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New Shinko Verge 150/80ZR16
« on: December 28, 2016, 09:38:18 pm »
Now there is another choice in matched radials for the C-10...Shinko has released the 150/80ZR16 R011 Verge tire...WPS part number 87-4090...which can be matched to the 120/70ZR18 F011 Verge for the front...WPS part number 87-4082...shipments are expected to arrive in the warehouse any day...

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Re: New Shinko Verge 150/80ZR16
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2016, 01:32:27 am »
Iff'n I still had a c-10 I would be all over this. I've heard that the Verge is a right decent hunk of rubber.
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Re: New Shinko Verge 150/80ZR16
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2017, 01:54:14 am »
Has anyone seen this tire for sale?  Revzilla has it listed but out of stock.
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Re: New Shinko Verge 150/80ZR16
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2017, 12:00:55 pm »
No inventory yet...still waiting...

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Re: New Shinko Verge 150/80ZR16
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2017, 06:04:49 am »
Running the Verge 011 on the rear and the Verge 2X on my 17" wheels. They feel good on the C10, I really like them and at 2500 miles they are still looking promising in the wear department. Previously running PR3's and though the Pilots had a more supple ride quality for the money I will stick with the Shinkos. I know they are hit or miss in quality but the three different sets I have had on other bikes haven't given me reason not to trust purchasing another set.
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Re: New Shinko Verge 150/80ZR16
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2017, 11:20:29 am »
Glad to hear there's a size for the C10 rear now too.

I ran the Verge 011's on my GPZ ZX1100 - (17's front and rear)

If found them to be a good sport touring tire at a really nice price, which returned decent mileage too.

Have run the Verge 011 18" on the front on the C10 and like it there too.  That front tire returned good mileage - over 16,000.

and will run a full set of these next tire change.

 
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Re: New Shinko Verge 150/80ZR16
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2017, 12:04:08 pm »
They should be available now...

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Re: New Shinko Verge 150/80ZR16
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2017, 01:02:22 pm »
I need a new rear tire. I'm going to give these a try. A little concerned about wet traction. Not many grooves in them.
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Re: New Shinko Verge 150/80ZR16
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2017, 01:57:55 pm »
When I first mounted a front on my C10 I thought the same thing...I was amazed at how it handled downpours...

But...I am getting older ...and, slower...



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Re: New Shinko Verge 150/80ZR16
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2017, 04:58:59 pm »
When I first mounted a front on my C10 I thought the same thing...I was amazed at how it handled downpours...

But...I am getting older ...and, slower...

Do you have the rear also?
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Re: New Shinko Verge 150/80ZR16
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2017, 02:03:38 am »
No...it was a few years ago...the 150/80ZR16 rear was not available then in a matching tread pattern...think I was running a SE890 Journey...in a 160/80R16 size...this Verge is brand new...


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Re: New Shinko Verge 150/80ZR16
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2017, 12:58:50 am »
I work for a independent shop and we get alot of stuff from WPS. They carry Shinko tires and its what i run on all of my bikes. 2002 KLR650, 2008 Triumph Bonneville Scrambler AND ill be running the new Verge radials on my new to me 2003 C10.
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Re: New Shinko Verge 150/80ZR16
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2017, 01:04:01 pm »
I have the Michelin on the front and a new Verge on the rear. One thing I've noticed is a side to side wander around 90mph. Will France and South Korea learn to get along better as the tire wears?

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Re: New Shinko Verge 150/80ZR16
« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2017, 09:01:47 pm »
Product review. We just completed a 3,000 mile tour through northern Mexico carrying about 110 pounds of luggage, my 225 pounds and the wife... We are right up against the weight limit of the bike and the tires. This is the 4th trip like this in Mexico. Previously, two Avon rear tyres suffered tread separation - or whatever it's called when the tire goes out of round laterally. The first Avon was an azaro, the second a 3D-X?... While these tires didn't catastrophically fail, they did let us down at the worst possible time - both with less than 3,000 miles on each tire.
This Shinko Verge rear tire didn't let us down, it still has a lot of tread. It only rained a little on our trip but the tire felt safe on rarely wet roads at fairly high speeds. Handling, braking, and general use were all good.
I do have a high speed wander - around 85 with a full load. I haven't explored the usual culprits but will soon. The front tire is a Michelin - both front and back are radials.
I am very satisfied with this tire and will probably avoid Avon tyres in the future... twice bitten once shy...   

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Re: New Shinko Verge 150/80ZR16
« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2017, 06:02:02 pm »
I just got the Shinko Verge on the back and the Michelin pr4gt on the front, slow speeds great, fast not so much...

the front end back and forth sway got so violent at 85 on the interstate I almost went down!

 I'm seriously thinking about selling the bike. in 40 years of riding I've never had a bike do this... I've adjusted the back end to all the different adjustments possible, changed tire pressures as well,
 
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Re: New Shinko Verge 150/80ZR16
« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2017, 06:47:09 pm »
Sound like a bearing inspection is in order: Front & Rear wheels, swing arm and steering head.  Also, don't forget the motor mount bolts, bead seating on the rim, fork bushings and tire run out .  Good luck.
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Re: New Shinko Verge 150/80ZR16
« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2017, 09:47:03 pm »
"I just got the Shinko Verge on the back and the Michelin pr4gt on the front, slow speeds great, fast not so much...
the front end back and forth sway got so violent at 85 on the interstate I almost went down!"

That's interesting. I've got the same symptoms but not as violent. I've got the Michelin on front too. This all started with the new Shinko Verge on the back, had it been bearings or motor mounts there would have been some signs prior to the new Shinko Verge going on the bike 3K miles ago.

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Re: New Shinko Verge 150/80ZR16
« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2017, 12:44:31 am »
Wish I read all these comments more thoroughly. Had a Verge mounted on the 16 inch rear rim last week, still running a PR3 in the front. I think there is too much sidewall for the OEM rear tire dimensions, in a radial. Radials have thinner sidewalls to allow more road feel, with a large rim and short sidewall. I think the Concours is too heavy for the tall tire dimensions, I am very disappointed because the tire looks like it would be mean.

I am afraid to lean the bike over because of how the rear end now oscillates left and right in turns. Bearings are all good and this was not a problem a week ago with the old 777.
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Re: New Shinko Verge 150/80ZR16
« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2017, 11:12:29 am »
Sound like a bearing inspection is in order: Front & Rear wheels, swing arm and steering head.  Also, don't forget the motor mount bolts, bead seating on the rim, fork bushings and tire run out .  Good luck.

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Re: New Shinko Verge 150/80ZR16
« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2017, 01:42:52 pm »
Others have had this problem with an Avon 3D-X on the rear.
1 theory I've heard is the tire profile is too tall for a bike of this weight.
The one guy I know that had the problem,, had a mega wide & tall windshield on his C-10.
The big shield might be a contributor.

I've always had radials on my C10's. Never experienced the problem.
I have not tried the Shinko Verge or the Avon 3D-X..

Currently have an Avon Storm on the front and a ME 888 on the back {as I wore out my rear Avon {Azaro I think} at a COG National}.

Wondering if it is possible to get a lower profile rear Verge?

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Re: New Shinko Verge 150/80ZR16
« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2017, 02:38:30 pm »
I think unless you want a baby-sized rear tire or convert to the 17inch rim, there arn't many options for reducing the sidewall size.

I have a MadStad windshield, I will try lowering that, and increasing my tire pressures all around. If that doesn't help, this tire is coming off regardless of miles.  :(
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Re: New Shinko Verge 150/80ZR16
« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2017, 07:57:00 am »
"Others have had this problem with an Avon 3D-X on the rear." - I had two 3D-x's - one paired with the same Michelin on the front and never had handling issues. The 3D-X had other issues which made it unsatisfactory - but handling was good. I still have a used 3D-X hanging on the garage wall - I'll have to check measurements to see what, if anything is different.
Like others have said - handling issues appeared when the Verge was mounted. It would be an amazing coincidence that bearings or other issues appeared at the same moment.

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Re: New Shinko Verge 150/80ZR16
« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2017, 12:49:15 pm »
The Shinko 150/80ZR16 has a load index of 71, or 761 lbs.

In contrast, the Michelin Commander II 150/80-16 I use has a load index of 77, or 908 lbs. It's a chunky, reinforced bias-ply tire and it handles the Concours weight and power with no problems. Works fine with different radials on the front.

It looks like the Shinko is a lighter duty tire, aimed at a different category of bike.

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Re: New Shinko Verge 150/80ZR16
« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2017, 03:07:23 pm »
Yeah looks like the Verge is too light duty. I am going back to the 777 soon here.
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Re: New Shinko Verge 150/80ZR16
« Reply #24 on: May 08, 2017, 06:13:21 am »
I removed the Verge rear tire - which still had another 3,000 or so miles left in tread and replaced it with a Michelin Commander II. The motorcycle again handles as it should. Gone is the 85-90mph plus left right left wander and the unsettling feeling when leaned over in curves. I had a spirited 60 mile ride yesterday and the bike again inspires confidence at speed.
A big lesson learned in diagnosis is to assign primary responsibility at the last thing changed at the onset of issues. I could have been rebuilding functional forks or replacing good bearings. Disturbing the forks or bearings would have then made further diagnosis all the more difficult which could have spoiled riding this summer for me. The handling issue clearly started with the installation of the Shinko Verge and ended promptly with its removal.
Looking at the Verge I can see no appreciable difference between it and a Avon 3D-X I still had hanging on the wall. The handling issues of the Verge may have ultimately led to sudden failure or a high speed accident - who knows. Something is wrong with this tire and others in this forum have had similar problems.  I'll write to Shinko not for a refund or adjustment, but to let them know that there may be something wrong with the profile, tread, or construction of this tire.