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New tire thread - for C10 peg scrapers only
« on: March 16, 2014, 09:12:04 pm »
Dear C10 peg scrapers.  You know who you are.  You're the ones that grind off the peg feelers and need tires that stick, and you're the ones I want to hear from.  I've been very happy with the Avon Storm/Azaro combination on the C10.  They've given me great confidence, all the way to the edge of the tires.  But, because of two Azaro failures (read the link below) I'm looking for a similar tire.

http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php/topic,36201.0.html

So, all you peg scraping C10 riders, is there anything else that's as good as the Avons in turns? 
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Re: New tire thread - for C10 peg scrapers only
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2014, 10:27:53 pm »
hlh1,
if you can swing it do the 17" conversion.  I've not regretted it at all.  makes the bike feel much more planted in the corners.  yep, it's no longer "original".  however I suspect very few COGGERs have a completely stock C10. 

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Re: New tire thread - for C10 peg scrapers only
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2014, 10:48:23 pm »
I started running commander II on my connie and with a little over 2k on front and rear with min. wear and for me they stick pretty good for what they are sometimes I find myself going into a turn after then before and when I look down im shocked at what speeds im doing in compared to the avon I had on the bike before it did take me a few 100 miles to get used to the tires care there like night and day when your wanna go left and lean into it they go almost to good scared me a little at first but as they get more and more miles on them I like them more and more  :great:

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Re: New tire thread - for C10 peg scrapers only
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2014, 10:58:12 pm »
hlh1,
The Avons are as good as it gets for traction... almost.  Well, to be fair, they are head and shoulders above anything else that fits the stock rim.  The Pirelli Sport Demons are a bias tire, but stick very well also due to a soft compound, however that yields a fairly short life.  But they do great in the twisties. 

IF you go to 17" rubber, there are choices that I think are stickier than Avons and a tad more confidence inspiring.  The Michelin Pilot Power 2CT is one that just dares you to get some hard stuff down.  THey stick.  But again, they don't last too long either.  The assorted Pilot Road series tires are very good and are maybe IMHO the best rain tire out there.  Dunlop Roadsmarts too are quite good, but I'd rate them a tad behind the Pilot Roads in most situations.  But the Pilot Roads will stick well and outlast all of the best traction tires I've run.  No Angel GT experience yet, but I'll get around to them eventually. LOL

When I can afford to buy two sets of tires (been a while) you can bet one of them will be Pilot Power 2CTs.  They make riding exciting in a good way for me.  As I say in ANY tire thread... YMMV
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Re: New tire thread - for C10 peg scrapers only
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2014, 11:39:42 pm »
Hlh1 , have you check the date on the tire that went out on you ? Just in case it was an old stock Azaro from the same batch as the ones on that thread you listed .
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Re: New tire thread - for C10 peg scrapers only
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2014, 11:45:20 pm »
Hlh1 , have you check the date on the tire that went out on you ? Just in case it was an old stock Azaro from the same batch as the ones on that thread you listed .

I'm glad you're thinking.  I'll do that.  Would be weird, but I guess it's entirely possible that I got two from a bad batch, because I'm not hearing others having this much trouble with the Azaro.  Now I just gotta remember how to read the build date off the side wall. 
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Re: New tire thread - for C10 peg scrapers only
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2014, 11:46:47 pm »
hlh1,
if you can swing it do the 17" conversion.  I've not regretted it at all.  makes the bike feel much more planted in the corners.  yep, it's no longer "original".  however I suspect very few COGGERs have a completely stock C10. 

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The 17" conversion that I like best is the one where the CA company widens the 16" stock wheel to a 17" wheel.  If this wasn't so expensive I'd do it now. 
« Last Edit: March 29, 2014, 10:31:21 pm by hlh1 »
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Re: New tire thread - for C10 peg scrapers only
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2014, 11:52:05 pm »
hlh1,
The Avons are as good as it gets for traction... almost.  Well, to be fair, they are head and shoulders above anything else that fits the stock rim.  The Pirelli Sport Demons are a bias tire, but stick very well also due to a soft compound, however that yields a fairly short life.  But they do great in the twisties. 


Outside of tire failures, I've been very happy with the Avons and would like to continue using them, but without failures.  Since I've been using the Avons I've not kept up with any of the new tires on the market.  So, it sounds like the Avons, storm and Azaro, are still the best radials available for the stock wheels. 
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Re: New tire thread - for C10 peg scrapers only
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2014, 08:57:14 am »
Currently running a PR3 front and Azaro rear. Awesome combination.
My last 7 rear tyres have all been Azaros and not one of them has failed.
I am pretty heavy handed and I weigh 360lbs so these tyres are not getting babied.
I get between 6 & 8K per rear and about 10k from the front but this is my first PR3 on the C10 so hoping will equal or better that.
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Re: New tire thread - for C10 peg scrapers only
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2014, 09:04:41 pm »
Ok, I just checked the build date of the failed Azaro and it was 2211.  The "new", replacement, Azaro I just installed is 2410!  Oh well....
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Re: New tire thread - for C10 peg scrapers only
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2014, 11:04:58 am »
I what way did the tyre fail?
If they are sending you 2010 build tyres send em back.
I get mine fitted locally and always check before I let them mount the tyre.
Current rear Azaro is 2913 so only 6 months old.
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Re: New tire thread - for C10 peg scrapers only
« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2014, 09:31:06 pm »
Lookie lookie....  http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php/topic,50125.msg349808.html#new

New release for Avon, so it'll probably take time to see them distributed.


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Re: New tire thread - for C10 peg scrapers only
« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2014, 09:53:54 pm »
Thank you so much for the update!  This is great news!  I just hope my quality issues vanish forever. 
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Re: New tire thread - for C10 peg scrapers only
« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2014, 11:02:52 pm »
Maybe, just MAYBE competition is coming to MC tires. DC Bridgestone BT's, (supposedly) long life Michellin Commander II's, and now a dual compound Azaro. I might try that one again.
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Re: New tire thread - for C10 peg scrapers only
« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2014, 11:04:33 pm »
I am currently running Bridgestone Excedra Max tires because I'm not wasting money on quick wearing soft tires that aren't needed to scrape the pegs. I'll let the picture back up my statement.



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Re: New tire thread - for C10 peg scrapers only
« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2014, 11:09:46 pm »
WOW!   :beerchug:   Sticky tires are not required to scrape pegs, but I trust them more. 
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Re: New tire thread - for C10 peg scrapers only
« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2014, 12:21:35 am »
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Re: New tire thread - for C10 peg scrapers only
« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2014, 02:54:44 am »
WOW!   :beerchug:   Sticky tires are not required to scrape pegs, but I trust them more.

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Re: New tire thread - for C10 peg scrapers only
« Reply #18 on: March 27, 2014, 12:19:58 pm »
hlh1, on the New Avon discussion, I've been exchanging notes with Sukoshi Fahey (Ms.) at Avon.
I was thinking of sending them a note today and ask if they want to participate at the National.

Do you mind if I send them a link to the discussion about your problem?
Might get their attention!

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Re: New tire thread - for C10 peg scrapers only
« Reply #19 on: March 27, 2014, 10:22:45 pm »
hlh1, on the New Avon discussion, I've been exchanging notes with Sukoshi Fahey (Ms.) at Avon.
I was thinking of sending them a note today and ask if they want to participate at the National.

Do you mind if I send them a link to the discussion about your problem?
Might get their attention!

Ride safe, Ted

PS: The new Avon STORM 3D X-M tire comes with a Road Hazard Warranty.

That would be fine, but I did talk with someone at Avon about the one that had a tear on 2012.  I think I mentioned this on the thread, but feel free to forward them the link.  Maybe I'll get a free tire out of it.   :)

I was very surprised that they weren't interested in inspecting the tire and understanding the failure. 
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Re: New tire thread - for C10 peg scrapers only
« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2014, 08:23:10 pm »
I have had several Avon tires be splitting open on bikes, the first Concours I looked at and bought had a rear Avon (storm? can't remember) that looked ready to burst, dry-rot in the tread would fit a pencil tip. Obviously the only place that bike went after was the tire shop that installed the tires - They said Avon should cover the replacements, but I needed to pay upfront. $500+ later for a mount and balance of Metzler 880's, which I still have. In the end Avon reimbursed the shop $100 something, so a far cry from what they promised. However dealing with a shop in Nevada, from New England, well I cut my losses.

Then this fall I picked up a replacement Concours, and the Avons on this one have mild tread separation as well. They handled great until I got a huge puncture in the rear, which is fine because they were reaching worn out.

The Metzlers are touring tires, and seem to corner well on the new bike. The back tire is at 50% life, the front looks almost new. 8-9000 Mi on the pair so far :motonoises:
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Re: New tire thread - for C10 peg scrapers only
« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2014, 09:56:25 pm »

My Avon Azaro STs (3rd now) have never shown defects, one wore out, my last one found a bad @$$ screw
and ate it, cutting its life short, and my current is still pretty much new (500 miles).  I can not
say anything bad about them.  They've been great tires for me.

The front tire acquired from the PO when I got my Concours (a Dunlop) blew a belt in about 600 miles.
(talk about a rough ride)  It was an older tire, that hadn't been ran on in a while...  I went with the
Avon combo after reading some tire threads on COG and haven't looked back...  Are Dunnies that bad,
or did I have an old tire I shouldn't have really been running (it looked great!)?

Knowing what I know now, if I buy a used bike, new rubber is part of the expense... who knows what
the last guy/gal did with those tires, or how long they sat, or were ran 10 lbs low.....

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Re: New tire thread - for C10 peg scrapers only
« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2014, 01:47:01 am »
My standard reply - I ran ME880's in GW size on my 2001. Was getting 18K+ on the rear and 22-24K on the fronts. I had no problem removing the feelers and grinding down the pegs themselves. Also did a track day on them with no issues.

Sure sticky radials feel better, but I preferred not to change tires every 9000 miles. Granted, the ME880s can be a little slippery in the rain, but I don't push the bike in the rain anyway. I commuted year round on them in the Seattle area and never had to pick any of my seat cover out of my butt.

Others will tell you that you surely will die a suffering death if you dare risk such tires, to that I simply say they are doing something wrong. 
  

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Re: New tire thread - for C10 peg scrapers only
« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2014, 03:55:07 pm »
Yeah I like the ME880's, I am always careful in the rain as well
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Re: New tire thread - for C10 peg scrapers only
« Reply #24 on: March 30, 2014, 10:11:35 pm »
I appreciate everyone's input and opinion, but the thread is beginning do drift from it's original intent; other options for "peg scrapers" than the Azaro.  And now it sounds like Avon is coming out with a new tire that will improve upon the Azaro!  I need a tire that sticks in the wet and dry.  I'll ride the Gold Wing with E3s if I wants tires that last.   :) 
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