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Re: Educate me please......
« Reply #25 on: November 22, 2011, 08:50:43 pm »
You will be pleased when your finished.

The Kosman and the Mean Streak are the only current options until the next option is discovered. Much labor and research goes into finding these options...and I applaud those persons for their labors.

You can find the spacers at your local dealer. Ordered of course. I used the ZX6D speedo drive from Ron Ayers and my speedometer errors is usually 1% or less in comparison to gps based on several thousand of miles traveled since mod.

I'm very interested in any solutions to the 17inch fender substitution.
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Re: Educate me please......
« Reply #26 on: November 22, 2011, 10:53:55 pm »
Handyman is correct, those are the only two real options.  Some owners have made one-off welded up wheels using the spokes and rim from one motorcycle and the hub from a C10, but you really have to know what you're doing to be safe with that option.  I actually think it is great that we have more than one option, given the specific hub dimensions required for the shaft drive.  Swapping wheels is much easier with a chain drive.

BTW, I read that Kosman has changed ownership, and that workmanship and customer service has suffered as a result.  Can anyone confirm that?
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Re: Educate me please......
« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2011, 04:35:46 pm »
BTW, I read that Kosman has changed ownership, and that workmanship and customer service has suffered as a result.  Can anyone confirm that?


First I've heard of this (but I wouldn't be all that surprised necessarily). Sanford (Sandy) Kosman is the original owner and he isn't getting any younger. He doesn't do any of the actual work at the outfit, his expert designers and machinists do. He is really a spark plug, he's got more energy and ideas than most people I know or have ever met.

If in fact he has retired I think he would go nuts sitting around with nothing to do (that's just my opinion). He is quite a character, an engaging personality. He joked that I would put his motorcycle wheel (Concours) modification enterprise out of business when I showed up with a Mean Streak wheel for his machinists to modify. It was intended as a compliment of course.

Interesting story: Within minutes of having first met Sandy he could tell I had some knowledge and capabilites. He gave me a complete tour of his facilities and showed me dozens of projects he had underway. He was constantly asking me what I thought and asked my opinion on several design related issues, some generic, some pretty gnarly. This guy wasn't afraid to try anything, very creative. I went there intending on dropping off my wheel and ended up staying for more than three hours looking over all kinds of cool projects.

On their website (http://kosmanspecialties.com/) they do announce a change in ownership but Sandy is still doing the wheel conversion business. I would recommend giving Sandy a call, he is a great guy to talk to.

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Re: Educate me please......
« Reply #28 on: November 25, 2011, 07:07:42 pm »
Dan,

I read about the issues on the ZG/GTR forum, apparently someone there had a wheel done, and there were issues with runout that Kosman was reluctant to do anything about.  It may have been an isolated incident,  so I was hoping others could share any recent experience that could confirm or negate it.
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Re: Educate me please......
« Reply #29 on: November 29, 2011, 02:42:41 pm »
I think a ZR7 or ZX600 fender might fit, but so far I don't think anyone has tried it.

What year will I be looking at Gary?

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Re: Educate me please......
« Reply #30 on: November 29, 2011, 03:23:32 pm »
duh, never mind.  I realized you were talking about the front fender......
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Re: Educate me please......
« Reply #31 on: November 29, 2011, 03:28:21 pm »
I think a ZR7 or ZX600 fender might fit, but so far I don't think anyone has tried it.


What year will I be looking at Gary?

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You might want to look at a ZRX front fender also to see if it might fit:



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Re: Educate me please......
« Reply #32 on: November 29, 2011, 07:56:24 pm »
I think a ZR7 or ZX600 fender might fit, but so far I don't think anyone has tried it.


What year will I be looking at Gary?

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For the ZX7 or ZX6 fenders, it would be the same years as the compatible wheels, plus I think the later model ZX6 (1994 to 1998?) might work, too.  As Dan mentioned, the ZRX is a possibility, too, though the ZX6 fenders seem to be the most plentiful, at least on eBay.  Perhaps one like this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/91-Kawasaki-Ninja-ZX6-600-Front-Fender-No-Cracks-/300612525845?hash=item45fde71f15&item=300612525845&pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr

It looks scuffed but paintable.

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Re: Educate me please......
« Reply #33 on: November 30, 2011, 01:20:24 am »
Well Damn you all!  What with this talk about 17" this and 17" that did you think I would lay down and just take this heresy!  :32:

This specious brand of blaspheny has no place here!   :96:

Oh no, no no! THIS WILL NOT DUE!

Being adamantly against this evil trend and in an attempt to save someone else from this aweful mistake I, with great benevolence, have decided to remove two of these offending items from the marketplace.

I now own a  ZX6 front rim and a Mean Streak (with rotor) rear rim.   :P

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(In other words I'll be bugging you guys until I get it right!)

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Re: Educate me please......
« Reply #34 on: November 30, 2011, 12:14:34 pm »

I now own a  ZX6 front rim and a Mean Streak (with rotor) rear rim.   :P


The meanstreak rear rotor will not work with the Connie caliper.  you need a nomad front rotor that's 280 mm.  (it's been a while, so if I'm wrong on that, someone please correct me).

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Re: Educate me please......
« Reply #35 on: November 30, 2011, 12:19:50 pm »

I now own a  ZX6 front rim and a Mean Streak (with rotor) rear rim.   :P


The meanstreak rear rotor will not work with the Connie caliper.  you need a nomad front rotor that's 280 mm.  (it's been a while, so if I'm wrong on that, someone please correct me).
The only problem with the Meanstreak rotor is that it is 10mm too large.  I turned mine down and it's been working fine for over two years.  THe rotor IS pretty hard and cutting into the holes on a lathe ruined a few bits, but take it slow and you can avoid that or use a mill and that should work fine.
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Re: Educate me please......
« Reply #36 on: November 30, 2011, 12:22:01 pm »
+1  thanks for the reminder Rev!   :beerchug:

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Re: Educate me please......
« Reply #37 on: November 30, 2011, 03:14:05 pm »
Thanks Bergman and GF-in-CA, I'll work with one of those ideas.
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Re: Educate me please......
« Reply #38 on: December 01, 2011, 02:10:01 pm »
Have you ridden on the new wheel yet?

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« Reply #39 on: December 01, 2011, 03:05:01 pm »
Have you ridden on the new wheel yet?
I'm not sure who this was aimed at, but I have ridden the Meanstreak wheel for two years now and have been running the 170/60-17 Roadsmart tire.  I'm thinking next time I need to go to the narrower/taller tire.  I personally felt the bike handled better with its original wheel tire combo and Avons.  I will certainly be trying different tires.  Probably Michelin PR3s next time and if I don't like that, I'll go back to Avons.  The Roadsmart is good traction for accel/decel, but I'm not all that impressed in the rain (its big selling feature) and its dry cornering isn't that impressive either.  If I can't herd it around corners I'm not interested.  WHile the larger rim and short profile of the 170 tire SHOULD yield a larger contact patch, and consequently better grip, I'm not at all convinced the Roadsmarts are MY kind of tire.  I particularly didn't like the RPM increase of the 170/60 tire either as it makes the desire for a seventh gear doubly exaggerated. LOL
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Re: Educate me please......
« Reply #40 on: December 01, 2011, 03:38:58 pm »
Have you ridden on the new wheel yet?
I'm not sure who this was aimed at, but I have ridden the Meanstreak wheel for two years now and have been running the 170/60-17 Roadsmart tire.  I'm thinking next time I need to go to the narrower/taller tire.  I personally felt the bike handled better with its original wheel tire combo and Avons.  I will certainly be trying different tires.  Probably Michelin PR3s next time and if I don't like that, I'll go back to Avons.  The Roadsmart is good traction for accel/decel, but I'm not all that impressed in the rain (its big selling feature) and its dry cornering isn't that impressive either.  If I can't herd it around corners I'm not interested.  WHile the larger rim and short profile of the 170 tire SHOULD yield a larger contact patch, and consequently better grip, I'm not at all convinced the Roadsmarts are MY kind of tire.  I particularly didn't like the RPM increase of the 170/60 tire either as it makes the desire for a seventh gear doubly exaggerated. LOL

Chuck, if you lived closer I'd let you borrow my MS wheel with the 160/70 on it so you could do a direct comparo. I have not ridden with the 170/60 so I can't advise on that. BUT, the 160/70 is slightly taller than the stock 150/80 ZR16 so it does help with lowering highway rpm a smidge. Along with the 7th gear, it works wonders.

Also, I think there is something in the profile differences. The 160/70 is narrower and taller where the 170/60 is wider. In my case, the 160/70 is in perfect harmony with the profile of the front which is a 120/70 ZR17 (I run Storm 2 Ultras F/R).

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Re: Educate me please......
« Reply #41 on: December 01, 2011, 03:51:38 pm »
Have you ridden on the new wheel yet?
I'm not sure who this was aimed at, but I have ridden the Meanstreak wheel for two years now and have been running the 170/60-17 Roadsmart tire.  I'm thinking next time I need to go to the narrower/taller tire.  I personally felt the bike handled better with its original wheel tire combo and Avons.  I will certainly be trying different tires.  Probably Michelin PR3s next time and if I don't like that, I'll go back to Avons.  The Roadsmart is good traction for accel/decel, but I'm not all that impressed in the rain (its big selling feature) and its dry cornering isn't that impressive either.  If I can't herd it around corners I'm not interested.  WHile the larger rim and short profile of the 170 tire SHOULD yield a larger contact patch, and consequently better grip, I'm not at all convinced the Roadsmarts are MY kind of tire.  I particularly didn't like the RPM increase of the 170/60 tire either as it makes the desire for a seventh gear doubly exaggerated. LOL

Thanks Rev, but I was aiming that to Ron to see if he's got the front on yet and how he feels about it.  I'm running the MS rear now.  My first tire on it has been a shinko 009 in a 170/60 size.  it's definitely raised the RPMs, but now that I'm used to it, I don't find it an issue.  Otherwise, my results have been positive.  My next step will be the 17 front.  Maybe my winter project if I can get some other things out of the way.  :)

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Re: Educate me please......
« Reply #42 on: December 01, 2011, 05:13:02 pm »
Dave,
Sorry to get in the way.  I have the 17 front, but since it is with different forks, etc. it's not a fair comparison so I'll just leave that alone.

Dan,
Yeah, I don't know if it will be better with just a different tire.  The Roadsmarts had such great press when they came out and since I've never been totally happy with the Azaro in the rain I thought I'd give them a go.  I haven't gotten to ride all that much the last two years, but I can say that I've put about 6k on these tires which is almost twice what I could get from the Azaro/Storm combo in stock sizes.  My first priority ALWAYS is grip with wear a secondary but still important thing.  I've also run a set of Pilot Powers (not the 2C) and they were incredible for stick, but only good for about 1500 miles of awesome riding before they went away and were just funky, cupped, and flat worn out.  If I could get 4-5k out of a set of tires and feel safe under power I'd be thrilled.  I know I can over power any tire in a corner, but... 

I have to admit my naivete, from the magazine reviews I expected the Roadsmarts to rival the Avons for dry stick, excel over them in the rain, while still delivering improved mileage.  The mileage is all I thought it would be, but the rest has been disappointing though cupping (a real issue for me) is not too bad.  My overall opinion is nothing beats a decent Michelin in the rain (their silica content is generally higher than others), nothing beats an avon in the dry, and higher mileage ALMOST ALWAYS means less grip.  Still looking for that perfect combo.  At least with the 17" rims I have choices to compare, so I reckon the search goes on.  I'd love to try out the Storm 2 ultra rear without buying a set. LOL 
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Re: Educate me please......
« Reply #43 on: December 01, 2011, 07:46:52 pm »
Rev,

Have you considered any of the Shinko line?  I have some 011's on right now, and am really happy with them.  They've done everything I've asked of them, including a lot of tight twisties and 2 up and haven't put a foot wrong yet.  I like the turn in with them, and they seem to hold a line pretty well.  I had some 009's and they seem to want to fall into the turn more than I like, but I like these.  I'm also really happy with the wear, especially since I heard that they are a low mileage tire.  So far I have 3000 miles on them, and it looks like I'll get at least double that. One thing I don't do a lot of is ride in the rain, and the 011's don't look to have a good rain tread, but I can't really say how well they do there.  I really want to try the Avons I have in the garage, but have to wait a little longer than I expected, which is not a bad thing in this case LOL.  I haven't worked my way through a lot of tires like you have, nor do I have a turbo, but it may be worth looking in to, especially for the price.
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Re: Educate me please......
« Reply #44 on: December 01, 2011, 11:26:51 pm »
Have you ridden on the new wheel yet?
I'm not sure who this was aimed at, but I have ridden the Meanstreak wheel for two years now and have been running the 170/60-17 Roadsmart tire.  I'm thinking next time I need to go to the narrower/taller tire.  I personally felt the bike handled better with its original wheel tire combo and Avons.  I will certainly be trying different tires.  Probably Michelin PR3s next time and if I don't like that, I'll go back to Avons.  The Roadsmart is good traction for accel/decel, but I'm not all that impressed in the rain (its big selling feature) and its dry cornering isn't that impressive either.  If I can't herd it around corners I'm not interested.  WHile the larger rim and short profile of the 170 tire SHOULD yield a larger contact patch, and consequently better grip, I'm not at all convinced the Roadsmarts are MY kind of tire.  I particularly didn't like the RPM increase of the 170/60 tire either as it makes the desire for a seventh gear doubly exaggerated. LOL

Thanks Rev, but I was aiming that to Ron to see if he's got the front on yet and how he feels about it.  I'm running the MS rear now.  My first tire on it has been a shinko 009 in a 170/60 size.  it's definitely raised the RPMs, but now that I'm used to it, I don't find it an issue.  Otherwise, my results have been positive.  My next step will be the 17 front.  Maybe my winter project if I can get some other things out of the way.  :)

Sorry Sport Rider, no not yet, since I have time I'm going to roll he dice an order that other fender to see if I can close the gap, to make it look more uniformed.

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Re: Educate me please......
« Reply #45 on: December 02, 2011, 12:20:04 pm »
Gee...you would think a guy would post some pictures of the gap, wouldn't you?   ???

;) ;) ;)

(if you happen to have any or could take some, I'm curious to see what the gap looks like.)

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« Reply #46 on: December 02, 2011, 03:31:58 pm »
It doesn't sound like Ron has installed his wheel yet, but handyman posted a picture of the 17" wheel with the original fender in another thread:

http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php/topic,29166.msg127478.html#msg127478

Also, there is a picture of a C10 with the original fender at the end of the tech article for the wheel swap.

HTH,
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« Reply #47 on: December 02, 2011, 06:13:50 pm »
It doesn't sound like Ron has installed his wheel yet, but handyman posted a picture of the 17" wheel with the original fender in another thread:

http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php/topic,29166.msg127478.html#msg127478

Also, there is a picture of a C10 with the original fender at the end of the tech article for the wheel swap.

HTH,


Your right I don't even have the tires yet. But I will post a before and after pic, Sport Rider.

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Re: Educate me please......
« Reply #48 on: December 02, 2011, 06:48:59 pm »
this project is going way too slow!  I'm going to have to order mine and pass ya!   :P

Hope my posts don't offend you.  just some good-natured ribbing.  :)

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« Reply #49 on: December 02, 2011, 07:21:32 pm »
hey...I was reading another thread discussing raising the fender for clearance reasons by slotting the bolt holes.  I wonder if that would work the other way to lower the fender for the 17 inch wheel.  Hmmm....