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How much tire do YOU use?
« on: July 28, 2013, 11:06:31 pm »
I have been thinking about starting this thread and though I have no picture up now, I will post one. I would like to see how much of the front and rear tire people are using. I have been getting close to the edge on my Avon's but haven't scraped pegs yet. So, for those who are nervous about leaning it too much may gain confidence from those who lean way over and the bravest of braves will have some bragging rights.
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Re: How much tire do YOU use?
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2013, 12:39:28 am »
I have gotten to the edges of my new Angel Gt's on numerous occasions and drag my boots but haven't gotten to the pegs yet. SOON!
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Re: How much tire do YOU use?
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2013, 01:03:56 am »
Well, I had very little chicken strips left on my Avons after a day at the track.  My highway pegs (mounted to Tip-over Bars) dragged on several occasions.

Note: The boots are switched in this pic.  The top one was my left boot, bottom was the right.  Those are the outer edges that are worn through.
Granted, the bike has KneeSavers on it, so my toes drag before the pegs touch.
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Re: How much tire do YOU use?
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2013, 04:57:03 am »
I have flat spots on both feeler pegs. The only places I can do that around here are a few select cloverleaf exit loops in Ft. Wayne and one good set of curves (can see completely through them plus new asphalt) about 20 miles north of me. Straight roads suck!  There's one rider on this forum recently who posted pics of road rash on his lower bodywork AND his shift lever !!  Now that's bendin-er-over !

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Re: How much tire do YOU use?
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2013, 11:46:58 pm »
I don't claim to be a pro, but I do know this- the better we position our bodies, the less the bike actually needs to lean and the less likely you are to scrape a peg.

To extremes, I can be counter leaning and scraping pegs, and you can have good body position (even if barely hanging off a wee bit) and not even close to scraping.  In this scenario, you would be way faster in the turn than me. 

Killboy has plenty of pics of counter leaning peg scrapers.  Cool, but we can strive to get better. 

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Re: How much tire do YOU use?
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2013, 12:51:21 am »
A lot depends on the tires themselves, i.e., I have a 160/60 on my sportbike and running it relatively hard in the turns I have about 3/8" of chicken strip.  With Wang Tars on the Connie, the rear is a 160/80, meaning the tread doesn't wrap as far around the sides.  Pushing it slightly and dragging the knee savers a little, there's no chicken strip at all, which tells me I can't really run it hard without running out of tread and risking life and limb as well as sanity.  Oh well, says I, I didn't buy it as a fastbike anyway, and IMHO trying to run a Connie with a sportbike is a little like trying to remove lugnuts with an open-end wrench.  It can be done, but it ain't easy and you'd better know what you're doing.
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Re: How much tire do YOU use?
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2013, 02:54:50 am »
Alekkas, I'm with you on this one.

Far too many pics on Killboy of riders striving to keep there upper body vertical while the bike is leaned over with sparks trailing behind. You don't have to drag a knee, but do shift your weight in the right direction.
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Re: How much tire do YOU use?
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2013, 03:27:43 am »
I only use the black and round portions of my tires!   :nananana: :nananana: :nananana: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
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Re: How much tire do YOU use?
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2013, 08:44:28 am »
A lot depends on the tires themselves, i.e., I have a 160/60 on my sportbike and running it relatively hard in the turns I have about 3/8" of chicken strip.  With Wang Tars on the Connie, the rear is a 160/80, meaning the tread doesn't wrap as far around the sides.  Pushing it slightly and dragging the knee savers a little, there's no chicken strip at all, which tells me I can't really run it hard without running out of tread and risking life and limb as well as sanity.  Oh well, says I, I didn't buy it as a fastbike anyway, and IMHO trying to run a Connie with a sportbike is a little like trying to remove lugnuts with an open-end wrench.  It can be done, but it ain't easy and you'd better know what you're doing.
This is true. Can't compete with a MODERN sport bike with a rider that knows how to go but if you un-screw all the plastic on our bikes you are looking at a sportbike of old. Does feel cool when a HD whatever is scraping pegs and using the whole lane to corner and you can scoot right up to their tail without much work. Especially when they are really trying to get away. BTDT >:D
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Re: How much tire do YOU use?
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2013, 08:45:58 am »
 :great: :motonoises:
I only use the black and round portions of my tires!   :nananana: :nananana: :nananana: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
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Re: How much tire do YOU use?
« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2013, 09:04:10 am »
Alekkas, I'm with you on this one.

Far too many pics on Killboy of riders striving to keep there upper body vertical while the bike is leaned over with sparks trailing behind. You don't have to drag a knee, but do shift your weight in the right direction.

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Using these techniques I find that during typical street riding there is no need for extreme lean angles except on the really tight twisties like the Dragon.

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Re: How much tire do YOU use?
« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2013, 02:24:49 pm »
The lean is the best part. I practice my turns and leaning every day I ride and try to get down as much as possible when I take turns.

I'm still learning how to ride Mae and think my next course will be the ARC.

When I did the Dragon in May, I did drag peg a couple of times. It was amazing! So much fun.  :great:
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Re: How much tire do YOU use?
« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2013, 06:37:33 pm »
We use a big yellow crayon and mark a 1/2" -1" section of our tires so that we can see the Yellow Chicken Marks that are left after a ride.
(No it does not slip as the line we draw is only 1 inch wide).
It does "clearly" show you what your using.

Add: We originally did the yellow marker thing for bragging rights,,, but think we discovered something from using it......

Discovered that the faster riders do not necessarily have the smallest Chicken marks.
In fact they are often the widest section of yellow.
I assume this is Indicating their moving their weight more and leaning the bike less.

(with the same rider aboard) The Wing sized tires generally have the smallest (or no) chicken marks. (May be getting closer to disaster).
                                             The radials have a larger chicken mark and signs of more grinding and heat scudffing on the area that is used.
                                               (Prolly indicates faster speeds in the turns)

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Re: How much tire do YOU use?
« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2013, 08:24:28 pm »
We use a big yellow crayon and mark a 1/2" -1" section of our tires so that we can see the Yellow Chicken Marks that are left after a ride.
(No it does not slip as the line we draw is only 1 inch wide).
But it does clearly show you what your using.

Discovered that the faster riders do not necessarily have the smallest Chicken marks.
In fact they are often the widest section of yellow.
I assume this is Indicating their moving their weight more and leaning the bike less.

(with the same rider aboard) The Wing sized tires generally have the smallest (or no) chicken marks. (May be getting closer to disaster).
                                             The radials have a larger chicken mark and signs of more grinding and heat scudffing on the area that is used.
                                               (Prolly indicates faster speeds in the turns)

Ride safe, Ted

Those are interesting observations.   Think I'm going to try this just for kicks.
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Re: How much tire do YOU use?
« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2013, 09:26:28 pm »
I'll have a yellow marker with me at the Nat'l.

If anyone wants to use it,, fine with me.

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Re: How much tire do YOU use?
« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2013, 11:10:24 pm »
This is a fun discussion. I am learning for sure. I am no vet and learn everyday. I really like the marker trick. I use my hips to move my weight around and kind of slide my but one way or the other when in the good twisties and have really noticed faster corner entry and the feeling I could have gotten in there lots faster. When riding normal and not moving in the seat I can sometimes get the feeling that I am going way too fast entering and roll off the throttle. The thing is, I am entering faster when using body. It really makes a instant difference.
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Re: How much tire do YOU use?
« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2013, 12:01:09 am »
Because I have a very soft suspension (makes for smooooooooooth cruising on the slab), I keep my RPMs up and slow down before the turn, entering slower than I would with a fastbike.  Soon as I enter the turn, I give it a bit of throttle to keep the bike level, then watch for the apex, ready to roll it on hard.  I've found that with the Connie at least, this method feels safer and ends up being faster than entering fast and having the bike out of shape.  Just my $0.02.
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Re: How much tire do YOU use?
« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2013, 12:20:00 pm »
You paid for the whole tire, might as well use it!  :))
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Re: How much tire do YOU use?
« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2013, 05:15:47 pm »
OK, I ain't Roger racer. Never did a track day.
but I know one thing,,,, Ya'll are working too hard.   :motonoises:

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Quit thinking about it and let it happen!

I got this from a guy at my first COG event.     
Since then,,,, Every time I ride with a new guy at a COG event, I offer this, because it's  "EZ and very simple"......
AND IT WORKS!!!!

When you go into a turn,,,    "point" your chin where you want to go. (meaning; lean forward and "point" yer "chin" towards the corner you are approaching)
As you go thru the turn, (and if you want to change your line) "point" your chin where you want to go.
As you come out of the turn,  "point" your chin where you want to go.

Do "the chin" and worry more about braking, throttle control, and where you are in the turn.  "The rest will happen".

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Re: How much tire do YOU use?
« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2013, 06:50:57 pm »
Both MSF courses stated the same thing. Turn your head in the direction you want to go and your body will naturally follow. This skill was critical when I did the Dragon. It's so tempting to look at the scenery or to look over that embankment. I focused on the the road, turned my head where I wanted to go and my body did the rest. :)
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Re: How much tire do YOU use?
« Reply #20 on: July 31, 2013, 07:54:58 pm »
Don't just turn your head... "Lean forward a bit,,, and "Point yer Chin".....

The Chin Point helps you to lean, but mostly it semi-automatically makes you put force on the handlebar beneath your chin... Thus initiating lean/turn.
Push harder to turn more....  :great:

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Re: How much tire do YOU use?
« Reply #21 on: July 31, 2013, 08:28:34 pm »
Pointing yer chin works because it automatically keeps yer eyes level with the horizon. If you tilt your head with the bike, centripetal force (centrifugal(?) I still get em mixed up) creates a false gravity in your inner ear that is disorienting. Try it both ways -eyes level, then tilted, around a curve that you know well. It's rather spooky.
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Re: How much tire do YOU use?
« Reply #22 on: July 31, 2013, 11:46:45 pm »
Absolutely.  Bend that inside elbow as you lean forward to "point that chin". Instant lean.  Looking through the turn always.
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Re: How much tire do YOU use?
« Reply #23 on: August 01, 2013, 12:45:47 am »
Wow....so much great info here ya'll. Thank god for the interweb or I would likely have never heard this stuff. Ted, between the chalk and chin I cant wait for the d's, e's, f's and so on.  :allhail:
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Re: How much tire do YOU use?
« Reply #24 on: August 01, 2013, 02:18:20 am »
Like I sed, I'm not Roger Racer. Never been trained. So this is mostly opinion.
Others can tell you far more than I can....
I just try to use the KISS principal.
Keep It Simple, Stupid...

The Chin Point helps you to lean, but mostly it semi-automatically makes you put force on the handlebar beneath your chin... Thus initiating lean/turn.
Push harder to turn more....  :great:

The main thing is plant yer butt, do not try to move your body, etc... don't think about yer body,,,, just Point yer chin and the rest happens.
Oh,,, AND Always "Ride the Pace"!!

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