Author Topic: Azaro rear tire failure  (Read 8826 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline hlh1

  • Street Cruiser
  • ****
  • Posts: 925
  • AREA: Northeast Area
  • COG#: 548
  • Membership Level: Active
Azaro rear tire failure
« on: July 10, 2012, 12:02:36 am »
Over the Memorial Day weekend I loaded up the 99 with my wife and I to enjoy SW Virginia.  I have the Storm 2 on the front with 11k miles and the Azaro rear with about 4500 miles on it.  I figured we'd finish off these tires over the next 3-4 days and 1000+ miles.  Hitting the road on Friday morning I noticed, when coasting, that something was lighly "popping" the bike.  My first thought was a bad wheel bearing but I'd just replaced the front and rears at the last tire change and continued on the trip.  The "pop" got a bit worse throughout the 350 mile day and I stopped and spun the tires looking for any problems and saw nothing.  The next morning we set out for Burkes Garden and this time I noticed more of a bump, all the time.  Pulled over and now I see a mild bulge in the rear tire, with no puncture, just a mild bulge.  I figured we could ride a 200 day and then head home the next, wrong (don't give me a hard time I know I should have turned around then and will in the future).   We rode the bike hard over the next couple of hours enjoying the Avons excellent traction while testing the bikes ground clearance.   About 150 miles later we stopped for lunch and I looked at the rear tire and now I'm seeing steel threads and a 1/2 inch gash!  I call around to motorcycle dealers but they're all closing because of the holiday weekend and are no help.  I decide to limp back the next 50 miles to the motel and the "bumping" became worse and worse.  Arrived at the hotel with a 1 inch gash and it's now not ridable.  Also the tread depth was quickly thining at and around the bulge, but was fine on the rest of the tire.  It's interesting that the tire is still holding air pressure like this, but the next day it was flat.  Long story short we could not find a trailer or alternate transportation because of the holiday weekend and ended up being loaned a truck and trailer from a riding friend and we hauled the bike back to Richmond.  Once home I mounted a new Avon set, Storm front and Azaro rear, on the C10 and all was well with the world.   I contacted Avon about this because it seemed to me that this tire self destructed.  Not good.  They were concerned but were convinced that I punctured it somehow and they'd never heard of a failure like this with an Azaro.  The PR guy also mentioned that they plan on making the Azaro for the C10 for the forseable future, and I'm glad to hear that.  As a good will gesture Avon sold me another Azaro rear at their cost.   I bet, and hope, that this is a fluke.  I've loved the Avon combination of the Storm 2 front and Azaro rear and will continue to use them.  These tires do everything I ask of them, peg feeler to peg feeler, except the rear won't last 10k miles.  I typically run two rears for one front. 

Here's a pic:



06 WeeStrom, 09 C14 ABS, 83 GS1100ED,


Offline Sparkie

  • Street Cruiser
  • ****
  • Posts: 509
  • AREA: Southwest Area
  • COG#: Forum
  • Membership Level: Forum Subscriber
Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2012, 12:55:29 am »
Whoa thats scary lookin. Glad to hear everything worked out OK for the two of you. I love the Avons too and have only had a rear puncture that stranded me and the wife also. In that case I was trying to get one more ride out of it so that was my fault. Hope the new tires treat you well. Mark
2006 Kawasaki Concours (Sold)
2006 Ducati 620 Multistrada
2016 Yamaha FJR 1300A

Offline Steves59

  • Mini Bike
  • **
  • Posts: 157
  • AREA: Southeast Area
  • COG#: 9584
  • Membership Level: Active
Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2012, 02:07:40 am »
Man, that is rough looking.  I have the Storm II/Azaro combo and have 3500 on the set right now, and have loved the ride.  Wear looks very good so far but I think I will give the Azaro a close once-over before I ride again!

Offline hlh1

  • Street Cruiser
  • ****
  • Posts: 925
  • AREA: Northeast Area
  • COG#: 548
  • Membership Level: Active
Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2012, 10:24:22 am »
According to Avon I'm an anomoly. 
06 WeeStrom, 09 C14 ABS, 83 GS1100ED,


Offline Victor Salisbury

  • Crotch Rocket
  • ****
  • Posts: 1318
  • AREA: Southeast Area
  • COG#: 3673
  • Membership Level: Active
Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2012, 11:44:53 am »
Not to cry wolf here, but check with the District Leader for Cycle Gear/Tampa. They have (had?) an "anomaly" sitting there. 
I had mine exchanged as a warranty around the first of the year.  Had a 1/2" deformation visible just off center of the tread. One of the sipes had a "squiggle" in it and could feel the thumping going down the road, it came up suddenly, right around a 1000 miles on the tire.  Fortunately I experienced this while commuting around town and wasn't far from home.
When we pulled the tire off, there was a bubble on the inside of the tread about the diameter of a half dollar. 

Now Cycle Gear provided the warranty, so I don't think they communicated anything to Avon direct that I know of.  And now thinking of it, the tire probably went back to the vendor (if the vendor asked for it) Cycle Gear deals with.

The replacement has been fine so far, but I do tend to give it a pretty good eye more often than I used too.
As long as they (Avon) keeps supporting the Azaro or equivalent, I'll keep using it.  I like the ride/feel, it does wear pretty quick comparatively but I am fortunate to be in a position right now (knock on wood) where replacing my tires as required is not a major hardship.

Now it seems I've heard/read of some Avon tire issues over the last year or so?  Might they have had a bad production run or it's us being so vocal about it.......
Vic Salisbury
COG #3673 
'97 Connie "The Grinch" 
Sarasota, FL 
www.cog-online.org 
Stupid Hurts! Wearing protective gear is much more comfortable.

Offline gMitch

  • Road Bike
  • ***
  • Posts: 300
  • AREA: Northeast Area
  • COG#: 8852
  • Membership Level: Active
Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2012, 02:22:41 pm »
Had something similar happen on way to National. However, I did lose air and got stranded in Pocahontas, Arkansas on a Sunday. A local COGger helped me out greatly (thanks Harvey!), trailering my bike and me to a shop to get some new rubber. The Azaro only has 3700 miles on it. The failure was about a 1 inch square in the middle of the tire. The hole went all the way through everything. The picture is not too good but you get the drift.  I have not been proactive as the OP in approaching Avon with this incident.
Mitch

Offline hlh1

  • Street Cruiser
  • ****
  • Posts: 925
  • AREA: Northeast Area
  • COG#: 548
  • Membership Level: Active
Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2012, 02:35:47 pm »
Do you think a puncture was involved here?  If so it's not an Avon design problem, but if there was no puncture that starged this you may have experienced the same thing and Avon needs to know about this.  I wondered if this was a load issue but after I totalled up the bikes weight, with the wife and I and baggage, we were within limits.  I can give you my Avon contact if you're interested. 
06 WeeStrom, 09 C14 ABS, 83 GS1100ED,


Offline hlh1

  • Street Cruiser
  • ****
  • Posts: 925
  • AREA: Northeast Area
  • COG#: 548
  • Membership Level: Active
Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2014, 09:06:10 pm »
UPDATE: 

Sorry to resurrect an old thread but my replacement Azaro has also started a bulge.  While riding yesterday I started noticing a minor shake, like I'd lost some wheel weights.  Once I returned home and spun the rear tire I noticed a 1/2 inch bulge!  Here we go again, but this time I stopped before it broke through, like the pics above.  I only have 3000 miles on this Azaro.  I've been running it religiously with 41 psi measured with a calibrated air gauge.  I've not hit anything with it and it started failing when riding in 60 degree weather, and with just me on the bike and no load to speak of.  No speeds over 75 mph.  I have a spare Azaro rear that Avon gave me a good deal on after the above failed.  I'll go ahead and mount it for now and maybe it will last until the COG National in Johnson City. 

I love the Azaro rear and Storm front on the C10, but I guess I'm going to have to find some other tires because the failure I've experienced twice, two in a row, have me not trusting the Azaro. 
06 WeeStrom, 09 C14 ABS, 83 GS1100ED,


Offline hlh1

  • Street Cruiser
  • ****
  • Posts: 925
  • AREA: Northeast Area
  • COG#: 548
  • Membership Level: Active
Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2014, 02:35:36 pm »
While at the 2014 COG National I had my third Azaro rear failure.  Same as before with the tire going out of round then then splitting. 


06 WeeStrom, 09 C14 ABS, 83 GS1100ED,


Offline AirMonger

  • Street Cruiser
  • ****
  • Posts: 535
  • AREA: South Central Area
  • COG#: 10838
  • Membership Level: Active
Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2014, 09:24:28 pm »
Personally had one Azaro fail and received nothing but ridicule for what "I" did wrong from Avon and certain members of this community. Guess when something goes awry with the unchallengeable premium tire, sometimes best to keep it to yourself. There are lots of reported failures circulating on these threads and there are lots of people who would rather walk than run Avon's, I for one. By the same token there are folks that swear by them and have never had any issue with millions of happy miles under them. Hope you get some satisfaction from he people at Avon.
"It usually takes 20 years before people begin to appreciate a good design." Kevin Cameron

Offline hlh1

  • Street Cruiser
  • ****
  • Posts: 925
  • AREA: Northeast Area
  • COG#: 548
  • Membership Level: Active
Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2014, 09:28:25 pm »
Personally had one Azaro fail and received nothing but ridicule for what "I" did wrong from Avon and certain members of this community. Guess when something goes awry with the unchallengeable premium tire, sometimes best to keep it to yourself. There are lots of reported failures circulating on these threads and there are lots of people who would rather walk than run Avon's, I for one. By the same token there are folks that swear by them and have never had any issue with millions of happy miles under them. Hope you get some satisfaction from he people at Avon.

They pretty much blamed the failure on me too.  I've had three failures in a row.  I hate it, but I've tried and now need to find something else.  The shop put on a Metzler "lazer tec" on the bike, it's bias ply.  It works, but it sure doesn't handle like the Azaro before it fails. 
06 WeeStrom, 09 C14 ABS, 83 GS1100ED,


Offline Steve in Sunny Fla

  • Industry Member
  • I Need a Life
  • *
  • Posts: 7866
  • AREA: Southeast Area
  • COG#: 6977
  • Membership Level: Active
Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2014, 09:42:44 pm »
INTERESTING - I had an Avon Storm fail, IN THE SAME MANNER on my 1200lt just 2 months ago. it had 600 miles on it. Steve
C-14 ECU flashing for performance and rideability enhancement
C-10 Carb work , cams, & performance enhancements
 " Modifications for sport-tourers, BY a sport-tourer"
https://sites.google.com/site/shoodabenengineering/home

Offline worncog

  • Crotch Rocket
  • ****
  • Posts: 1658
  • AREA: Southeast Area
  • COG#: 9584
  • Membership Level: Active
Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2014, 09:47:04 pm »
Not to throw fuel on the fire, but I will not purchase an Avon tire again after a flat/split belt/multiple bulge tire failure recently on a tire in apparently good condition. A Storm II Ultra with ~7k miles failed and left me stranded during a recent 12 hour rally. Luckily I could not patch/plug the tire due to a large (>1") center tread belt split, or I may have experienced a catastrophic failure trying to limp back to rally central. It all worked out, just not financially as I came to realize the extent of towing plans versus distance ratios, and I did not end up tumbling down the road like a ragdoll.

I am done with Avons, but that is just me.
RWTW, COBDR, SM 500, BVF...

'14 S10, '06 C10, '07 DR650, '14 250XC-F

Offline turbo-max

  • Crotch Rocket
  • ****
  • Posts: 1767
  • AREA: Southeast Area
  • COG#: 10445
  • Membership Level: Active
Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2014, 09:51:59 pm »
we had a rear avon then a front avon fail...never again will i ever use that crap brand of tire...very happy with cheap ole shinko!!!
turbo lag is a courteous head start!    ~Jeff H
99 c-10 "the purple monster"
01 c-10 undergoing turbofacation     
03 c-10 some mods...alot of miles
several other c-10's in pieces!

Offline Jack_Provda_CA

  • Tricycle
  • Posts: 33
  • AREA: Southwest Area
  • COG#: 6677
  • Membership Level: Active
Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2014, 10:24:48 pm »
I love the way the Avons handle and never had a problem until last year on my way back from the SW Regional Rally (with my daughter on the back). See the attached pic.  :-\

Avon is supposed to start making the Storm 3D radial in a 16 inch size that will fit the C-10.  Perhaps someone should send the link to this post to Avon, so they can see that there is a problem with the Azaro.

Offline hlh1

  • Street Cruiser
  • ****
  • Posts: 925
  • AREA: Northeast Area
  • COG#: 548
  • Membership Level: Active
Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2014, 10:33:34 pm »
looks a lot like my failures.
06 WeeStrom, 09 C14 ABS, 83 GS1100ED,


Offline uhoh

  • Moped
  • **
  • Posts: 205
  • USA, east WA, TriCities
  • AREA: Northwest Area
  • Membership Level: Forum Subscriber
Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2014, 10:49:38 pm »
well, just to provide other experience.

I had disliked the Azaro front for cupping wear on FJR1300, so when Storm 2 came out
I used that front and bought several Azaro rears.  Nice combination. 
Then went to Storm 2 rears 180/55/17 and they worked even better. 
Also gave Storm 2 set to my son who frequently rode 2-up and he liked them a lot.

Now I've got a set of Storm 3 XM ready to mount in 2 weeks when my Pirrelli Angel GT's get to retirement.
These are also good tires ...




EDIT: Oops, I thought this was the C-14 section I was posting in. 
Still good tires for me, but sizes are different,
so maybe apples and oranges, I don't know.
« Last Edit: June 23, 2014, 10:52:40 pm by uhoh »
2011   C-14.   Silver.

Offline Eddie-FL

  • Sport Tourer
  • *****
  • Posts: 2020
  • AREA: Southeast Area
  • COG#: 7073
  • Membership Level: Active
Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2014, 11:06:08 pm »
I'll have to say that my experience with the Azaro is different. My current rear one is at 14,000 miles and is due for R&R. I contacted Avon via email about the Storm 3D X-M in 150/80ZR16. I just received a call from a man at Avon Tyre NA and was told that the Storm X-M in our size is in development and likely won't be available until spring 2015 so I just ordered another Azaro from MotoX Outlet.

This is my second (or third...can't remember) Azaro and I'm happy with them. Sorry about the problems y'all have had but just wanted to share my experience.
Anderson, SC
2015 Suzuki DL650XT "Grey Ghost"
1969 Triumph Bonneville 
AMA# 686667 COG# 7073   CDA# 0136

Offline Canadian Steve

  • Moped
  • **
  • Posts: 216
  • AREA: Northeast Area
  • COG#: 7641
  • Membership Level: Active
Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2014, 02:07:14 am »
Eddie-FL
I can't get half that on my rear Azaro's (are you sure its fireing on all 4 :)). Not had any issues with storm front or Az rear, however my last front PR-3 with 4K miles now is cupping and wearing a bit funny off center....I think it might have something to do with too many curves at the National :-\ ;D.
1999 Concours ...stock cept fer some tweaks by SSIF (sold May/16--goodbye old friend)
2014 FJR

Offline Steve in Sunny Fla

  • Industry Member
  • I Need a Life
  • *
  • Posts: 7866
  • AREA: Southeast Area
  • COG#: 6977
  • Membership Level: Active
Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2014, 02:11:36 am »
Steve, have you ever ridden with Eddie?  :motonoises:  Steve
C-14 ECU flashing for performance and rideability enhancement
C-10 Carb work , cams, & performance enhancements
 " Modifications for sport-tourers, BY a sport-tourer"
https://sites.google.com/site/shoodabenengineering/home

Offline Eddie-FL

  • Sport Tourer
  • *****
  • Posts: 2020
  • AREA: Southeast Area
  • COG#: 7073
  • Membership Level: Active
Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2014, 11:05:23 am »
Steve, have you ever ridden with Eddie?  :motonoises:  Steve
Oh, Ha Ha, Steve!  :nananana:
Anderson, SC
2015 Suzuki DL650XT "Grey Ghost"
1969 Triumph Bonneville 
AMA# 686667 COG# 7073   CDA# 0136

Offline Steve in Sunny Fla

  • Industry Member
  • I Need a Life
  • *
  • Posts: 7866
  • AREA: Southeast Area
  • COG#: 6977
  • Membership Level: Active
Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2014, 11:10:12 am »
  :beerchug:  steve
C-14 ECU flashing for performance and rideability enhancement
C-10 Carb work , cams, & performance enhancements
 " Modifications for sport-tourers, BY a sport-tourer"
https://sites.google.com/site/shoodabenengineering/home

Offline AirMonger

  • Street Cruiser
  • ****
  • Posts: 535
  • AREA: South Central Area
  • COG#: 10838
  • Membership Level: Active
Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2014, 04:25:00 pm »
The limited choice factor is the main reason I popped for the 17" MS wheel conversion. I was beging to question my choice of the PR3 because it looked as if I would blow through it on inder 10K, but with over four thousand miles on it since installation it seems to have stablized and is wearing well. I guess the initial run in flattened the center pretty quickly and now with a larger contact patch it looks like I will get at least 10K out of the rear.
"It usually takes 20 years before people begin to appreciate a good design." Kevin Cameron

Offline hlh1

  • Street Cruiser
  • ****
  • Posts: 925
  • AREA: Northeast Area
  • COG#: 548
  • Membership Level: Active
Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2014, 05:36:44 pm »
Is there still a company somewhere in CA that takes a 16" rear wheel and welds it up to a 17" year wheel?  I saw this 17" wheel on Steve's bike at the rally.  I have a spare 16" rear wheel.  How do I contact these folks? 
06 WeeStrom, 09 C14 ABS, 83 GS1100ED,


Offline Bergmen

  • Sport Tourer
  • *****
  • Posts: 2390
  • AREA: Southwest Area
  • COG#: Forum
  • Membership Level: Forum Subscriber
Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2014, 09:25:26 pm »
Is there still a company somewhere in CA that takes a 16" rear wheel and welds it up to a 17" year wheel?  I saw this 17" wheel on Steve's bike at the rally.  I have a spare 16" rear wheel.  How do I contact these folks?


Here ya go:

http://kosmanspecialties.com/

Dan
--2014 Yamaha FJR1300A--
--ZGRX 1200 Concours (sold)--
--SPOOFAK Inventor--