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More Wing Sized Tires
« on: August 25, 2012, 03:07:02 am »
I just thought I'd try a set of non-radial tires on my '88...since the matching front for my SE890 rear was on B/O...btw, I have '97 wheels on it...so, I wanted to go with a 160/80-16 rear and a 130/70-18 front...and, I sought out the most frugal option out there...a set of Shinko SR733 front and SR734 rear seemed to fit the bill...they are $221 on Amazon...and, I figured I would just wear them out in 5k or 6k miles and go on to the Journeys this fall...

I can't tell you how happy I am with these tires!  They now have about 3200 miles on them...mostly two-up with both bags, a Givi Maxia tail trunk, and a tank bag full of "stuff"...running 40psi front and 42psi rear.  They have never given me any reason to doubt their integrity...on dry roads...as well as through standing water...although, I do reduce my speed when it starts raining enough to puddle on the road.

Our recent ride over Rattlesnake Grade in SE Washington, the other side in Oregon (I forget the name...Buford Grade?)...and down NF39 to Brownlee Dam...and, on to Cambridge, ID was over as good a set of roads as anybody might encounter on purpose...and they were very precise...sticking to the roadway...and, never giving the slightest hint of any evil actions to come. 

The only down-side I would mention is they generate some road noise when first leaned into a good corner...at an aggressive rate of speed... :-\

How much weight to balance them?  I don't know.  I'm running CounterAct Balancing Beads ( 2oz in each)...and that combination works GREAT!

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Re: More Wing Sized Tires
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2012, 05:08:20 am »
Don't be sorry , just be glad your able to share another tire option with the rest of us .
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Re: More Wing Sized Tires
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2012, 12:05:29 pm »
Keep us posted on these. I'd be curious about a less expensive option than the Avon Venoms in the 'Wing size. I'm happy with them but they are pricey!
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Re: More Wing Sized Tires
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2012, 01:39:56 pm »
I found that the rear SR734 seemed to wear out quickly.  At least with my heavy throttle hand.   :motonoises:  Went through three rears (two SR734s and most of the way through a 777) to one front.  Usually I follow a 2:1 ratio.

My only (minor) complaint is the center groove.  Though not a straight groove, it does have a tendency to follow some pavement grooves and steel deck bridges.  The Pilot GTs spoiled me into avoiding center grooves completely.
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Re: More Wing Sized Tires
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2012, 03:04:14 pm »
A good news report, yay! I'm sold on Wang tars for my Conc...more choices are :great:

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Re: More Wing Sized Tires
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2012, 03:07:02 pm »
Wing sized tires, yes. Tires with center grooves... No, heck no.  >:(


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Re: More Wing Sized Tires
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2012, 04:45:39 pm »
Definitely a big no on tires with a centerline but I'm always glad to add some more entries on my "potentials" spreadsheet, especially wing sizes.  Thanks!!

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Re: More Wing Sized Tires
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2012, 05:39:13 pm »
@Outback , what kind of mileage are/were you geting out of the SR734s ?
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Re: More Wing Sized Tires
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2012, 07:37:07 pm »
OK...a question for those of you whose first thoughts or comments are "No to center grooves"...How old are these mind sets?  I will guess thirty years, in some cases...and, I must agree, Dunlop F-11s...and Continental RB2s were nothing to brag about.  But, keep in mind that tire development has progressed...

I just went out and rode on the worst grooved road in my area...every bike and car I have owned in the last twelve years has wandered and skated around on this section of road...these tires are the most stable of any motorcycle tires I can remember...and that includes D205s, Shinko 777s, Metzeler Lazertecs, and more, I'm sure. 

I just rode 2800 miles and don't remember any tracking...even on tar snakes...except in sections where the road surface had been ground down for re-surfacing...and, in those sections...I don't care what tires you have...your bike is going to weave and wander...

So, I guess I'm just saying that new tire design has improved handling and performance...to the point that beliefs based on experiences twenty or thirty years ago are probably quite outdated...at least, that has been my experience.


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Re: More Wing Sized Tires
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2012, 10:50:13 pm »
OK...a question for those of you whose first thoughts or comments are "No to center grooves"...How old are these mind sets?  I will guess thirty years, in some cases...
Well, considering that I'm only 40...

I've hit many of the same grooved roads and metal deck bridges on tires with center grooves and without on my C10.  And I'll happily take tires without center (or any longitudinal grooves) over tires with them any day.

@ Mortech - I'll try to check my manual tomorrow to see when I did the tires.  But my experience with tires seems to be much less mileage than others claim with the same tires.  Roads around here are often chip-and-seal which tends to eat any tires up quickly.
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Re: More Wing Sized Tires
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2012, 11:21:22 pm »
Outback...Your consideration is noted...I should have mentioned that I don't know where the nearest metal decked bridge is...I didn't even find one in my recent 2800 mile ride...knowing that all such roads are grooved differently...and the thirty year old mindset was mine, since I have also avoided such tires for years...but, I suspect others think the same way...  As I recall, we had communication about your experience with these tires and I didn't see anything that scared me off...was expecting less life from them per your comments...but, thought I would give them a try.  I've been pleasantly surprised...and, like you commented, I'm not sure whether to call this tread a "center groove", or not...it hasn't behaved like the tires I've had in the past (yes, twenty and thirty years ago) that had a straight center groove.   :beerchug:

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Re: More Wing Sized Tires
« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2012, 12:10:34 am »
There are metal decked bridges around the Boston area that I have crossed with the current Pilot GT's I have on now, and with the Dunlop's (not sure which ones) I had on before that had center grooves.

The Dunlop's tracked uncomfortably on the bridges, tar snakes and grooved pavement.  The Pilot GT's handle much better on the same surfaces.

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Re: More Wing Sized Tires
« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2012, 04:55:15 am »
My last set of tries before putting on the Avons had a center line and man did they scare the heck out of me on bridges or uneven roads. When I put on the Avons and hit some of the same roads, no wobble or wiggle. My kz 440 had the same problem, I would grab a odd surface and the bike would wobble all over, one tires were changed out ride-ability was much better.
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Re: More Wing Sized Tires
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2012, 06:57:34 pm »
130's on the front do make a difference in the handling.........  :-[

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Re: More Wing Sized Tires
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2012, 04:01:53 am »
Although I did not get a Shinko for the front wheel, the rear was treated to a Shinko SE890 in 160/80R16 size and matched up with an ME880 in 120/70ZR-18 size.  While my experience with a bias-ply ME880 on the front of my ZG was terrible, the radial that I have used on my GL1800 has been exceptionally good, giving me good handling and traction as well as outwearing 2 rear ME880's every time.  So I felt confident that it would work well on the Concours.

To say I am pleased with this combination is a gross understatement.  It is, to say the least, the sweetest set of tires for carving twisties that I have ever had on the bike.  After mounting them in Denver (thanks very much to fellow Connie owner and forum member wile_e_coyote) it was west to Loveland Pass.  Then south to hit the "Devil's Hwy" in Arizona.  Going into a curve/switchback marked 15 MPH at 35 and coming out at 45 gives you an opportunity to explore the limits of adhesion of your tires.  These things never gave a hint of slipping - they took the bike around like it was on rails.  Coming back north out of Silver City, NM offered the opportunity to make sure there would be no "chicken strips" on these tires.  And they gave the same sure-footed control when I found myself in what was undoubtedly the hardest rain I have ever ridden in south of Albuquerque on I-25. 

Best of all, when I parked the bike at a friend's house in Pennsylvania after adding over 5,000 miles to them, they still had over half the tread remaining.  What's not to like about tires like that?

One big thing that I wasn't prepared for - taking the GL1500-size Michelin tires off the Concours and mounting this new pair (the Shinko is quite a bit larger in diameter than the Pilot GT, and the ME880 is smaller) pointed the headlight down in front of the bike.  Had to buy a new phillips screwdriver and cut a little off the handle, as the fork brace interfered with the standard screwdriver  getting to the adjusting wheel.  Of course this decreased rake and trail, but not to the detriment of handling.  If anything, it improved the bike's handling in tight turns. 

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Re: More Wing Sized Tires
« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2012, 04:49:38 am »
Mileage update...6393 miles on the front...5814 miles on the rear...

Man, I love these tires!

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Re: More Wing Sized Tires
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2012, 12:16:46 pm »
The top photo is looking a little scalloped but at least its evenly across the tread.  I'm guessing another 5k or so for the set?  They look a lot like the Dunlop 491's I used to run ions ago, wear like iron and OK in the traction department.  Incidentally, I'm a wing sized fan as well.   :beerchug:
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Re: More Wing Sized Tires
« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2012, 01:34:07 pm »
For comparison, here are the rear tires, one with a few too many miles, and one with zero.
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Re: More Wing Sized Tires
« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2012, 01:18:48 pm »
For comparison, here are the rear tires, one with a few too many miles, and one with zero.



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Re: More Wing Sized Tires
« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2013, 01:22:00 am »
Mileage update...7400 miles on the rear...and, no more chicken strips!  Woo Hoo! 

Man, I love these tires!   :motonoises:

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Re: More Wing Sized Tires
« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2013, 03:36:14 am »
Kind of reminds me of the wing size Dunlop K177 that came on my bike , I calculated it went over 20K   :-\ before I replaced it , (it was half down on the wear bars when I bought the bike and I changed it out after I put 16.4K miles on it) but at over $200 for it I passed on purchasing another .
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Re: More Wing Sized Tires
« Reply #21 on: June 10, 2013, 12:45:13 pm »
I am running the 733/734 Shinkos too in GW size.  I gotta say I'm happy with them so far.  Just watch your rear tire clearance if you have a trailer hitch.

what's the deal on the centerline groove issue?  I've never heard of this problem.  what exactly is the probelm?

The 733/734 tread pattern is basicaly identical to the "Harley type" 402/404 Dunlops that I've been running on my Hogs for years.   
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Re: More Wing Sized Tires
« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2013, 02:27:30 pm »
They tend to crack in the groove.
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Re: More Wing Sized Tires
« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2013, 02:44:10 pm »

what's the deal on the centerline groove issue?  I've never heard of this problem.  what exactly is the probelm?

The 733/734 tread pattern is basicaly identical to the "Harley type" 402/404 Dunlops that I've been running on my Hogs for years.

Mostly what you're hearing are horror stories from 30 or 40 years ago...go with your experience with the tire...others who have negative comments are not referring to modern tires...they haven't tried such a tire in the last 20 or 30 years because of an issue they experienced back then...or, most probably, an issue somebody told them about (2nd hand info)...I'm running the same tires you are...they handle fine (as you know)...and, they don't tend to "crack in the groove"...

Just from running the tires, you have far more relevant experience and knowledge than they do...ride on and enjoy 'em!

And, just wait for those who have no experience with our tires to point out how wrong I am... ;D

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Re: More Wing Sized Tires
« Reply #24 on: June 10, 2013, 02:57:12 pm »
Actually I think your probably right... I haven't owned a center groove tire in many years, other than the one that came on my '88. It was cracked not only in the center groove, but also had smaller cracks near the bead, so I assume it was very old.

But damnit, I'm 52 and I think I've earned my right to be a crotchety old man and wth, got to start somewhere!  :))
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