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Re: Purchased set of Avon 3D XM Tires
« Reply #25 on: March 16, 2015, 08:02:39 pm »
Hi.  I respect your opinion, CRocker.

The new tires were the only variable between being knocked around by the wind in traffic at highway speed and NOT being knocked around.

Same windshield. Just different tires.

I will say the warnings of wobbling over 45 mph are absurd, in my experience. After 500 miles on all kinds of roads at all kinds of speeds, the only issues has been trucks on freeways.
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Re: Purchased set of Avon 3D XM Tires
« Reply #26 on: March 16, 2015, 08:14:00 pm »
So odd...my experience was with same tires, and a different windshield...

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Re: Purchased set of Avon 3D XM Tires
« Reply #27 on: March 16, 2015, 08:40:02 pm »
Hi.

Not planning on any recreational trips.

Haven't been on an airplane in probably a decade.

Might be heading to New England, if it ever stops snowing.
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Re: Purchased set of Avon 3D XM Tires
« Reply #28 on: March 16, 2015, 09:32:48 pm »
RJ...I think it's doubtful the tires are strongly related to the buffeting in dirty air...I think it's more the windshield...my '88 (when I had it) and my current '03 had the same tendencies...until I installed a Madstad shield on each bike...  Both times the result was the same afterwards...no more buffeting...my results were consistent...we went for a ride yesterday (upper 70s along the Front Range in Colorado) and, my wife AGAIN mentioned how the Madstad REALLY makes a difference!

It's not the cheapest option out there...but, I think it's the best!
That was my thought so I tried 3 types and size windshields since they were easier to change. The original stock, my old Rifle and my new Clearview. Now I can't believe that two sets of tires behave the same while other riders on this forum have no problems. I've done everything and then put it back as it was. I'm lost. Bike shops don't want to get involved, it's too iffy.

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Re: Purchased set of Avon 3D XM Tires
« Reply #29 on: March 16, 2015, 10:09:39 pm »
I changed to the Avon 3D XM tires for the first time.

Before putting the new tires on a week or two ago, I had a Michelin on the front and a Shinko on the back.

Very different handling.  In the twisties, they're fabulous.  Around town, on highways and zipping, no problems.

Bunched between a bunch of trucks?  Like being in a tornado.
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Re: Purchased set of Avon 3D XM Tires
« Reply #30 on: March 17, 2015, 06:38:13 pm »
oh, oh ... thanks for the warning. What did you replace it with ?

Shinko 777 150/80x16. On my fourth or fifth. This tire also drops the rpm about 175-200 at 80 mph.
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Re: Purchased set of Avon 3D XM Tires
« Reply #31 on: March 19, 2015, 07:59:15 pm »
Buffering is hard to test.  Wind speed, and direction and differences in trucks makes a HUGE difference.  My guess, if everything was truly the same( same truck, same wind, same speed, same road type) is that the tires  being new and a smaller contact patch when drive level is to blame.  As the tire gets flatter profile from age it will plant better and buffer less.  But in my mind it was conditions and not tires.
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Re: Purchased set of Avon 3D XM Tires
« Reply #32 on: March 19, 2015, 08:55:26 pm »
:great:
Treated myself to new tires for my 2005 C-10 for my birthday.  (Because I totally needed them.)

Replaced Shinko rear purchased in May 2013 with 8,424 miles on it.  Wearing out, not totally shot.
Front: 8,107 miles on Michelin Pilot 2 purchased May 2013.

Wanted a matched set, so I sacrificed some miles on tires to get a set of Avon 3D XM radials.
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Purchased the tires and had them installed at Northeast Georgia Motorsports, near Braselton, GA.  Brandon Reed made me a decent deal and they're pretty close to my house.

Added metal 90-degree stems.  Went for the 110/80-18 front and the 150/80-16 rear.

Jeff the Tekkie installed them for me and said the spline on the rear axle was dry.  He kindly greased it (and scolded me).

Total price: enough under $500 to get a tank of gas and a taco.
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One added bonus.  Downloaded an app for my Galaxy S5 to check my speedometer with the new (110/80) tires.
Spot. On!

Perfect at 30, 40, 50 & 60 mph.  Might be worse at 120, but I'll never check it by holding my cell phone.

Why did you opt for the 110/80-18 front?
Kawasaki says 120/70-18
Avon has their chart which conflicts with Kawasaki
http://www.avon-tyres.co.uk/motorcycle/storm-3d-x-m
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   size   load/spd index   rec rim (in)   alt rim (in) min/max   width (mm)   width (in)   dia (mm)   dia (in)   depth
Storm 3D X-M (front)   110/80ZR18   (58W)   MT2.50   2.50-3.00   109   4.3   631   24.8   4
Storm 3D X-M (front)   120/70ZR18   (59W)   MT3.50   3.50-3.75   119   4.7   625   24.6   4

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Re: Purchased set of Avon 3D XM Tires
« Reply #33 on: March 26, 2015, 06:22:48 pm »
Not sure why the "wobble" with Avons has always been an issue for so many. The first set of Avon Azaros I tried did the same thing. I returned them to the dealer and never went back to Avon until I tried the AM-26's. Now they are dry cracked after one year of use and I am srambling to find out what to try next. I wanted to give the new Avon 3-D a shot but this thread has me doubting that choice. I am curious if Avon is manufacturing their tires mainly for sport bikes could it be that they are not rated for the weight of a C-10. Anyhow I need new tires before the Wildflower ride and am fixing to be in a bind. 
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Re: Purchased set of Avon 3D XM Tires
« Reply #34 on: March 26, 2015, 08:02:29 pm »
I'm waiting on Avon to do something if not just to respond to my wobble problem.
What I have found out is that the front wheel is 3" wide and molded on the rim.
Kawasaki says it came with Dunlop 120/70-18 and the front wheel with is 3" and to replace it with the same.
Here's the rub.
The Dunlop 120/70-18 is actually 111 and not 120.
Kawasaki didn't recommend any other tire.

Avon has their chart which conflicts with Kawasaki and Dunlop
http://www.avon-tyres.co.uk/motorcycle/storm-3d-x-m

   size   load/spd index   rec rim (in)   alt rim (in) min/max   width (mm)   width (in)   dia (mm)   dia (in)   depth
Storm 3D X-M (front)   110/80ZR18   (58W)   MT2.50   2.50-3.00   109   4.3   631   24.8   4
Storm 3D X-M (front)   120/70ZR18   (59W)   MT3.50   3.50-3.75   119   4.7   625   24.6   4

Would the 110/80ZR18 cure the problem? Who knows? I will if I ever get one!

Avon says their Avon 3-D 120 70 18 fits 3.5 inch wheel, and Avon 3-D 110 80 18 fits 2.5 to 3 inch wheel.
It didn't make any difference with a bias ply tire which has stronger sidewalls and the radial don't.
I'll let you know when I find out.
Hope this makes sense.
Now we'll have to measure a tire before we buy it and not rely on what they call it.
« Last Edit: March 26, 2015, 08:06:07 pm by Mike »

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Re: Purchased set of Avon 3D XM Tires
« Reply #35 on: March 26, 2015, 08:18:41 pm »
Anyhow I need new tires before the Wildflower ride and am fixing to be in a bind.

Jim, I'll be at the Wildflower with an XM rear tire on the 06 and an Ultra Storm on the front. I've had two questionable Avons in the past 20 or so Azaro/Storm combos the past 10 years (would have been many more, but I've also run Pirellis Sport Demons, Michelin Macs, PRs, PPs, and GTs, Dunflop Roadsmarts and D205s, plus stockers).  The only tires I had absolutely let me down were Michelin GTs (knots on the tires front and rear), one Azaro front that had a wonky belt, and a Storm that took a slough of weight to balance that I didn't like.

Anyways, I just got the XM rear tire and will mount her up soon for the Wildflower ride. I hope it ain't a turd... the tire... I KNOW the Wildflower ain't never no turd. The Rita Ninja will be in attendance.   
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Re: Purchased set of Avon 3D XM Tires
« Reply #36 on: April 14, 2015, 12:26:26 pm »
Hi all, in the past, I used Azaro rear and storm-2 front and I loved them.  They were stable and provided excellent grip in dry and wet.  Now, as of last weekend, I put the Avon 3D x-m.  The rear feels skirmish (unstable) and not planted as the azaro.  Yesterday I rode in the rain and I was a little concerned about the grip.  The bike feels sliding from side to side and tracks the grooves in the asphalt.  Does anyone have experience with the Avon 3D x-m?

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Re: Purchased set of Avon 3D XM Tires
« Reply #37 on: April 14, 2015, 01:55:54 pm »
Hi all, in the past, I used Azaro rear and storm-2 front and I loved them.  They were stable and provided excellent grip in dry and wet.  Now, as of last weekend, I put the Avon 3D x-m.  The rear feels skirmish (unstable) and not planted as the azaro.  Yesterday I rode in the rain and I was a little concerned about the grip.  The bike feels sliding from side to side and tracks the grooves in the asphalt.  Does anyone have experience with the Avon 3D x-m?

I just finished reporting on another link.
I put both Storm 3D X-M front and rear on and thought I had a bad set of tires. Replaced them and had the same problem (riding on marbles or ice). I put my old may-pops back on and it rode fine. I then put a Storm 3D X-M (front)   110/80ZR18 on and it was fine so I put the same Storm 3D X-M (rear)   150/80ZR16 back on and it fine.
Take that 120 off the front and put a 110/80ZR18 on the front.
After reading as much as I can stand it's about 50/50 , some have the problem and some don't but no one has said to have the problem with the 110. By the way the speedo is close 1.5% slower than actual speed. At 70 it shows 68.

Avon has their chart which conflicts with Kawasaki and Dunlop
http://www.avon-tyres.co.uk/motorcycle/storm-3d-x-m

   size   load/spd index   rec rim (in)   alt rim (in) min/max   width (mm)   width (in)   dia (mm)   dia (in)   depth
Storm 3D X-M (front)   110/80ZR18   (58W)   MT2.50   2.50-3.00   109   4.3   631   24.8   4
Storm 3D X-M (front)   120/70ZR18   (59W)   MT3.50   3.50-3.75   119   4.7   625   24.6   4

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Re: Purchased set of Avon 3D XM Tires
« Reply #38 on: April 14, 2015, 08:09:00 pm »
Installed Storm 3D X-M 110/80ZR18 front and Storm 3D X-M 150/80ZR16 rear last week.  Took a 200 mile ride last weekend in some dry and some wet conditions.  Highway and two laners with no problems. 
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Re: Purchased set of Avon 3D XM Tires
« Reply #39 on: April 14, 2015, 08:18:41 pm »
Put a few hundred miles on the 3D XM rear on the 06 last weekend for the Wildflower Ride.  It's not an Azaro, but it performed well enough.  Good grip despite lots of water and wet roads.  Better dry, of course.  Typical Avon Azaro/Storm pointy profile.  Corners well, a little wiggly behind semis.  Good tire.
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