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Offline V8shadow

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I have a confession to make
« on: April 06, 2013, 05:07:12 am »
  Local shop quoted me $35 to remove old tires, mount new ones and balance.  Figuring more than $70 just to have tires put on, I took it upon myself to do it.
  Was such a BIT$$ just to get the bead broke today.  I couldn't believe it.  Then tonight when it came time to get the tire off, things got worse.  I watched youtube videos of countless people doing this and making it look so easy.  Once I saw how stubborn this tire was going to be, and the fact that I was improvising with the tools to do the job, I caved and cut the tire off with a cut-off wheel while I had the bead pryed up and away from the rim.  Yeah, I cheated.  I felt guilty while doing it because I really have never heard of anyone else doing this.  It filled the garage with tire smoke, sparked alot at the bead, and was dusty.  After the tire was cut completely through, it sure came off nice.  I could see that the bead had quite a hold of the rim and looked like the tire had adhered to the sealing surface for a loooong time.  I'm using steel wool to clean up the inside of the rim of all the old rubber that adhered.

  I have done some pretty complicated things to my classic car, all self taught and self done.  Right now though......I feel like a hack. ::)
« Last Edit: April 06, 2013, 05:32:18 am by v8shadow »
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Re: I have a confession to make
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2013, 08:14:51 am »
Toss that guilt out the window, cuz now you've heard of someone else doing it. I've been changing and balancing my own for awhile now. I don't have a tire changer, and until last week I didn't have a bead breaker. (Harbor Freight $40).  I was breaking the bead under the foot of my Hi-lift jack under back bumper of truck (requires 2x4's under wheel and help of a friend to carefully position everything).
After wrestling off a couple tires with spoons I decided no more. There has to be an easier way.
After prying bead over rim (with nylon rim protector of course), I padded a C-clamp with duct tape and anchored spoon in place, carefully. Now I cut the bead right above the spoon, spoon protects rim.
Flip wheel over and repeat. A thin cutting wheel that is worn down to about 3 in. dia. gives better control.
Cut slowly and carefully. If you don't have much experience with a high speed metal cutting wheel, this method is probably not recommended. The rubber can grab the wheel if grinder is not well controlled and kept straight. Yes, I feel like a hack, but grinning with zero guilt.
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Re: I have a confession to make
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2013, 10:46:04 am »
Some tires, generally radials, pop right off. But some heavy bias tires REFUSE to come off. I have cut off tires as you did. Funny, I felt no guilt at all, just happy to get the tire off  ;)  Steve
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Re: I have a confession to make
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2013, 11:02:39 am »
Ok, I feel better, done the cut off wheel thing to get the tire off before too.
Lately I've been doing the $35 thing. I don't miss breathing in the burnt rubber.
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Re: I have a confession to make
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2013, 01:13:32 pm »
Now we have to issue numbers for "Connie Tire Cutters Anonymous"?

Ah, yeah, been there, done that. After struggling for what seemed like hours, I cut the bead with a saws-all. Well, tried to anyway.  :-[ Don't remember what I finished up with. The saws-all did a good job cutting away the rubber, but I couldn't hold the bead steady enough for it to cut the wire.
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Re: I have a confession to make
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2013, 01:14:50 pm »
hrm, i have yet to ever cut a tire off, i always break the beads, then spoon it off, and then spoon the new one on(i always use a soapy water mix to help slick things up in the bead area)
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Re: I have a confession to make
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2013, 07:30:47 pm »
  Reading these replies with a big smile.  Yes, now I don't feel like Tigger the Tiger "I'm the only one" LOL.  Funny thing now is I tried many places looking for tire irons and rim protectors to NO avail.  I even had a lady at Sears Auto tell me it was "impossible" for me to remove a tire without their special machine.  I love to hear that, because that means I am totally sticking it to the man when I learn to do it myself.
  So, where do we find these tire spoons or tire irons?  Is online the ony way??

Flatspot:  Does it work to just cut the bead the way you did?  I went ahead and cut the tire all the way through.  Was that overkill?
« Last Edit: April 06, 2013, 07:32:21 pm by v8shadow »
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Re: I have a confession to make
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2013, 07:54:09 pm »
I've always had far more difficulty getting the new tire on than taking the old tire off.  (Excluding breaking the bead, but a HF tire changer makes that easy work now.)
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Re: I have a confession to make
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2013, 08:16:16 pm »
Almost every motorcycle gear shop sells tire spoons , around here the number one place is Cyclegear , they usually have 3 different brands and sizes Several of the small ones and a large one are pretty handy to have onhand . I am also luckyto have a friend with one of those Harbor Freight tire changing machines handy too , did both my tires at his place .
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Re: I have a confession to make
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2013, 08:41:46 pm »
  Ok, I went to one of the towing shops my agency uses for tows with two small tire levers we got it done quick.  I was able to see that one of the problems with taking off the tire last night was the fact that there was little to no stretch to the Dunlop that I took off.  The Avon we just installed, went on like a rubber band with little to no effort.
  He said with the levers he used we didn't need any rim protectors when I pointed it out.  I just let him do his thing, not wanting to look a gift horse in the mouth.   I watched and he used very little umph to get the job done, so I figured it wasn't rough on the rim.  Shoot, I did more damage in the way of outer nicks and gouges then anyone ever would.   :(

  No sad faces, I got one tire done!  For free! :)
« Last Edit: April 06, 2013, 08:46:48 pm by v8shadow »
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Re: I have a confession to make
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2013, 10:33:32 pm »
v8shadow---Full disclosure--I do cut the tire all the way through although you don't have to to get it off.

These days they're called irons I guess but I call em spoons cuz my Grandpa did. The big-old set he had
(2 feet long) actually looked like flattened spoons.  Just about all bike shops/dealerships should have em.

I've never had any trouble putting the new tire on, or getting the first bead off the old one. It was that second bead that gave me trouble. Oh well, I like my cutting wheel.  :great:



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Re: I have a confession to make
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2013, 01:57:36 pm »
A couple of times I've had to cut through the bead, most times tire irons are enough. Getting the bead to seat is sometimes a problem.

A couple of frugal tips:

A 5" C-clamp does a pretty good job of bead breaking.

Bead protectors - If you buy one of those plastic tubes that connect water pipe to faucet (hard plastic, about $1) and cut a 3" length, then cut a slot with a hack saw, instant bead protector.

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Re: I have a confession to make
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2013, 05:16:57 pm »
If you have access to a decent sized bench vice it breaks the beads easy.

Good lube in a spray bottle is extreamly helpful. I use dilute P-80 rubber lubricant emulsion. It provides temporary lubrication and works great.

I am thinking of buying a yellow thing bead retaining tool to help install the top bead. That is the only part of changing tires that gives me any trouble. Two hands isn't enough! I wind up holding one of my three spoons with my knee.

I have had to cut a few tires off that had sat on wheels for many years and were hard as rocks. I managed to spoon the 12 year old Metzlers off that were on van winkle. I used the big bench vise to break the beads.





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Re: I have a confession to make
« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2013, 01:20:57 am »
I do my own tires and all the other COGGERS in the area.  Here's a version of my bead breaker.

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Re: I have a confession to make
« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2013, 01:39:49 am »
Goatmar,  that is absolutely freekin beautiful simple !!   I coulda saved $40.00

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Re: I have a confession to make
« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2013, 02:15:40 am »
Hey Dave, pretty much exactly the setup that I use. I really feel no need to buy a tire changer. My cheapo 2x4 box works like a charm. I just kneel on the tire and pop that sucker off and on.
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Re: I have a confession to make
« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2013, 03:22:10 am »
  Local shop quoted me $35 to remove old tires, mount new ones and balance.  Figuring more than $70 just to have tires put on, I took it upon myself to do it.
  Was such a BIT$$ just to get the bead broke today.  I couldn't believe it.  Then tonight when it came time to get the tire off, things got worse.  I watched youtube videos of countless people doing this and making it look so easy.  Once I saw how stubborn this tire was going to be, and the fact that I was improvising with the tools to do the job, I caved and cut the tire off with a cut-off wheel while I had the bead pryed up and away from the rim.  Yeah, I cheated.  I felt guilty while doing it because I really have never heard of anyone else doing this.  It filled the garage with tire smoke, sparked alot at the bead, and was dusty.  After the tire was cut completely through, it sure came off nice.  I could see that the bead had quite a hold of the rim and looked like the tire had adhered to the sealing surface for a loooong time.  I'm using steel wool to clean up the inside of the rim of all the old rubber that adhered.

  I have done some pretty complicated things to my classic car, all self taught and self done.  Right now though......I feel like a hack. ::)


I'll pull the wheels  but it just ain't worth my time to change out the tires and balance them myself. I can't make my time worth that little. 

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« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2013, 10:05:52 am »
WOW....I'm not real sure what that means, but......

Some of us do it because we HAVE TO pinch pennies.

Some of us do it for the satisfaction of knowing how.

Some of us do it so we know it was done right.

Some of us do it because we WANT TO pinch pennies.

Some of us do it (and other stuff) to feel less helpless out on the road.

I'm sure there are more reasons but for now,  I'll check ---ALL THE ABOVE---

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Re: I have a confession to make
« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2013, 11:12:08 am »
I've got access to an auto tire changing machine so it takes me approx 36 seconds to remove and mount one tire!  :)  Sorry I just had to add this! 
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Re: I have a confession to make
« Reply #19 on: April 08, 2013, 02:40:14 pm »
With tire machine ? Absolutely . Without ? I'm with Craig....got better things to spend time on .
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Re: I have a confession to make
« Reply #20 on: April 08, 2013, 02:50:13 pm »
I actually spend less time doing my own than I would either removing my wheels (or dropping off the bike) and making two trips to drop off and retrieve them from some outside installer.  I save time AND money, and know it is done right. YMMV
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Re: I have a confession to make
« Reply #21 on: April 08, 2013, 07:18:28 pm »
I went to motorcycle-superstore.com, followed their "preferred installer" link and found a local guy changing tires out of his garage, charges me $20 if I bring the wheels to him. I can also have the tires shipped directly to his house, he calls when they show up, I show up with my wheels and within 15 minutes I'm on my way home. AND he treats (us) pretty well, even "cleaned up" my wheel (apparently the PO did his own tire changes with a screwdriver). Now I have 2 sets of wheels, well 3 but one set is for sale, with discs, so I run the "off set" up to put tires on, and then swap wheels.

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Re: I have a confession to make
« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2013, 04:10:21 pm »
Honestly fellows when it came down to it, the reason that I did it myself is because I didn't want to get screwed by some shop, as opposed to getting a few essential tools and using the brain God gave me.  As for my difficulty, I think it was due to the fact that it was my first go on some old hard tires with the preconceived notion that I had the adequate equipment handy.  My time is more valuable than anyone else who claims that their time is more valuable that, because its MY time!  However I would rather take a whole day to learn and eventually accomplish a task myself than pay a shop an hours tech wage for a job that takes them 5 min per tire!  I know they need to make a profit, but gouging is another matter, and no matter what the difficulty, I will not allow myself to get taken just because its a little hard.
  This is the core premise of why we pride ourselves on being able to band together the way we do to stick it to the man. 
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Re: I have a confession to make
« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2013, 03:03:58 pm »
Best rim protectors are free!
I bought the nylon rim protectors, and they are pretty, hold themselves in place, and even have little ropes to pull them out when you drop them... but they are THICK. The extra thickness just makes it as you are pulling a 16" tire from a 16.5" rim, due to the extra distance you have to stretch the tires.
When I was shown how to change tires, Dave used several pieces he had cut from plastic milk jugs (or windshield washer fluid bottle). I tried using the bought protectors, and after a real struggle, I took a washer bottle, cut four squares about 4" per side, and it was MUCH easier to do the job. :great:
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Re: I have a confession to make
« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2013, 05:21:23 pm »
I do my own tires and all the other COGGERS in the area.  Here's a version of my bead breaker.
Well, I have a redneck version of this classy lookin' rig.  Mine is made with a tree step on a tree a few feet outside my shop door.  I tried to use one like this pic once on my back porch, but pulled the beam out of the cement and lifted the whole durn porch tryin'.  The tree never budges and never complains no matter how stuck a bead is.

AND if you just wanna do the cut thang... I have found that a plasma cutter carefully wielded can get the rim out of the tire without damage to the tire.   :-[ :-[ :-[
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