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Inexpensive Fork Emulators?
« on: December 18, 2018, 04:08:14 pm »
In another discussion about Race Tech Emulators someone posted these "damper valves" as an inexpensive alternative to Emulators.
The guy, "said" they will fit in the C-10's, he installed some, and they work the same as Race Tech.. 
   {Trying to find his posting again}..

Has anyone used them or know anything about them?

Did a little research: I think their a Chinese copy of the Race Tech's, but they are not sold as coming from China?
                              The spring in these is compatible {in force} to the Race Tech {Blue Spring} and the Dampers seem to be a similar
                                design to the Emulators.

NOTE:  The original Ebay posting had these in the $49 range {plus shipping}.
             I found them for $39 {plus shipping}.

Original posting;
https://www.ebay.com/itm/41mm-Fork-Damper-Valve-For-Harley-Davidson/232561612278?epid=671622052&hash=item3625c095f6:g:7BoAAOSw6VRaCsDu:rk:6:pf:0

$39 Posting;
https://www.ebay.com/itm/41mm-Fork-Damper-Valves-TC-88-Softail-Touring-Dyna-FXST-FLST-FXDWG-FLT-2000-UP/172661938134?epid=671622052&hash=item28337417d6:g:q48AAOSw2GlXD-PA:rk:8:pf:0

If you own a Harley in GB $96;
https://www.ebay.com/itm/41mm-Fork-Damper-Valve-For-Harley-Davidson/232871663568?epid=9010350188&hash=item36383b97d0:g:J9EAAOSwoVNaIUnh:rk:9:pf:0

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PS: Ignore the Harley part.  :rotflmao:
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Re: Inexpensive Emulators?
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2018, 01:05:01 am »
I used the knock-offs in a Suzuki SV650, worked like a charm.

http://web.ncf.ca/ag136/SV650/forkEmulators.html

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Re: Inexpensive Emulators?
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2018, 04:35:17 am »
Thanks George.
I just ordered a set. Will give them a try.
Any extra suggestions?

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Re: Inexpensive Emulators?
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2018, 01:15:37 pm »
. . . Any extra suggestions? . . .

Ah, yes.

The extra damper rod holes go above the existing ones, see:
http://web.ncf.ca/ag136/forkUpgrade.htm

And a ton of extra suggestions for other modifications here:
http://web.ncf.ca/ag136/frameindex.htm

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Re: Inexpensive Emulators?
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2018, 05:40:46 pm »
have used them in an rz350 and an rd, and a kawi triple. no complaints at all. have real racetech gold valves in another bike, cant tell the difference performance wise one bit from original to knockoff. 

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Re: Inexpensive Fork Emulators?
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2018, 06:16:31 pm »
Thanks for the replies.
George, over the years I have made similar changes to my C-10's as you did.
M in SC, your reply goes a long ways in making me feel the inexpensive version is worth pursuing.

Last night I read this as I wanted to {really} understand how Emulators work.
Takes a bit of thought to understand the details of each phase,, but makes sense.
http://www.racetech.com/HTML_FILES/DampingRodForks.HTML

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Re: Inexpensive Fork Emulators?
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2018, 08:03:27 pm »
The Damper valves {Emulators} arrived last night.
Unfortunately they did not supply any instructions at all, so I sent a note requesting some..

It's an EZ install, so I'm using the knowledge I gained here to do the install.
ie; Drilled additional 3 holes in the disc and set the pre-load to 2 turns. {per Steve Sefsick's settings}
              Came with 1 hole and 3 turn setting.
Hope to do the actual install tomorrow.

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Re: Inexpensive Fork Emulators?
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2018, 10:03:19 pm »
 Made order for the V65 Sabre!

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Re: Inexpensive Fork Emulators?
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2018, 05:11:11 pm »
Made order for the V65 Sabre!

???   :??:

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Re: Inexpensive Fork Emulators?
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2018, 11:53:27 pm »
 Was not sure but a search shows the V65 Sabre has 41 mm forks.

Made order for the V65 Sabre!

???   :??:

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Re: Inexpensive Fork Emulators?
« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2018, 04:20:21 pm »
Ahh, "now" I understand.   
  You ordered a pair of these to install in a V65 Sabre.

The holidays slowed me down.  My forks are apart and mods made, Emulators are drilled and adjusted.
  Will put it all back together sooner or later.

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Re: Inexpensive Fork Emulators?
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2019, 05:59:21 pm »
Decided to post an update.

The inexpensive {$50} emulators I bought ended up being almost identical to the real deal.
Installation was EZ, but a little time consuming.
I've  done some rides with them and can feel the improvement.

Bottom line; The project worked out great...
                     I'm pretty impressed by these as they are set now..
                     But {being me}; I still have in mind doing some adjusting to see if I can get an even better ride.
                     In all honesty though, I'm not sure I have the sensitivity to feel any little bit of improvement I might get.

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Re: Inexpensive Fork Emulators?
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2019, 06:30:21 am »
 Mine which arrived a few weeks ago but not yet installed on the V65 sabre only came with the installed spring.
 The original emulators of which I installed in a Connie several years ago came with three springs of different weight ratings.

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Re: Inexpensive Fork Emulators?
« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2019, 01:03:04 am »
The spring on these are the same as the 40* blue spring.

I added 3 additional holes in the piston {ie; now have 4} and my emulator spring preload is set at 2 turns.
Also increased size and number of holes in lower damper rod.
Fork oil is ATF {approx. 15 wt}.  Oil level set at 6 1/4".

NOTE: Steve S. posted these settings when he installed Gold Valve Emulators on his bike.

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Re: Inexpensive Fork Emulators?
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2019, 02:59:24 pm »
is there going to be a diy video forthcoming on your mod/instal..........?

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Re: Inexpensive Fork Emulators?
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2019, 03:29:52 pm »
Sorry. Will not be a video from me. Computer illiterate...

Weather was great, so we went on a 200 mile ride yesterday.
The front springs of my bike have been cut 4" to stiffen them, and preload is set on them at about 35mm.
Replaced that 4" with a PVC Spacer.  {I later cut 3/4" from that spacer to allow for length of the Emulator body}
Even with these stiff settings, the front end absorbed the small bumps better than ever..
I think I'm going to increase my preload on the emulator's to 3 turns in. {to prevent front end dive under hard braking}

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Re: Inexpensive Fork Emulators?
« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2019, 09:21:55 pm »
  Ted,

 Remind us on oil level settings.
 Forks compressed with springs out ??

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Re: Inexpensive Fork Emulators?
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2019, 09:31:41 pm »
Correct.
I think stock is 6 3/4", and Race Tech recommends 5.9" with the Gold Valve Emulator.

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Re: Inexpensive Fork Emulators?
« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2019, 04:43:04 pm »
OK, I got my cheap Taiwanese gold emulators, sonic 1.2 springs,seals etc. Do you still reccomend drilling the 3 extra holes on the emulator valve(mine only has one hole currently),did you go to 3 turns in on the spring?,are you still using ATF or have you changed to 30-40w? Thx

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Re: Inexpensive Fork Emulators?
« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2019, 02:47:51 pm »
Son of a gun, I guess I've offended someone else, so I'll answer my own question now that I'm done. Man these emulators and 1.2 sonic's give the ole c10 a newer more fit personality.If a 150 dollar investment in your bike is not overly rich,it is well worth the time and money, especially if your pulling forks for seals and bushings anyway. I did go with 4 holes in the emulators,6 holes in the dampeners,drain holes and 20w, along with gaiters.Quite the pleasant surprise now when you grab a handful of brake at 70mph, no more feeling like she's trying to buck you off over the handlebars. Thx again coggers for another great idea.

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« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2019, 05:19:30 pm »
Ray, I don't think you offended anyone.  Ted just hasn't been around much lately.  Don't know what he's been up to.  Maybe he's busy with over the pond.  Or maybe  >:D  Harry is working him over with the flog-o-matic! ;D
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Re: Inexpensive Fork Emulators?
« Reply #21 on: Yesterday at 11:48:24 pm »
Yupp, I've been away. Sorry for the late reply.

OK, I got my cheap Taiwanese gold emulators, sonic 1.2 springs,seals etc. Do you still reccomend drilling the 3 extra holes on the emulator valve(mine only has one hole currently),did you go to 3 turns in on the spring?,are you still using ATF or have you changed to 30-40w? Thx

Yes: I added 3 holes to the valve.
           Don't recall exact size, but slightly smaller than the original 1 hole.
       I used ATF at 6 1/4" from top with forks collapsed.
        Spring preload is still set at 2 turns.

       Will try to find my other posts and attach here...
          NOTE: I used settings recommended by Steve Sefsick.

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