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Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2014, 09:29:08 pm »
Is there still a company somewhere in CA that takes a 16" rear wheel and welds it up to a 17" year wheel?  I saw this 17" wheel on Steve's bike at the rally.  I have a spare 16" rear wheel.  How do I contact these folks?


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Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #26 on: June 24, 2014, 09:53:28 pm »
Is there still a company somewhere in CA that takes a 16" rear wheel and welds it up to a 17" year wheel?  I saw this 17" wheel on Steve's bike at the rally.  I have a spare 16" rear wheel.  How do I contact these folks?

The other option is using a 17" Meanstreak rear wheel. Lots of info on this just do a search.
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Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #27 on: June 25, 2014, 01:31:54 am »
lack of tire choices is also why I went to 17s.  The OEMs on my C10 when I got it weren't very grippy compared to the 17s on another bike I have, but the lack of grip might have been due more to the age of the tires (I found a garage queen) I suspect.  Very happy with the 17s.  the 17 front has a bit wider contact patch which allows more brake application and feels a bit more planted in the corner.  As far as the OP, I've been seeing all the Azaro failures and even if you like the Avon brand, I'd consider a different rear tire.  Perhaps when the Storm comes out in 16 it'll be the one to use.  I know our Oregon AAD uses the OEMs and has never had any issues keeping up in the corners (quite the opposite) or failings that he's talked about.  I think he adds miles at a high enough rate that he goes through 3 or more sets of tires a year.  So perhaps these Azaro failures are on aged (but not worn) tires??  have any of you running Azaro's who use them up within 1/2 a year had any of these tire failures?  anyway, until the Azaro failures are figured out by Avon, or they come out with a new Storm in 16, you might consider OEM.  I've not yet heard of these kind of failures with that tire.
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Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #28 on: June 25, 2014, 02:16:22 am »
Personally, I feel that ANY tire should give you 24 months of service. Why would anyone have to pay a premium for a tire with a one year expiration date on it? It is great that someone gets to run through two or three sets of tires a year (I am guessing that I, among others here are jealous) but the reality is, that after laying out about 40-60% more than what it cost to shod a cage with tires by comparison, we could expect the tire to at least hold up. I am not saying tread life expectancy, but carcass expectancy. There are exceptions to everything in terms of maintenance, care, and general common sense, but take into consideration the same individual, with the same bike and already twice bitten, having the third failure? I would dare to bet that this individual was more observant as to his tire pressures than most. What was that old saying? Something is rotten in Denmark? There is a issue here, and like my previous concerns with my BMW's, it is being ignored.
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Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #29 on: June 25, 2014, 11:22:40 am »
Yes, I religiously check my cold tire pressure and set it at 41 psi front and rear on the Avons.  Guess I'll have to go back to OEMs until I get a 17" rear wheel. 
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Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #30 on: June 25, 2014, 11:57:46 am »
Is there still a company somewhere in CA that takes a 16" rear wheel and welds it up to a 17" year wheel?  I saw this 17" wheel on Steve's bike at the rally.  I have a spare 16" rear wheel.  How do I contact these folks?


Here ya go:

http://kosmanspecialties.com/

Dan


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I was under the impression Kosman discontinued the diameter conversion and only offerred widening now.  Their site seems to reflect that as well.  Am I misinformed?
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Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #31 on: June 25, 2014, 02:12:28 pm »
Is there still a company somewhere in CA that takes a 16" rear wheel and welds it up to a 17" year wheel?  I saw this 17" wheel on Steve's bike at the rally.  I have a spare 16" rear wheel.  How do I contact these folks?


Here ya go:

http://kosmanspecialties.com/

Dan


Thanks Dan!


I was under the impression Kosman discontinued the diameter conversion and only offerred widening now.  Their site seems to reflect that as well.  Am I misinformed?


I heard that as well. I couldn't find yay or nay on their site, just to call Sandy directly regarding wheel weld-ups. It is spendy anyway and you have to paint or powder coat (if desired) and install bearings/seals. The best alternative is of course the Mean Streak wheel.

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Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #32 on: June 25, 2014, 02:48:46 pm »
Yes, I religiously check my cold tire pressure and set it at 41 psi front and rear on the Avons.  Guess I'll have to go back to OEMs until I get a 17" rear wheel.

I had a similar issue with my first set of Avons, a bubble and a severe wobble. After that I gave up on them. Two years ago I tried a set of Avons AM-26 Roadriders. Yes they are bias ply but you would never know it if you have followed me thru the twisties. These ain't your daddys bias ply tires. They ride great and corner fantastically. I led a ride to the snake at the national last week with 6 C-14's behind me and I held my own on my little C-10 with stock wheels.
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Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #33 on: June 25, 2014, 04:08:53 pm »
Yes, I religiously check my cold tire pressure and set it at 41 psi front and rear on the Avons.  Guess I'll have to go back to OEMs until I get a 17" rear wheel.

I had a similar issue with my first set of Avons, a bubble and a severe wobble. After that I gave up on them. Two years ago I tried a set of Avons AM-26 Roadriders. Yes they are bias ply but you would never know it if you have followed me thru the twisties. These ain't your daddys bias ply tires. They ride great and corner fantastically. I led a ride to the snake at the national last week with 6 C-14's behind me and I held my own on my little C-10 with stock wheels.
Well... I arrived at the National expecting tires to be available. However, when it became apparent only a Metzler could be had I was terribly dejected.  Jim came to my rescue with a well worn Avon bias tire (I had a good Storm 2Ultra on front).
I mounted the Avon up (could have used some balance weight) but the tire stuck very well in the dry.

All the way home though we rode in rain and the back of the bike was all over. Randy said he was getting sick watching me shaking and wobbling and sliding around.  It WAS a bit unruly, but by this time it was pretty slick in the center on half the tire with the other half still retaining .060 of tread or so. I told Randy to keep watch for cords, but arrived home intact.

Very grateful flr the tire. I put about 2k miles on it and despite its ragged condition it performed admirably up to 100mph. Not fond of the bias radial mix, but the bike was well planted the best at max lean.  The tire no longer has any chicken strips.  I may have to try a matched set. Again... thanks Jim.
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Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #34 on: June 25, 2014, 04:13:46 pm »
I have had 2 Avon storms do the separation and cords showing. What really bites is the rest of the tire had plenty of tread. These were not the Storm Ultra's.  I love the handling and the wet weather grip, but I just can't bring myself to try them again. My Connie and FJR go through a set of tires each year.  Gets expensive to replace them early for what felt like a defect.  Seems a lot of folks here like them and have had good luck. I have seen a thread like this on other sites about the Avon's tho.
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Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #35 on: June 25, 2014, 06:04:49 pm »
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I've just come upon this thread. I checked my Avon tires as the rear is an Azaro AV46ST. It's mounted on a standard '86 rear wheel with about 6575 miles on it. After reading the post I went out to check the entire tire, looks ok but I'll be very aware to check it closely from now on. Is this the same tire that failed?
I don't travel "two up" very often or "loaded" for extended trips any more, so my riding is fairly "light" compared to others. But, this is good info to have/be made aware of.
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Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #36 on: June 25, 2014, 06:14:16 pm »
I will offer the flip side just to be fair.  I have had like 25+ Avon sets and never had a failure.  It makes me sad that they have had production problems now or ever.  I think they make a good product and do their best to stand behind it but sheyet happens.   If it happens to much though and they loose our support that is bad.  Not many other companies have shown an interest in keeping the C10 on the road and is even developing new tech in our size.  I would let them know of every failure even if you plan to never use them again.  Whining here does not fix anything.
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Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #37 on: June 25, 2014, 06:25:29 pm »

 Jim came to my rescue with a well worn Avon bias tire (I had a good Storm 2Ultra on front).
I mounted the Avon up (could have used some balance weight) but the tire stuck very well in the dry.

 Very grateful flr the tire. I put about 2k miles on it and despite its ragged condition it performed admirably up to 100mph. Not fond of the bias radial mix, but the bike was well planted the best at max lean.  The tire no longer has any chicken strips.  I may have to try a matched set. Again... thanks Jim.

Hey Rev,
  I picked up another spare AM-26 before I left that has twice the tread the one I gave you. If you want to try a set let me know and I will ship this one to you and all you would have to do is pick up a front AM-26. That way you could try a set of them for less than half price because the back one will be FREE !!!
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Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #38 on: June 25, 2014, 08:25:18 pm »
I will offer the flip side just to be fair.  I have had like 25+ Avon sets and never had a failure.  It makes me sad that they have had production problems now or ever.  I think they make a good product and do their best to stand behind it but sheyet happens.   If it happens to much though and they loose our support that is bad.  Not many other companies have shown an interest in keeping the C10 on the road and is even developing new tech in our size.  I would let them know of every failure even if you plan to never use them again.  Whining here does not fix anything.
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Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #39 on: June 26, 2014, 01:07:01 am »
Well, when "sheyet happens" and you are on the receiving end of the bargain, it will certainly change your outlook on a product. There is little room for error in this industry. Ignoring the same defect time and time again is not a responsible manufacture. How many riders never had the opportunity to state their displeasure with a tire failure. Mine occurred at 100 MPH. By the grace of God, I was able to relay that info here. Some people told me that it was my fault. We won't mention names. Those of us that have experienced this fail to find sympathy with anyone's loyalty to a tire brand. Fix it. Period.
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Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #40 on: June 26, 2014, 11:04:52 am »
I wonder if the Azaro just can't handle the weight of two up and full luggage.  Wife and I together are 300 lbs, plus full luggage and riding gear 60 lbs, plus the bike.  Probably pushing 1000 lbs loaded and rear handling 60-65% of it = 650 lbs?  I wonder what the Azaro is rated at?  The Azaro has such a soft carcass it makes me wonder if it can carry a load. 
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Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #41 on: June 26, 2014, 06:44:51 pm »
I wonder if the Azaro just can't handle the weight of two up and full luggage.  Wife and I together are 300 lbs, plus full luggage and riding gear 60 lbs, plus the bike.  Probably pushing 1000 lbs loaded and rear handling 60-65% of it = 650 lbs?  I wonder what the Azaro is rated at?  The Azaro has such a soft carcass it makes me wonder if it can carry a load.

The bike is not rated for that.

All I am saying with the whining is be sure THEY know or it will go unfixed.  We can't do anything here about it.  If they get enough complaints and suits it will get fixed or recalled.
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Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #42 on: June 26, 2014, 06:52:24 pm »
Azaro service index is 71W. Load rating 71 is good for 761 lbs.

I wonder if the Azaro just can't handle the weight of two up and full luggage.  Wife and I together are 300 lbs, plus full luggage and riding gear 60 lbs, plus the bike.  Probably pushing 1000 lbs loaded and rear handling 60-65% of it = 650 lbs?  I wonder what the Azaro is rated at?  The Azaro has such a soft carcass it makes me wonder if it can carry a load.

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Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #43 on: June 26, 2014, 09:55:06 pm »
I wonder if the Azaro just can't handle the weight of two up and full luggage.  Wife and I together are 300 lbs, plus full luggage and riding gear 60 lbs, plus the bike.  Probably pushing 1000 lbs loaded and rear handling 60-65% of it = 650 lbs?  I wonder what the Azaro is rated at?  The Azaro has such a soft carcass it makes me wonder if it can carry a load.

The bike is not rated for that.


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Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #44 on: June 27, 2014, 01:33:37 pm »
Those failures look scary!  :-\
Personally I can only recount my experience on the Azaro AV46 rears and it's all good.
I've never had a puncture (touch wood) and get a consistent 6,000-7,000 miles per rear tyre.
I've never had one bubble or go out of round.
I must be on my 10th or 12th Azaro rear by now.

As for their customer service people blaming you, who did you speak to?
Any fool can see from those pics that these are tyre carcass faults, not puncture damage.
Everyone I have ever had dealings with at Avon (UK) just fell over backwards to be helpful.
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Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #45 on: June 29, 2014, 02:47:05 pm »
I had sworn off Avon tires thirty years ago. I installed a Venom about three years ago. All that tire did was to reinforce my swearing off of Avon tires, as it was in the early stages of separating with half of the tread remaining. This fiasco also cost me a day on a trip. While never say never, I cannot foresee the circumstances that would lead me to voluntarily mount an Avon ever again on anything I ride.

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Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #46 on: June 30, 2014, 04:31:39 pm »
I think over the years I been hanging here I have heard of a failure of every single brand out there.  What are we going to put on the bike if one or even a few failures are enough to swear off the brand?   I am not defending Avon.  I am defending a good overall average performance by any brand.
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Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #47 on: June 30, 2014, 07:46:49 pm »
I have loved the Azaro so much that I bought a third one after the second failure.  Even after three failures I'd like to think I won't get a fourth failure and am tempted to buy another.  But, I'll probably get an OEM set next. 
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Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #48 on: July 01, 2014, 02:13:15 pm »
I have loved the Azaro so much that I bought a third one after the second failure.  Even after three failures I'd like to think I won't get a fourth failure and am tempted to buy another.  But, I'll probably get an OEM set next.
Ahhhh, c'mon... step out in faith... git another one.  :nananana:

Actually, I haven't had any real failures that were the tire's fault on any Avons (but I have had two fail due to my boo boos) so I'm one who REALLY thinks the odds have just gotta be getting better for ya.   :beerchug: 
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Re: Azaro rear tire failure
« Reply #49 on: July 01, 2014, 06:18:58 pm »
Azaro service index is 71W. Load rating 71 is good for 761 lbs.
For reference, the Michelin Commander 150/80B16 load rating is 77H, 908 lbs, 130 MPH.