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Shinko 777 poor life?
« on: April 20, 2017, 07:41:10 pm »
I chose the 777 based on recommendations from the group, and the expectation it was a bit longer lasting.  I'm in FL, and drive the speed limit (mostly), so my requirements are pretty light.  This tire is squared off at the wear bars at 1 year and 6k miles.  Is this normal for a guy that doesn't ever get a chance to lean over?  I have the C14 shock in the rear that might not be set well, but nothing else I can blame on me. 

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Re: Shinko 777 poor life?
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2017, 07:49:40 pm »
I got the same on mine, 6000 miles.

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Re: Shinko 777 poor life?
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2017, 08:05:59 pm »
My C-10 is my commuter bike.
Spends most of its time on straighter,
high-speed primary roads.
I never get less than 12K miles from a 777.
In fact, it's the only tire I've ever used,
on any bike, that has lasted for two seasons.
By comparison, my "touring" bike goes
through two sets of tires in a season or
roughly 7.5K miles.

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Re: Shinko 777 poor life?
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2017, 09:19:15 pm »
I had few thousand miles on both the 2002 and 2005 C10 that I had put the 777/777HD on and both looked almost like new.
Is your pavement really course and/or sharp type aggregate?
Snowmobiles, I have a bunch.
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Re: Shinko 777 poor life?
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2017, 09:30:53 pm »
I had few thousand miles on both the 2002 and 2005 C10 that I had put the 777/777HD on and both looked almost like new.
Is your pavement really course and/or sharp type aggregate?

It's HOT pavement.... pretty much all the time...  Really hot.
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Re: Shinko 777 poor life?
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2017, 10:54:40 pm »
Roads are pretty good compared to other parts of the country.

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Re: Shinko 777 poor life?
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2017, 11:30:35 pm »
The roads are in better condition than the NE area but they are also much more abrasive then the roadways here in the NE area. I would venture
a guess that mileage would be about half of what we get out of tires here. Heck, I got over 11K out of a rear Avon and the front could have probably
gone to 15K or more.
The sun bakes out the binders in the pavement which leads to a very rough abrasive surface. You can see it by how fast the new pavement ages and
becomes a dark grey instead of black.

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Re: Shinko 777 poor life?
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2017, 02:05:09 am »
I'm unimpressed with its lifespan too.
I might try their Verge radial or just go back to the Michelin Commander II next time.
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Re: Shinko 777 poor life?
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2017, 02:26:10 am »
I'm unimpressed with its lifespan too.
I might try their Verge radial or just go back to the Michelin Commander II next time.


Got a rear Verge 011 right here to mount, love the shinko 777 but want a radial pair with my Pilot Road 3 front tire.
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Re: Shinko 777 poor life?
« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2017, 10:21:38 am »
I grew-up riding bikes and cycles in Fl and still have scars from the road rash. The roads are like sandpaper.  I have Shinko 712 on the front and a 777 on the rear of my '86 and their wearing like iron. The 777 has 10000 on it and the 712 has 3k and still looks new. They wear like the old Dunlop K491's without it's evil tendencies. I ride the saluda grade in NC for every other ride so I burn tires up.  Worst was Bridgestone bt45, I barely got months out of that tire, about 3k miles.
I just got a Dunlop Roadsmart for the front of my'01. I bought it because their made in Penn, but I'm usually sorry I bought Dunlops.
Has anybody used Shinko Journeys? I like the tread pattern better than the Verge and their made for Wings, so a Connie would be light. I think I could squeeze a 130 on the front of my '01 and I know a 160 would fit the rear. What y'all think.   

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Re: Shinko 777 poor life?
« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2017, 12:09:21 pm »
I'm unimpressed with its lifespan too.
I might try their Verge radial or just go back to the Michelin Commander II next time.


Got a rear Verge 011 right here to mount, love the shinko 777 but want a radial pair with my Pilot Road 3 front tire.


Had the Shinko 777/777HD on the rear of the two C10's and now riding a ST1300. The BattleAx rear tire was about done after a good long run and since there was no 777 in the needed size, I ordered a Verge 011 ($95). Getting it mounted today and hope to try it out this weekend-before the weather gets ugly with chance of snow again. Good reports on the ST forum as to performance and life of the Verge 011, even though the tread pattern doesn't look very impressive.
Snowmobiles, I have a bunch.
Motorcycles-I haven't had anything except dirtbikes 30 years ago, so this will be all new to me.
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Re: Shinko 777 poor life?
« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2017, 06:43:35 pm »
I'm unimpressed with its lifespan too.
I might try their Verge radial or just go back to the Michelin Commander II next time.


Got a rear Verge 011 right here to mount, love the shinko 777 but want a radial pair with my Pilot Road 3 front tire.


Had the Shinko 777/777HD on the rear of the two C10's and now riding a ST1300. The BattleAx rear tire was about done after a good long run and since there was no 777 in the needed size, I ordered a Verge 011 ($95). Getting it mounted today and hope to try it out this weekend-before the weather gets ugly with chance of snow again. Good reports on the ST forum as to performance and life of the Verge 011, even though the tread pattern doesn't look very impressive.


That is what I thought, we still have lots of sand and junk in the center lanes of our roads, and the center tread line on the Verge is basically a racing slick. I will keep my 777 on until at least the roads are clean, those tires have nice deep tread grooves.
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Re: Shinko 777 poor life?
« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2017, 06:44:43 pm »
This thread will also likely get moved to the Tires/Suspension section, where I never go for some reason.
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Re: Shinko 777 poor life?
« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2017, 10:17:02 pm »
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Has anybody used Shinko Journeys? I like the tread pattern better than the Verge and their made for Wings, so a Connie would be light. I think I could squeeze a 130 on the front of my '01 and I know a 160 would fit the rear. What y'all think.   


That's what I'm running right now.  I ran a verge on the front with the journey on the back first time.  Front had some cupping when I pulled it and the rear at 8,000.  I went with journey's front and rear this time.  I have about 4,000 on them and expect the same mileage as the first set.  I like to change front and rear at the same time.  Price isn't bad.  Good for people that struggle to get the bike up on the centerstand.  I like'm.

http://www.chaparral-racing.com/product/shinko-se890-journey-tourning-radial-tire-kit/369-s-026-kit.aspx

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Re: Shinko 777 poor life?
« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2017, 12:09:59 am »
Got a rear Verge 011 right here to mount,
So who's got the best delivered prices on those?
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Re: Shinko 777 poor life?
« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2017, 04:35:06 am »
Got a rear Verge 011 right here to mount,
So who's got the best delivered prices on those?

I got mine for $124 from Jake Wilson.com, tire came with a full plastic wrap and was clean, and not bound with tape and deformed. Mounted up and balanced easily from the looks, will get a test run out on Sunday.
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Re: Shinko 777 poor life?
« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2017, 11:31:15 am »
Got a rear Verge 011 right here to mount,
So who's got the best delivered prices on those?

Dennis Kirk had the Verge 011 for $90.34 plus $5 "tire charge" in the size for my ST1300 (170/60/17). I ordered one afternoon and had it the next afternoon.
Snowmobiles, I have a bunch.
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Re: Shinko 777 poor life?
« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2017, 03:28:23 pm »
Got a rear Verge 011 right here to mount,
So who's got the best delivered prices on those?

Dennis Kirk had the Verge 011 for $90.34 plus $5 "tire charge" in the size for my ST1300 (170/60/17). I ordered one afternoon and had it the next afternoon.

That might be the best price for an ST, with that common 17''
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Re: Shinko 777 poor life?
« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2017, 09:43:05 pm »
Thanks guys!

FWIW, here are some Jake Wilson prices.

150/80B-16 (77H) Shinko 777 $85.88

150/80ZR-16 (71W) Shinko 011 Verge $124.88

150/80B-16 (77H) Michelin Commander II $143.80

150/80B-16 (77H) Dunlop Elite 4  $142.68
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Re: Shinko 777 poor life?
« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2017, 04:00:57 pm »
Scared of this new Verge 011, I am getting excessive sidewall flex and the bike handles like a noodle. I brought the PSI up to 43 cold, we'll see if there is any improvement this afternoon. The rubber is very soft and has good grip, but the rear end now rolls left and right as I enter turns..

Any experience with radials on a Connie is greatly appreciated, the Verge is on the stock 16 rear rim. I have been running radial Pilot Road 3's on the front for a long time with no problems. I think radials are designed to have larger rims and short sidewalls, on the OEM rear rim all that sidewall provides too much flex I think.
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Re: Shinko 777 poor life?
« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2017, 12:09:50 am »
Aw crap, I started a tire thread.  Question was answered and verified by locals.  Roads here eat tires.  Now that the damage is done, anyone have experience with cruiser Dunlops?  My local Harley shop (family friend) keeps them in stock.

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Re: Shinko 777 poor life?
« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2017, 12:20:39 am »
I'm on my 5th set of Wing 1500 sized Dunlop E3s and consistently get 20K miles from both front and rear. My bike is an 06 C10.


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