and others. They are good for 10-12,000 miles, YMMV.  ;)

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