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car tires on stock rim
« on: May 24, 2014, 01:43:09 am »
 what car tire will work on 2005 c-10 without modifying anything?
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Re: car tires on stock rim
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2014, 03:08:08 am »
i too would like to know what is out there and readily available.
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Re: car tires on stock rim
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2014, 03:50:27 am »
Hmm, according to this for sale thread http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php/topic,49962.0.html

It looks like 165/50-16?

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Re: car tires on stock rim
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2014, 04:33:45 am »
Correct I had a 165/50-16 only 86 before the engine gave way.

Due to the reduced diameter I would not suggest for touring unless you have the 7th gear drive from Steve.  "Runs about 500-600 RPM up from stock"

But..... In town it was one hell of a kick in the pants... Also held up\handled just as good if not better than any of the tires I ran on it before. Mez\Dunlop\Shinko.

You will have to play with the tire pressure, I found 37ish to me my sweet spot.

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Re: car tires on stock rim
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2014, 03:04:02 pm »
what brand car tire was it?
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Re: car tires on stock rim
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2014, 09:54:15 pm »
Achilles ATR-K ECONOMIST
165/50R16XL 77V

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Re: car tires on stock rim
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2014, 12:12:46 am »
thanks!
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Re: car tires on stock rim
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2014, 12:51:08 am »
Thanks here too and all around.  There are many people who like myself who just want to experiment and see how they can spend more time riding and less time replacing that rear tire which wears out so soon. ;) :great:
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« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2014, 02:59:59 am »
i ordered one, so we shall see how it fits.
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Re: car tires on stock rim
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2014, 12:46:17 pm »
Why does this look like a recipe for going on your a**?
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Re: car tires on stock rim
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2014, 02:24:27 pm »
Never had any trouble from it.. Whether it was two up, or attacking the b-roads. Only word of warning is that you will have "Fun" putting it on by hand. We used a tire machine and still had an entertaining time of it.

Either way. Enjoy! and if you don't like it not much investment, right???

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Re: car tires on stock rim
« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2014, 08:58:41 pm »
Never had any trouble from it.. Whether it was two up, or attacking the b-roads. Only word of warning is that you will have "Fun" putting it on by hand. We used a tire machine and still had an entertaining time of it.

Either way. Enjoy! and if you don't like it not much investment, right???
exactly, and i WILL be putting this on by hand  :-\  :)
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Re: car tires on stock rim
« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2014, 09:25:36 pm »
i ordered one, so we shall see how it fits.

why am I not surprised  :-[ ??? ;) Steve
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Re: car tires on stock rim
« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2014, 09:43:49 pm »
There's an old timer on here that has a major thing against Darksiding, he watched a fatal crash occur because of a car tire losing traction, and regaining it in an unpredictable snapping motion.

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« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2014, 09:51:39 pm »
Oh no .. Not you too Jeff  >:(  He has gone to the dark side. :confuse:..too late.
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Re: car tires on stock rim
« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2014, 01:16:26 am »
There's an old timer on here that has a major thing against Darksiding, he watched a fatal crash occur because of a car tire losing traction, and regaining it in an unpredictable snapping motion.

Good luck!

Up front, I'm happy with my $86 Shinko777 on the rear.

Any time a tire, whether motorcycle or car, breaks traction in a non-racing environment, I would think it is pretty safe to say that any resulting hook up of traction would occur in a not predictable way.  IOW, who the H3ll knows for sure what will happen when a tire breaks loose on a public road, with oil/coolant/cow poop/gravel/tar snakes and who knows what else might be laying on the road. Or tire/road temperature, or, or, or...

There are a lot of reasons to lose traction.
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Re: car tires on stock rim
« Reply #16 on: May 27, 2014, 02:01:12 am »
OK now just to add my two cents here. Just because a tire has the same size does not mean it will fit correctly, even though you may find one that will does not mean it will be suitable for a motorcycle or even safe. The factor here is the width/bead area of the rim and contact from the rubber to the ground. Car rims are wider then a motorcycles and just from general knowledge and from working in a junkyard for many years I have seen odd sized tires fit on rims that were either too large in width or too small in width but I could be wrong and some oddball tire could and will fit a motorcycle rim. But just because I can wear my shoes on my hands dont mean I should. The reason I say this is a cars and motorcyle tire measurements are yes almost the same but are not designed the same. Lets say you have a 235-60-15 ( what I ran on my 84 cutlass rwd )

235 = the width of the tire

60 = is the height of the tire from the rim to the top of the tire tread

15 = the tires rim size

now a standard sized rim for a cutlass was 14 inch tall rim with a 6 inch wide measured from inside rim where the bead sits to inside rim where the bead sits,so the rim was called a 14x6.

Now lets talk about motorcycle rims and tires.

The basics are there just like car tires. Width, height and rim size but from what I know there are some differences like the letters on them and also rim width.

In the picture of the 160-50-R16 the R should represent a construction rating which is radial. So the tire pictured here is a radial motorcycle tire. If you see a M/C is stands for motorcycle tire, numbers in brackets represent the load it can handle and then TL stands for tubeless and TT stands for tube type.

Now rim width on a motorcycle is what close to 2 inches in the front at its smallest today and in the rear can be the same or up to almost any width in the rear. The ultimate difference is the design aspect of the tires themselves. You can put any tire on any size rim as long as the bead seals but does that mean that tire will act like it would when it is on a proper rim and used for what it was built for. There is something called a bead hump that motorcycle tires have that car tires do not have. This is the safety aspect as a car tire can and will pull off the rim as it was not designed for motorcycle use. Basically the bead hump holds the tire to the rim.


This next part I looked up and it explains a lot on the forces and how they have a magic formula for making a motorcycle vs a car tire.

There are six factors in holding that tire to the rim and proper rubber to road contact which are Longitudinal force,Normal force,Lateral force,Rolling resistance moment,Overturning moment and Aligning moment. Here is an post from some guy who explains everything and be warned it took a while to read it but if you have the time, read it. I thought I knew a lot from busting down and installing tires when I worked at a junkyard but this guy who posted this huge post really knows what he is talking about.

http://www.goldwingfacts.com/forums/10-reference-faq-forum/400426-design-differences-between-car-motorcycle-rim-tire.html

Personally I would never try a car tire on any scoot I ride but some do like that Darkside..and from reading what I wrote I really hope someone knows what I am saying or can comprehend it..
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Re: car tires on stock rim
« Reply #17 on: May 27, 2014, 04:13:38 am »
i ain't skerd!  :)
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Re: car tires on stock rim
« Reply #18 on: May 27, 2014, 11:14:36 am »
OK now just to add my two cents here. Just because a tire has the same size does not mean it will fit correctly, even though you may find one that will does not mean it will be suitable for a motorcycle or even safe. The factor here is the width/bead area of the rim and contact from the rubber to the ground. Car rims are wider then a motorcycles and just from general knowledge and from working in a junkyard for many years I have seen odd sized tires fit on rims that were either too large in width or too small in width but I could be wrong and some oddball tire could and will fit a motorcycle rim. But just because I can wear my shoes on my hands dont mean I should. The reason I say this is a cars and motorcycle tire measurements are yes almost the same but are not designed the same.
Considering what I've seen done to cars in the name of appearance (Hellaflush, anyone?) I find it quite amazing what a car tire will withstand when mounting it on incorrect rims. 
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Re: car tires on stock rim
« Reply #19 on: May 27, 2014, 11:41:23 am »
I don't disagree Jon. I have seen some tires that were forced onto rims that were never supposed to fit even if God willed it but motorcycles don't have the protection as a cage does and I personally would never run a car tire on a bike.
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Re: car tires on stock rim
« Reply #20 on: May 27, 2014, 11:54:53 am »
X, thanks for the info.
I have seen the car tire discussion over the years. Since I have no plans to use 1 I didn't really get into it. Just did a read.
The article you posted clearly shows the difference of the "Motorcycle rim to car tire" and "motorcycle rim to motorcycle tire".
Pretty interesting..

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« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2014, 01:45:07 pm »
i still ain't skerd  :rotflmao:
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« Reply #22 on: May 27, 2014, 02:21:02 pm »
nor should you be Jeff.   :beerchug:

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« Reply #23 on: May 27, 2014, 07:29:01 pm »
I don't disagree Jon. I have seen some tires that were forced onto rims that were never supposed to fit even if God willed it but motorcycles don't have the protection as a cage does and I personally would never run a car tire on a bike.
I agree regarding the protection (and redundancy of 3 other tires if one fails) of a cage.  Just pointing out that apparently tires are a lot more forgiving than most people give them credit for.
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Re: car tires on stock rim
« Reply #24 on: May 28, 2014, 12:41:24 am »
I have seen many wrecks on youtube when people had the correct tire on the right rim!  Wrecks will happen regardless.  If you're skerd (scared) don't go out of the light into the dark (darkside)! ;)
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