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Title: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: dano44 on November 03, 2010, 11:38:38 pm
Hey all,

I have a significant air leak in my rear tire.  I have a dealer checking it out now, but suspect that they'll come back with the old "You need to replace the tire" line.  (The rubber is still good, but if it has a hole in it, my understanding is that you don't repair, you only replace.)

So, I believe it currently has an Avon 195 (? - not sure, bike isn't in front of me) on the rear.  I don't ride crazy-hard, don't lay it down nearly sideways in curves, but do like to corner hard sometimes.  Try to avoid riding in the rain, but sometimes, you know, you get caught in the rain.

So, pretty much normal riding, and I want to take some long trips this coming spring/summer. 

I've read the forum on tires, and people seem pretty passionate about which tires are the best.  I'd like to get your opinion on what tires provide the best value and performance.

Thanks guys!

Dano
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: John on November 04, 2010, 12:37:54 am
Dano:

I'm sure by the time this thread has been around a week, you will have at least 10 different tires brands given to you.  As for me, I've run a good number of different tires and there is only one I will NOT buy again, that is the Metzler 880.  Yes, they wear well, handle fair on dry pavement, but when it rains, you have to make an effort to avoid the painted sections of the road as they slip fairly easily on that.  The Avons, they handle well (wet and dry) but don't hold up very long, meaning they wear out rather quickly.  So, just read what each person has to say and try to pick one that suits your riding style.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: S Smith on November 04, 2010, 01:23:23 am
My tires of choice right now for the C10 is the Avon Storm 2 Ultra (front) and Azaro (rear).   
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Volcantour on November 04, 2010, 03:22:25 am
For some extra bucks you can get Avon Venoms. Supposed to wear longer and still hold in the rain.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Slybones on November 04, 2010, 03:29:21 am
Bridgestone BT45 are another good choice.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Rev Ryder on November 04, 2010, 02:03:59 pm
My tires of choice right now for the C10 is the Avon Storm 2 Ultra (front) and Azaro (rear).
In stock sizes, I concur with this choice of tires.  If you have done any 17" conversions the choices open up... a LOT.  No... actually WAY more than a LOT.  However, the Avons are excellent tires for most conditions and in the stock sizes offer unmatched performance as far as handling and grip are concerned.  They are NOT long life tires, but give outstanding service for as long as they do last.

Now talking about tires lasting a long time... I realize that money doesn't grow on trees and we all want to maximize our bang for the buck, but one thing I keep in mind is that as tires near the end of their lifespan the handling, feel, and performance is compromised, right?  And a long life tire, if you insist on getting the life out of it, will generally keep you on crappy tires for waaaaayyyyy too long for real enjoyment or safety, IMHO.  Just another thought to toss into the equation of shopping for tires. 

I consider tires as maintenance/disposable items rather than as a permanent fixture of the motorcycle.  When they cease giving me what I want, I throw em away and get some that do.  Yeah, I gripe about the expense, but I'm always thrilled with the ride after swapping em out and THAT is what I like... having a ride that performs at 100%, as close to 100% of the time as possible.  Just my .02
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: oldsawfiler on November 04, 2010, 03:35:17 pm
I vote for the BT45s.  On my second rear and the first front is going away.
I do agree with Rev, but personal, I can not use 100% of the bikes potential.  I do not need the sticky short lived Avons.  The
BTs stick better than I can ride and last fairly long.
I will never under any circumstances put the Metzler 880s back on the bike.   That is what was on it when I bought it.  They wear like iron, but they are godawful slick in the wet stuff, or even under hard breaking on dry surfaces.
I dream of 17" wheels :'(
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: mdr on November 04, 2010, 04:13:43 pm
So, I believe it currently has an Avon 195 (? - not sure, bike isn't in front of me) on the rear.  I don't ride crazy-hard, don't lay it down nearly sideways in curves, but do like to corner hard sometimes.  Try to avoid riding in the rain, but sometimes, you know, you get caught in the rain.

I've read the forum on tires, and people seem pretty passionate about which tires are the best.  I'd like to get your opinion on what tires provide the best value and performance.


Asking what tires are best is like asking who's the prettiest girl.  You'll get folks asking why you think that even matters in the choice :)

I've been mostly happy with the Avons.  I don't do much mileage tho', so relatively fast wear isn't an issue.  If they wore longer I'd probably have to replace them from dry rot anyway.  Most of my seat time is at 20-40MPH herding bicycles or commuting.  Which come to think of it most of that is at the same speed.

I can get the rear to slip around here, but Austin's streets are paved with reclaimed fryer grease and BBQ drippin's. 

Know you were looking for a 'best', but the Tire List is over here.  I'm linking the front page instead of the link since I'm not certain it will remain constant as I edit the 'front page'.  Go through the ToC and you'll get there.  It's a bare bone page so it ought to load quickly.
http://web.newsguy.com/vrooomm/Connie/
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Cap'n Bob on November 04, 2010, 06:21:26 pm
I like the Avon's on the first C10. I plan on using them again on the new/older C10!
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: GSGSXJay on November 06, 2010, 09:27:46 pm
If you are using the stock rims the Dunlop Roadsmart radial tire is a very good choice for a front tire.  Right now mine has 16k on it and still isn't down to the wear marks...yet. 

Dunlop D205's rear tires are still available and do very good in the rain.

 
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Cap'n Bob on November 07, 2010, 10:09:43 am
If you are using the stock rims the Dunlop Roadsmart radial tire is a very good choice for a front tire.  Right now mine has 16k on it and still isn't down to the wear marks...yet. 

Dunlop D205's rear tires are still available and do very good in the rain.


I've never liked the Dunlop's as much. They always give me the flat squared off edge feel, much quicker than other tires! But that's just my experience.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Rev Ryder on November 07, 2010, 01:34:16 pm
I'm a Dunflop hater hater hater (yeah, that bad).  But now that I have 17" rims and can run any tire I want... I've got a set of Roadsmarts on there and I like em a lot.  Hated the 205s though... hate hate hate.  Sorry, cuppin', squarin'-off, no stickin', so and sos.   >:(

There, I feel better now.  ;)
They were MUCH better than the OEM rubber.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: GSGSXJay on November 08, 2010, 03:17:36 pm
I'm a Dunflop hater hater hater (yeah, that bad).  But now that I have 17" rims and can run any tire I want... I've got a set of Roadsmarts on there and I like em a lot.  Hated the 205s though... hate hate hate.  Sorry, cuppin', squarin'-off, no stickin', so and sos.   >:(

There, I feel better now.  ;)
They were MUCH better than the OEM rubber.
The Dunlop RoadSmart front tire is much better than the Dunlop D205 front tire because of the multiple compound tread.  Too bad Dunlop hasn't made a RoadSmart tire in 150/80-16.  :(

If the manufacturers decide to quit making the C10 sized tires in the near future I'm going to make a beeline to get 17" rims OR get another bike. 
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Brady on November 09, 2010, 11:44:54 pm
I was wondering if anyone had experience with the Shinko 747's?
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: GSGSXJay on November 11, 2010, 03:52:51 pm
I was wondering if anyone had experience with the Shinko 747's?
Can't say that I have personal experience w/ that tire but a friend has been happy w/ Shinko Raven tires.  The best thing about them was the price but in the same breath there have been problems w/ quality.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Brady on November 13, 2010, 05:45:49 am
it appears the 747 and the 757 have been discontinued. >:(
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Slybones on November 13, 2010, 05:57:42 am
and the 787 is not out yet
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: GSGSXJay on November 14, 2010, 09:41:44 pm
and the 787 is not out yet
777 is in service. :D :D :D
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Frogrider on November 15, 2010, 01:44:31 am
Avon Azarro Rear
Avon Storm Front
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Brady on November 17, 2010, 07:17:56 pm
Avon Azarro Rear
Avon Storm Front
this combo is $270  with free shipping on Motorcycle Super Store any one know of any better deal then that?
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Rev Ryder on November 18, 2010, 04:15:56 pm
$261.93 with FREE shipping to lower 48 from www.americanmototire.com that's the Ultra 2 Storm in the 110 size and Azaro rear in 150.

$249.90 from www.swmototires.com for the same sizes.  Also FREE shippping

hope this helps.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: norm-9688 on November 18, 2010, 11:25:44 pm
$261.93 with FREE shipping to lower 48 from www.americanmototire.com that's the Ultra 2 Storm in the 110 size and Azaro rear in 150.

$249.90 from www.swmototires.com for the same sizes.  Also FREE shippping

hope this helps.

 Rev, I was looking around and it looks like the Avon Venom are available in stock sizes, do you know if anyone has tried them?
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Volcantour on November 19, 2010, 12:11:01 am
I've got the Venoms in 'Goldwing' sizes on mine (f 130/70-18, r 160/80-16). So far, 3K miles and loving it.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: BamaCOGer on November 19, 2010, 12:26:41 am
I ordered a Storm 2 front tire in 120/70 - 18 from swmototires.com.  Best price I found anywhere and free shipping.  Thanks for all the info from everyone.  I will order the rear Avon AV46 from swmototires.com when it is time to replace my Dunlop D205 rear.

2000 Concours 43k
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Rev Ryder on November 19, 2010, 03:37:32 am
I have no Venom experience.  Storm, Azaro, D205, OEM,Macadam X100, Pilot Road, Pilot Power, Pirelli Sport Demons, and now Roadsmarts in 17".  I've run these tires only on the C10.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Slybones on November 19, 2010, 05:30:59 am
So Rev, how do you get 250 for the Avon combo at swmototires. When I look the front is 128 and the rear 140. Thats 268 by my math.

I noticed shopping for BT45 they were cheaper at MS superstore.

BT45's which some like better are 86 front and 116 rear for $202 shipped from MS Superstore. So far I like the BT-45's. Similar to the Avon combo from a wear point of view with the front wearing well, and the back is going much quicker. Had me thinking of going back to Pig Wing tars again and trying the Venoms. However I see the Venoms are $307 for a set shipped at MS superstore in wing sizes and for a comparison from the same store the BT45's would be $318 for a front and 2 rears.  Comparing them from the same store, seems like not to far off cost wise. On one side its a bit less work to not change the extra rear for wing size. But on the other side I can keep the nice handling of the 110/80 front, the grip, etc of the sport tour tire in stock size for $11 in cost. Its really only a bit more time in Colin's garage.

Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Rev Ryder on November 19, 2010, 09:21:40 pm
Like I stated, that was for the 110/80-18 front tire (we guys with early bikes has skinny front rims hence a smaller tire that runs $109.95) and the 150/60-16 rear (same all models @ $139.95) for a total of $149.90 + free shipping.  As would be expected, you priced the later model 120 front at $119.95.  Sorry to get you all excited.   ;D


EDIT TO ADD:
Wait a minute.  Your numbers are still fuzzy.  Where did you get $128 for the front at?
(lookin around some more)
Ahhh, OK.  I see you were looking at the Storm 2.  I was looking at the original Storm front tire.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: norm-9688 on November 19, 2010, 10:36:56 pm
So Rev, how do you get 250 for the Avon combo at swmototires. When I look the front is 128 and the rear 140. Thats 268 by my math.

I noticed shopping for BT45 they were cheaper at MS superstore.

BT45's which some like better are 86 front and 116 rear for $202 shipped from MS Superstore. So far I like the BT-45's. Similar to the Avon combo from a wear point of view with the front wearing well, and the back is going much quicker. Had me thinking of going back to Pig Wing tars again and trying the Venoms. However I see the Venoms are $307 for a set shipped at MS superstore in wing sizes and for a comparison from the same store the BT45's would be $318 for a front and 2 rears.  Comparing them from the same store, seems like not to far off cost wise. On one side its a bit less work to not change the extra rear for wing size. But on the other side I can keep the nice handling of the 110/80 front, the grip, etc of the sport tour tire in stock size for $11 in cost. Its really only a bit more time in Colin's garage.

 Sw moto seems to have the Venom in  near stock sizes, 120/80/18 front and 150/80/16 rear for about $275.00 shipped.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Brady on November 20, 2010, 12:27:19 am
could someone explain to me what the biggest differences are between the Avon storm/azaro combo and the BT45's other then $75.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: norm-9688 on November 20, 2010, 01:05:09 am
could someone explain to me what the biggest differences are between the Avon storm/azaro combo and the BT45's other then $75.

 The Avons are radial tires and the BT45's are Bias-ply. The BT45's will last longer but the Avons will give you better grip at the limits. Many feel that radials give a quicker response to inputs over bias-ply tires. It all breaks down to how and where you ride and what you would like for tire life. Most seem to average about 6000 miles from the rear on the Avons while I think the BT45's could give you 10k or more.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Brady on November 20, 2010, 02:01:12 am
Thanks Norm that is very helpful.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Slybones on November 20, 2010, 04:56:37 pm
Having done radials D205's and BT45's back to back, I saw no change in the response of the tire.  There are a few on this forum who have done the Avons and BT45 back to back.  I don't think handling response is an issue.

All in all the trade off are probably true, but at a very small scale. When it comes to the balance of handling and traction versus tire life, the  BT45 are a lot more like the Avons and a lot less like the difference when comparing Avons / D205's / or BT45s to the Wing Size tires.

I have 8K on my rear now and its getting low and starting to square off.  10K will be lucky. The front seems to be doing good. And the other I know that have used BT45 report similar things. -- Why I priced 2 rears and 1 front  for the comparison.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Slybones on November 20, 2010, 05:23:41 pm
Sw moto seems to have the Venom in  near stock sizes, 120/80/18 front and 150/80/16 rear for about $275.00 shipped.

Maybe but then my statement was Venoms in the wing sizes are $307 shipped at MS Superstore. Looking at swmototire wing size Venoms are 139 for the front and 171 for the rear, at $310 shipped.

There are people who have always been disappointed in the lack of mileage of the performance oriented tires. Me included. People have looked to the Wing Size tires as a way to get more of a balance between tire life and performance.  Some wing tires like the ME880's and the Elite 3's are pretty touring oriented. The gap between the performance tires and the wing tires was noticeable.

But then we got the Pilot GT's which handled way better than the previous wing tires most have tried. And we had a guy selling them to us for $260 range shipped.  The gap narrowed. At the time it seemed Avons versus Pilot GT's was all talk. At roughly $260 shipped for either set. -- I ran both the ME880s and the Pilot GTs.

Now days the Pilot GT's are gone and Avon Venoms are the replacement for the Wing Size group.  And people have also found some excellent alternatives in the stock sizes. While Avon Storm/Azaro combo may still be the best all out tire combo, there are some alternatives in the stock sizes with a very close gap, and nothing like the switch to Wing Sizes. BT45's being one of them. And at $70 range cheaper. There are even at least 2 on this forum that have done both the Avons and the BT45's and like the BT45's better.

We have also learned the 120/70 front tires don't belong on our bikes as they are designed for a 3.5" wheel and not the Connie's 3.0" wheel. We have learned to get the 110/80 instead.

So now my BT45 rear is getting down there and its time for me to think about what to try next. Do I want to go back to wing sizes and try the Venoms or should I stick with the BT45's. Or how about I finally get off my butt and try some Avons.

When I factor in cost, 2 rears and 1 front for Avons is a bit more than a set of Venoms in the wing sizes. But for the BT45's 2 rears and 1 front versus a set of Venoms in the wing size is only $11. Now I am wondering if I can stick with a performance oriented tire and get the mileage of the wing tires for similar cost, albeit more time in the garage changing that rear.

On edit, I got 20K out of my Pilot GT's and ME880's. However I dont seem to be as hard one tires as some. 15K is/was average for the Pilot GT crowd. I don't know about the Venoms. Anyway using 15K as a benchmark, and the wear on my current BT45's the question is can I get 15K out of 2 BT45 rears and 1 front. I say easily out of 2 rears. Not sure about the front. 15K on the BT front might be pushing it. -- But then I got the V rated BT45 front. They also have a H rated BT45 front that fits the Connie. In our sizes the BT45 rear is V rated only. But for the front an H rated BT45 might do the trick. -- Given the Wing sizes tires are all H rated ( that I know of ) this is not a big loss in my comparison of sticking with performance tires and mileage versus switching back to wing sizes.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: norm-9688 on November 21, 2010, 02:46:12 am

On edit, I got 20K out of my Pilot GT's and ME880's. However I dont seem to be as hard one tires as some. 15K is/was average for the Pilot GT crowd. I don't know about the Venoms. Anyway using 15K as a benchmark, and the wear on my current BT45's the question is can I get 15K out of 2 BT45 rears and 1 front. I say easily out of 2 rears. Not sure about the front. 15K on the BT front might be pushing it. -- But then I got the V rated BT45 front. They also have a H rated BT45 front that fits the Connie. In our sizes the BT45 rear is V rated only. But for the front an H rated BT45 might do the trick. -- Given the Wing sizes tires are all H rated ( that I know of ) this is not a big loss in my comparison of sticking with performance tires and mileage versus switching back to wing sizes.

 I'm getting near 14k on my Pilot Gt's and need to find something to replace or do the 17in rear converson. In the BT45's they list a 110/80/18 front and a 150/80/16 rear so why get "wing" size? Do you think the 110/80/18 front will fit a 2003?
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Slybones on November 21, 2010, 03:35:00 am
The 110/80-18 fits great on my 2003. Don't see why it will not fit on yours.

The stock Dunlop K700 series tires are radials and the 120/70 is designed for the 3.0" front wheel the Connie has.

However if you check the websites D205's, Avons and other tires in the 120/70 size are designed for 3.5" wheels, with 3.5" being the minimum width allowed and 3.75 being the widest. Of course most people dont know this and install them anyways. The 110/80 tires are 2.5" minimum wheel width ( the stock wheel in the older Connies ) and 3.0" wheel is the max width, the newer Connies. They will fit both.

Once many moons ago I think it was Colt45 who said the 120 deform enough that they were not any wider than the 110 when mounted. According to the tire size calculators the 120 is supposed to be 4.72 inches wide. The 110 is supposed to be 4.33 inches wide.

I measured my D205 120/70 radial at 4.45 inches mounted on my wheel. That's .27 inches deformation when mounted. Later when I removed the D205 and installed the BT45's I measured the unmounted D205 at 4.72 inches.

On the other hand the 110/80 is supposed to be 4.33 inches. My BT45 110/80 measured 4.33 both before and after mounting. No change in shape what so ever.

Here is my calipers set at 4.72 inches and then held up to the horribly cupped D205 about to be replaced. As you can see there is quite a gap there.

(http://home.comcast.net/~slybones/Concours/images/IMGP5355.JPG)
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Slybones on November 21, 2010, 03:41:22 am
Here is my newly mounted BT45 still at 4.33 inches mounted

(http://home.comcast.net/~slybones/Concours/images/IMGP5582.JPG)
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Slybones on November 21, 2010, 03:45:13 am
Just for reference the 130/70 Wing Size front tire should be 5.12 inches wide
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Brady on November 21, 2010, 03:54:21 am
is there any difference between the avon storm and storm 2?  Also are radials any safer then bias tires? Slybones how are the BT45's in the wet?
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Slybones on November 21, 2010, 04:05:00 am
From a tire diameter point of view

120/70 should be 24.61 inches
110/80 should be 24.93 inches
130/70 should be 25.17 inches

Given this I was expecting some change in speedometer and odometer readings when switching from the D205's to the BT45's. However it didn't work out like that. I did not measure tire diameter like I did the width. But I suspect that squishing the 120 on the to narrow 3.0" wheel not only deformed it width wise, but also height wise as well.

If you read my older posts and my Connie website pages you'll see that I always felt the D205's were a bit nervous feeling. Yes they steer quicker that the wing sizes I was running before. They had a smoother, nicer ride as well. Yes even compared to the Pilot GT's, which I liked very much. However I always felt like I had to make constant minute corrections all the time. They just had a twitch to them I never got used to, especially after 40K of wing size tires. And the D205 front cupped horribly just like every one complains about them. To me they were also noisy. Up straight they were quiet, but howled in the turns. And got worse as they got older and cupped.

Now with the BT45's, they steer and ride just as nice as the D205's did. Nicer than either of the wing sizes I tried. And they don't have that nervous feeling. From that point of view I noticed no real change in steering and response. Just that nervous feeling went away. These track straight, ride nice, excellent traction, steer nice and light, etc etc. They are quiet too. No ####ing howling, thank you!! I am happy as can be with these. Now if I could only get 15K out of a set.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Brady on November 23, 2010, 06:06:43 am
I went ahead and bought a set of the BT45V tires from MC superstore.  $201 is tough to beat.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Volcantour on November 23, 2010, 10:11:21 pm
Moderator, can we make this thread a sticky one? There is lots of good information that will be needed again, for sure.  Thanks.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Greg on November 24, 2010, 01:22:23 am
I've been running Metzeler ME 880 bias plys for the last 16k Kms and still have at least one more season on them. They handle well and stick well, although I'm not the most agressive rider around ( top speed so far only 205 Kms/hr ). They are not recomended for connie as they have a top rated speed of 230Kms/hr but I won't exceed that so I figure they are O.K. for me. By the way most of my riding is two up with gear ( often my wife and our 50lb airdale dog ). Good hunting, Greg- 01 zg1000 60k Kms.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: oldsawfiler on November 24, 2010, 01:36:15 am
Greg, I had the 880s on mine when I bought it and though they were pretty good.  I couldn't understand why people were downing them so much.  When I replaced them with the Bridgstone 45vs, I found out why.  The 880s wear like iron, but they really don't stick very well.
Have you tried any other tires on your concours yet?
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Gary T on November 27, 2010, 08:30:00 pm
I've had stock tires and replaced them with Metzlers on both of the connie's I've owned.  I've been in quite a bit of rain, and haven't had any grip problems, other than once hitting a dew-laden relective tape strip at a stop light with too much speed.  I'm getting about 18K miles on a rear tire and 20K on the front.  I do very little of my own wrenching, and changing tires every 6K miles would be quite an expense and a hassle.  I think I had just bought my first pair of 880's when the Pilot GT's came out, and by the time I wore them out, the GT's were gone! 

I find the wing size 880's wear well, they track well, add an inch or so to the bike height (which even trues the speedometer!).  Most of my riding is either commuting to work, or backroad riding and blasting home/ blasting there and riding back.  Even the two or three long trips I take each year have at least one blast leg on the interstate, which is what these tires were designed for.  I've been to the Dragon/Blue Ridge/Cherahola twice on 'em, but I'm not a very agressive rider and don't realize any deficit to the handling.

So like the smart people on this site have already said, there is no optimum tire for the connie, just optimum tires for the way you ride. 
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: BamaCOGer on December 04, 2010, 01:31:03 am
After reading all the info on the forum I decided to go with the Avon Storm 2 Ultra in the 120/70ZR-18 in the front.  I had it installed today and the handling improvement from the Dunlop 205 in the 110/80R-18 was immediately noticeable.

I plan to put the Avon Azaro ST AV46 on the rear when the Dunlop 205 is worn down.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: WillyP on December 06, 2010, 01:02:32 pm
I've got Pilot GT's on my '88.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Ranger Jim on December 06, 2010, 04:23:52 pm
I've run stock Dunlops (only got about 6K miles/set), ME880's (wear like iron, wet handling is less than stellar), Pilot GT (had a great balance between handling wet or dry and tire wear, unfortunately no longer in production) and currently have the Avon Azaro/Storm combination (seems a bit "nervous" on the slab but handling wet or dry is excellent, tire mileage TBD).
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Brady on December 06, 2010, 10:02:18 pm
ya its a really bummer that the Pilot GT's are no longer produced. I'm very happy how they have worn and would have bought another set if they had been available.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: mjrfd99 on January 18, 2011, 03:50:51 pm
My GT's are done.  Would like to try the BT-45.   Where to get a deal and what size do you suggest for my 05?

PS Very disapointed that my front GT devloped a 6 in bulge on tread. 1/2 the tire left but now worthless.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Slybones on January 18, 2011, 08:30:54 pm
Back a while ago, my Pilot GT front did the same thing. There have been others too. We are not alone. At the time I posted about mine someone had  a link to a recall by Michelin for a different series Pilot tire, but had the same/similar failure mode as we are seeing on the Pilot GT's.  I used to have a pic of it posted but I must have deleted from my site as its now a red X.

Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Slybones on January 18, 2011, 08:41:13 pm
BT45's are $205 range shipped from MS Superstore

You'll get the stock size rear at 150/80-16.

For the front they do not make a 120/70-18 they only have the 110/80-18. The 110/80-18 is the one you want. If you read back through this thread, you will see that except for the factory dunflop 120/70-18 tires most ( all that I know of ) 120/70's are designed for a 3.5 inch wheel and your 05 Connie will have a 3.0" wheel.  3.5" is the min width and 3.75 is the max width.

As it turns out the 110/80 is designed for a 2.5" wheel as its minimum width ( also the stock wheel on the 86-93 model years ) and a 3.0" wheel as its maximum width ( the stock wheel on the 94-06 ). So it fits both models quite nicely.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: 2linby on January 18, 2011, 11:03:06 pm
It used to be funny to saythe best tires are "black and round", but given the fact that almost everyone in the industry has given up on the Connie sizes, even after a full 20 year run on the model is very discouraging.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: mjrfd99 on January 18, 2011, 11:24:16 pm
Thanks for the info guys!!!
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: mjrfd99 on February 04, 2011, 01:37:59 pm
 BT-45's Ordered -arrived - look good - off to tire shop [garage 20 deg f-that] we'll see in the spring.
 Even got a steal deal on a pair of 023's [003 lasted 3k :o] for the busa   Very much thanks. :D
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: MN2 Kevin Hill on February 24, 2011, 05:58:05 am
Another good tire choice that I have been running on my 2001 Connie is Dunlop Elite E3's. I purchased my bike last year with 41,000 miles on it I know have 53,000 and still have 3 to 4 32nds left. They are the Goldwing size. 160/80/16 Rear and a 130/70/18 on the front. Just an option if you carry extra weight or a passenger.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Uglydog56 on February 28, 2011, 03:51:44 pm
I am running Avon Roadriders on a 98 with a 110/80 front, stock rear.  They have been tested on dry pavement, gravel, rain, ice, and slush so far and have been superb thus far - nary a wiggle.  Waiting on mileage report.  Under 200 for the pair from motorcycle superstore.
Title: Worthwhile Storm 2 / Azaro ST info... received directly from Avon.
Post by: BrianButler on March 09, 2011, 01:50:39 pm
While it would be nice to have matched pairs more readily available, it looks like the slim choices will continue for the C10. Heard back from Kevin Corbett, a "Technical Service Representative" from Avon. The Storm 2/Azaro ST combination is their sole recommendation for the C10, further stating that they "will not cause any performance issues when used on the same bike." Tire pressure should be 36psi front /42psi rear for solo riding , and 38psi front /45psi rear for two-up riding. Hope the rest of you find this info useful.
Title: Re: Worthwhile Storm 2 / Azaro ST info... received directly from Avon.
Post by: Cap'n Bob on March 09, 2011, 02:57:39 pm
While it would be nice to have matched pairs more readily available, it looks like the slim choices will continue for the C10. Heard back from Kevin Corbett, a "Technical Service Representative" from Avon. The Storm 2/Azaro ST combination is their sole recommendation for the C10, further stating that they "will not cause any performance issues when used on the same bike." Tire pressure should be 36psi front /42psi rear for solo riding , and 38psi front /45psi rear for two-up riding. Hope the rest of you find this info useful.

Good info. thanks!
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Zorlac on March 09, 2011, 08:02:35 pm
"The Storm 2/Azaro ST combination is their sole recommendation for the C10, further stating that they "will not cause any performance issues when used on the same bike."

But look out if you mount a Storm on one bike and the Azaro on a different bike, that's hazardous!  :o
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: ron203 on March 10, 2011, 02:04:09 am
Just went to the Storm/Azaro combo on my 2000 (old ones were Dunlop 700/701's). The difference was UNBELIEVABLE. Really. A little pricey, yes. Great improvement, also yes. No idea how long they'll  last, but they are amazing. This combo was recommended by others here.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Volcantour on March 10, 2011, 05:25:30 am
Just did some measurements and math on my Avon Venoms in GW sizes.  Looks like the front tire will give me 22,500 miles and the rear 38,000 miles.  But what is missing is the non-linear ratio of wear to mileage, because as the tire diameter gets smaller the number of rotations per mile increases and therefore there is more tire wear per mile. One of you engineers wanna help me out here?

Front 130/70B18 with Aramid belts, initial tread depth 4.7 mm  After 14,473 miles, tread depth is now 3.3.  Minimum tread depth is 1.0 mm, so I have 2.3 mm left on the tire.   

Rear 160/80B16 with Aramid belts, initial tread depth is 8.7 mm.  Same mileage as above, tread depth is now 5.0 mm.  Minimum tread depth (for 80 MPH) is 3.0 mm

What I want to know is how many miles to expect out of these tires at these wear rates.  Thanks!
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: WillyP on March 10, 2011, 10:59:23 am
I think there are so many other variables I think any calculations done with regard to tire diameter change would be lost in the noise.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: BrianButler on March 10, 2011, 12:04:08 pm
@ Volcantour - It'd be great to put all of our faith in just that one factor... tread depth. Not sure how many miles you ride in a season. My goal is 5000-6000 miles. I'll change my tires every two years, even if they don't look visibly worn. About $400 (including labor) every two years is a small price to pay for the reassurance of safe passage. Happy trails!
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Volcantour on March 10, 2011, 01:07:24 pm
Thanks.  Am trying to schedule/budget when to buy new tires.  I did the 14K miles since November 09, or 16 months.  Figuring at that rate that I will need new rear tire about eight months from now??
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: BrianButler on March 10, 2011, 02:28:59 pm
A rule to survive by... when on two wheels, always err on the side of caution. If you have to ask if you should wait... you probably shouldn't!
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Zorlac on March 10, 2011, 04:02:10 pm
Just did some measurements and math on my Avon Venoms in GW sizes.  Looks like the front tire will give me 22,500 miles and the rear 38,000 miles.  But what is missing is the non-linear ratio of wear to mileage, because as the tire diameter gets smaller the number of rotations per mile increases and therefore there is more tire wear per mile. One of you engineers wanna help me out here?
Blinded by science (http://www.amazon.com/Accutire-MS-48B-Digital-Combination-Pressure/dp/B004APM12G/ref=pd_sbs_auto_1).  ::)
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: BrianButler on March 11, 2011, 01:37:20 pm
Just read every entry in the "New Tech Article  94-06 Tire Fitment," begun by Colin. I received confirmation from Avon, confirming that the Storm 2/Azaro ST pairing is their sole recommendation for the C10, with no plans to expand the offerings.

But, apparently there's an issue with Avon's 120/70 properly fitting the stock rim, and some of you are more content with a 110/80.

So... what is the better (i.e. "safer") choice for the front, a 110/80-18, or the 120/70-18? Any problems with overall width, diameter? Those who have opted for the 110/80... why? Better handling, stability, wear? Any drawbacks?

Maybe we can all pitch in, build a factory, and fabricate our own tires... BRILLIANT! 
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Zorlac on March 11, 2011, 01:47:59 pm
"Any problems with overall width, diameter? Those who have opted for the 110/80... why? Better handling, stability, wear? Any drawbacks?"

A Mich PR2 110/80 fits well and feels great on my 03.
Too early for wear yet.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Slybones on March 11, 2011, 04:26:32 pm
Not quite apples to apples, like doing a storm 2 in 120/70 and then 110/80 back to back. But I did a Dunlop D205 in the stock 120/70 and now doing a Bridgestone BT45 in the 110/80 size back to back.

To me the D205 always felt twitchy, nervious feeling. I always felt like I have to make constant minute corrections. The BT45 does not have that nervious feeling. Feels more stable.  Those are my pics in the Fitment article. Thats was my D205 with the calipers showing how its pinched. So in hindsight I wonder if that pinching is why it always had that twitchy feeling. I went from 2 sets of very stable wing size tires to a pinched D205. 

The BT45 in 110/80 as you can see in my pics from the article is not pinched at all. It maintained its same width both before and after mounting. To me it does not have the twitchy feeling. From a handling / steering input point of view  the D205 and BT45 feel pretty much the same. When I went from ME880's to Pilot GT's I noticed right off now much quicker and lighter the steering was for Pig Wing Tars. Then again when going from the Pilot GT's to the D205's I notice right off quicker and lighter steering. When going from the D205 to the BT45 I did not really notice any change in that regard. Still steers the same, but got lots of that stable feeling back.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Slybones on March 11, 2011, 04:30:36 pm
From a "safer" point of view, I dont think I would worry. Go with what feels more comfortable to you.  There are so many Connies out there with 120/70 radials that I think we as a collective group would hear about it if there was a serious problem.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Slybones on March 11, 2011, 04:36:14 pm
From a Liability point of view, there are many dealers and shops that will only sell and install the stock size tires that came on the bike. So a 120/70 is all you might get from them. And there was one report I heard where insurance denied a claim or at least tried to, because the owner did not have the stock size tires on the bike.

But what happens when the Lawyers figure out tires have specs, and were installing tires on wheels that are outside the specifications. Were screwed. Its Dunlop 700/701 are the only thing that I know of that meets all 3 criteria in terms of being Radial tires, that come in the 120/70 size that fit a 3.0 inch wheel according to the tire specs.

Lawyers will be the death of us, forcing us to ride on them things.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Slybones on March 11, 2011, 04:53:08 pm
From a width point of view the tire size calulators say a 120/70 is supposed to be 4.72 inches and a 110/80 4.33 inches.
My 120/70 D205 only measured 4.45 mounted -- .27 inches
My 110/80 BT45 only measured 4.33 mounted -- right on the money


From a Diameter point of view a 127/70 is supposed to be 24.61 inches and a 110/80 24.93 inches. This is a little bit taller, but fits fine and has no clearance issues. A 130/70 Wing Tar is supposed to be 25.17 inches and we have tons of COG riders with those and have logged milliosn of miles with them. So I dont think will see much diameter issues. -- Side note from my speedo error factor from the 120/70 and 110/80 I suspect the pinching of the tire also increases the height as well as pinch the width.   
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Slybones on March 11, 2011, 04:58:06 pm
Post whore.....

Overall I dont see any real down side to switching to 110/80 other than liability issues should you get into a law suit or a scrap with your insurance company.

Although one could ask why did momma K switch from the 110/80 of the 86-93 years to the 120/70 of the 94-06 years, in the first place. Did they feel the Connie was too heavy for the narrower 110 size and go to the 120 for a wider foot print to distribute weight better.  -- I just made that up. But it is an interesting question.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Rev Ryder on March 17, 2011, 02:07:35 pm
Bones that is a good question, but remember that the OEM 120/70 Dunlop tire they went to doesn't really measure like a true 120/70 tire.  It's actually as close to the 110/80 as it is to a true 120/70.  Kinda mid-sized.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Meemuh on April 01, 2011, 12:30:18 pm
So, my dealer over here is "encouraging" me to put on a set of the OE Dunlops.  I bought mine with some well used Avons.  I'm tempted to go back to the Avons, but are the OE's junk?
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: doug on April 01, 2011, 12:59:44 pm
I just put on a second set. I got the front new/preowned for $50 so I was obligated to put on the rear as well. I liked the first set and ran them the 13,500 miles. I commute mostly flat freeway and the rear had a wide flat spot and the front had a strong center left, falling off near bald till sidewall. I had to drive it into corners but never got close to a dump on them. It depends on what you want from them. I put dynabeads in them hoping for even better wear patterning and less cupping from the front. Time will tell. Avons reportedly are better tires but wear faster.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Ranger Jim on April 01, 2011, 03:10:49 pm
I ran two sets of the OE Dunlops. They were OK at best but I didn't get great tire mileage from the (~6-7K miles/set). I went to the ME880 Metzlers in 1500 GoldWing size; got phenomenol mileage but only fair grip in the wet.  I ran two sets of them too.  Next I tried the Michelin Pilot GT in the 1500 'Wing size and ABSOLUTELY loved them. They offered grip in all conditions and very good tire mileage. Then Michelin stopped production. Bummer!  Right now I've got a set of Avon Azaro/Storm on it. I'm pretty impressed with the grip but the bike is considerably more "nervous" in dirty air (like around semi's). Fortunately I don't have to do a lot of slab riding so ... . I'm waiting to see how the mileage compares but I'm pretty sure it's going to be in the 6-7K range which is less than ideal IMO but grip vs mileage is almost always a trade-off.

Many folks report serious cupping with the OE Dunlops. I never had issue with that on my bike. YMMV.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Meemuh on April 01, 2011, 05:18:46 pm
Just ordered up a set of the Avons.  We'll see how they do.  Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Slybones on April 01, 2011, 07:06:37 pm
I'm pretty impressed with the grip but the bike is considerably more "nervous" in dirty air (like around semi's). Fortunately I don't have to do a lot of slab riding so ... .

Are you using the 120/70 size on the front?
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Ranger Jim on April 02, 2011, 01:48:31 am
Yes, my Avons are "stock" size for my 2000 C10. I attribute the "nervousness" to the more triangular profile of the tire over the more rounded profile of the Pilot GT's. I don't find it a big deal and the bike does feel more nimble; e.g. turn in is quicker and turns are easier to initiate. She's just a bit twitchy in the disturbed air around vehicles. As I said though, YMMV.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Slybones on April 02, 2011, 02:36:54 am
Having ridden on Wing Tars including a set of Pilot GT right before moving to a 120/70 sized radial on the front. I too felt the same nervous twitchy feeling with the 120/70. Switching to the 110/80 size front tire gave me the same nice feel in terms of steering input and handling, but got rid of that twitchy feeling.  I attribute more of that triangle profile to the fact the 120/70 is pinched on the 3.0" wheel. Going to the 110/80 will give the profile the design engineers intended.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: xjdaver on April 02, 2011, 10:27:53 pm
I'm having information overload reading this thread. It would be nice if we could have a survey/poll for the 3 or 4 main tire choices for handling, wet handling, stability and wear. Nevermind price.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Zorlac on April 02, 2011, 11:57:02 pm
IMO, it's a "pick two" and see how they feel and last game.  ;)
Unless you're springing for a 17" rear wheel upgrade the rear tire choices are limited.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: xjdaver on April 03, 2011, 05:34:35 pm
I'll save my money for the next bike instead of the 17" upgrade. I ordered the BT45s.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Paulie on April 04, 2011, 01:06:04 pm
I'll +1 Ranger Jim. Have also used Dunflop K491 & K177 GL1500 wang tars.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Ctchrisf on May 23, 2011, 07:43:36 pm
Dunno about anyone else but I was spinning up the rear in 3rd gear on a highway merge this morning.
on the stock dunlops ya the roads where damp but its been raining for past week figured the oil had to be washed away by now.

That got my heart pumping. please tell me the avons have a bit more stick in the wet.

Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Paulie on May 24, 2011, 01:04:51 pm
...
That got my heart pumping. please tell me the avons have a bit more stick in the wet.

Yup, they do. Glad ya didn't crash!
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Ctchrisf on May 24, 2011, 09:02:44 pm
telling me I had a semi truckin up my arse,  hence the little extra twist.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: nhyankee on June 16, 2011, 03:20:32 am
I just had another set of Avon Storm/Azaro tires put on my 1998 Concours.   This time, I had the Storm 2 front tire put on, in the 110/80x18 size instead of 120/70.   It has only been a couple hundred miles so far, but the 110/80 tire fits fine, seems to be closer to the original, "odd" 120/70 Dunlop K701 tires originally fitted, and the speedometer/odometer appear to still be pretty accurate.    I am hoping that this front tire lasts better and doesn't cup heavily like the previous 120/70 D205 Dunlop or, to a lesser extent, the Avon Storm 120/70 which were the previous (2) front tires on the bike.    I got about 7K miles out of the last set - the rear tire could have likely gone a bit more, but I just prefer the feel of fresh new tires all around when I replace them.   After reading the tech article posted on the forum, I became fairly convinced that the author(s) were on the right track about rim width and tire profile distortion.  I am thinking that the squeezed in profile from shoehorning the "normal" 120/70 tires which require a 3.5" rim width contributes to the odd wearing in, excessive turn in and cupping patterns that seems too common with them.   We'll see how things go with this "undistorted" 110/80 Avon Storm 2 on front..
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: spacesuit6 on June 21, 2011, 06:00:12 pm
I'm a Dunflop hater hater hater (yeah, that bad).  But now that I have 17" rims and can run any tire I want... I've got a set of Roadsmarts on there and I like em a lot.  Hated the 205s though... hate hate hate.  Sorry, cuppin', squarin'-off, no stickin', so and sos.   >:(

There, I feel better now.  ;)
They were MUCH better than the OEM rubber.
The Dunlop RoadSmart front tire is much better than the Dunlop D205 front tire because of the multiple compound tread.  Too bad Dunlop hasn't made a RoadSmart tire in 150/80-16.  :(

If the manufacturers decide to quit making the C10 sized tires in the near future I'm going to make a beeline to get 17" rims OR get another bike.


So I have a new Dunlop rear on the bike, I think it's a 205 -- whatever the stock tires are. Just got it last summer. Now the front has a little bit of dry rot in the center of the tread and I want to replace it. Can I run a RoadSmart front and a stock 205 rear? Would that be beneficial?
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Zorlac on June 22, 2011, 12:46:03 am
I like my 110 sized PR2 up front, best front tar yet on my C10.
The Dunlop K700 rear never really inspired much confidence.
I'll probably try out a Venom rear once I wear out my Pilot GT's assuming the bike lasts that long.  ;)
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Slybones on June 22, 2011, 04:07:27 am
I like my 110 sized PR2 up front, best front tar yet on my C10.
The Dunlop K700 rear never really inspired much confidence.
I'll probably try out a Venom rear once I wear out my Pilot GT's assuming the bike lasts that long.  ;)

So your running a PR2 Front / Pilot GT rear ?

Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Zorlac on June 23, 2011, 09:57:59 am
Yes.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Slybones on June 23, 2011, 03:48:10 pm
cool. Been thinking about a PR2 front, with a BT-45 rear. Not near as good of mileage as the Pilot GT rear, but stock size, handles well, traction, gets better mileage that an Avon Azaro and aprox $35 cheaper than the Avon, V rated bias.

But then my BT45 front is doing pretty well. Got 12K on it and its got like left in it yet. So I might just stick with that.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Slybones on June 23, 2011, 04:06:04 pm
Lately I have been thinking about this in terms of cost to go 15K miles.  Gross generalization....

With Avons you need 2 Azaro rears to 1 Storm front ( not sure of anyone is getting 15K on the Storm but its much better than the old Azaro front ). Using MS superstore thats $425 in cost. But you get radial tires, z rated, best handling and traction.

With the BT45's its still 2 to 1, rear to front but only at $318. You get V rated bias, but still has handling and traction close to the Avons.

With the Wing Tars we can get by with one set and get 20K plus for some of them. $300 a set. But now we have H rated bias, with slow steering and moderate traction.

This is where Pilot GT's were nice. 15K H rated bias, but had much better steering and good traction. At $279 a set ( or was it $259 that one time ). Why Michelin, why.

17" rear is the way to go. Now we get 1 set with 14K-15K mileage. No 2 to 1 deal. Were back down to $275-$280. And we get Z rated radials with the handling and the traction.  But costs $300-$600 to get there, depending on route taken.

At aprox $150 savings per 15K over Avons you can pay for the 17" rear in 2 sets. 30K miles.

At aprox $50 savings per 15K over BT45's 6 sets to pay for itself. 90K miles to payback.

So it all was me wondering what to try next. How serious to try and hunt down a 17" rear. Just missed one the other day on ebay. Or wait for the ever elusive Avon Storm 3 that fits our rear.

Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: BrianButler on June 28, 2011, 11:56:23 am
Don't like to see the word "elusive" preceding Avon's "Storm 3." Are there any of you out in Cogdom, who have an inside track on the release date? I just heard about this tire from Steve Smith. I could use some new treads, although the current pair is still OK. I'll (safely) hold off for a while longer if their production is imminent! I just hope that it will as good a tire as the Storm 2 and Azaro. We C10 riders need it!
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: olivr2 on June 30, 2011, 06:55:30 pm
Wow, 7 pages - it needs a summary post although Slybones is a pretty good summary.  I couldn't find the Pilot GT's so is the is Michelin Pilot Road (1, 2, or 3s) a replacement?
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: olivr2 on June 30, 2011, 07:41:09 pm
Wow, 7 pages - it needs a summary post although Slybones is a pretty good summary.  I couldn't find the Pilot GT's so is the is Michelin Pilot Road (1, 2, or 3s) a replacement?


oh, that due to no back tire for the Pilots...
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Ctchrisf on July 05, 2011, 07:13:55 pm
think the summary is.

In stock sizes
OEM or Avons

I prefer the Avon by a wide margin but that could just be old tire v new tire.  I rode the last 2k miles out of the OEMs (8 year old rubber) then 2k on new Avons.

Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: olivr2 on July 06, 2011, 12:12:21 am
well then Avon's it is
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: olivr2 on July 06, 2011, 02:38:19 pm
Might be a newbee question but what should the tire pressure be in the Avons?
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Ctchrisf on July 07, 2011, 09:00:11 pm
I stuck to the book think its 36 front 41 rear.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Greg on July 07, 2011, 11:06:08 pm
Avon radials or BT45 bias ply?

Does riding on radials have an advantage?

I like the looks of both and the feedback on the Avons.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Robert_Elliott_GA on July 07, 2011, 11:53:30 pm
I run 41 front and rear.  Less chance of cupping that way.  Have a TPS system and on a really hot day after a high speed run on the highway, get up to a max of 45 in the front and 43 in the rear. 
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Slybones on July 08, 2011, 06:40:40 pm
Avon radials or BT45 bias ply?

Does riding on radials have an advantage?

I like the looks of both and the feedback on the Avons.

Short answer is yes to Radials. Bias ply are old skool.

Short answer to Avons or BT45's its, its up to YOUR priorities. What is right for YOU.

Having said that I am probably sticking with BT-45's, a bias ply tire.  Thinking of the same groups of tires I mentioned above and plotting them on a line I would put ME880 type Wing Tires on one end, with Avons on the other ened. I would put Pilot GT Wing Tires ( not longer available ) in the middle.  Having personally used K700/701, ME880's, Pilot GT's, D205's and BT45's I would plot the BT45s down on the performance end near the Avons. I have not used the Avons, but I have used the D205 High Performance Z rated Radial tires.  BT45's are down on this end if the spectrum.  I would still give the edge to the Avons simply because they are Z rated radials versus V rated bias. But in the overall plot were drawing the BT45s are on this end right behind them versus down where the Pilot GT's are, and no where near where the ME880's are.

To that end, are you willing to spend a little more and slightly less tire life to push a bit further up the graph. Or is spending a little less and getting 1-2K better mileage worth being a bit lower on the graph.

For me I ride like an old grandpa so I can give up the slight performance loss to save money and gain a extra K or two before having to change out the short lived rear tires. An still use tires on this end of the spectum. -- I would consider going back to a Wing tire if there were any that matched up to the Pilot GT. This is where I draw the line on the graph. I will not go back to an ME880 type Wing tire. That includes Dunlop Elite 3 and a few others I have ridden on fellow COG members bikes.  -- I wish I knew where the Avon Venoms were on that scale. I have yet to read a Venom versus GT comparison.

So for now its BT-45 for me.

And one more plug for the 17" rear. As this opens up a modern set of matched tires that pushes our scale we just made to a new level, with Avons ( Storm / Azaro combo ) no longer being head of the list.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Greg on July 08, 2011, 07:00:37 pm
thanks for that.  I have the k701/k700 on the bike now.  If the BT-45 is a better handling tire, that is all i need. I like the curvies, but i won't be dragging pegs anytime soon. 
Title: Re: Worthwhile Storm 2 / Azaro ST info... received directly from Avon.
Post by: BamaCOGer on July 20, 2011, 09:56:42 pm
While it would be nice to have matched pairs more readily available, it looks like the slim choices will continue for the C10. Heard back from Kevin Corbett, a "Technical Service Representative" from Avon. The Storm 2/Azaro ST combination is their sole recommendation for the C10, further stating that they "will not cause any performance issues when used on the same bike." Tire pressure should be 36psi front /42psi rear for solo riding , and 38psi front /45psi rear for two-up riding. Hope the rest of you find this info useful.

I am now running the Avon unmatched pair as recommended by Avon above.  I love the way they handle.  Not mileage data yet.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: WillyP on July 21, 2011, 04:38:56 pm
Hey, the front and rear or the bike handle differently anyway, so maybe we need mismatched tires to get the best out of each anyway.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Tarotsaki on July 30, 2011, 04:02:15 am
  Well, for what it's worth...  In July 2011...
When I went to get new tires, my dealership said the AVON STORMS were discontinued.   His distributor recommended the AVON tire ROADRIDER, which I bought.  The 110/80 cost me $136.00 and the 150/80 cost me $180.00.  So far so good.  Enjoy the Ride.  Dennis    8)
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: smithr1 on August 01, 2011, 04:18:37 pm
My tire guy tried to pull that Storm not available crap on me also.  I told him that where ever he heard that it was not true.  He called back and said he had them on the way.  Someone must have printed a bad catalog.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Zorlac on August 04, 2011, 08:56:56 am
I need a tire guy, so they just appear with more rubber, maybe more like a tire elf.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: WillyP on August 04, 2011, 11:41:31 am
Yrs, but then they leave... with your pot 'o gold...  :rotflmao:
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: jim on August 29, 2011, 03:01:52 pm
I just mounted a Shinko 777 rear tire.  I can tell already that it has more traction than the K701 it replaced and surprisingly the wiggle over rain grooves is gone.  I always thought it was the front tire that caused that.  I have only about 400 miles on it, but I can guess it will last as least as long as the Dunlop that I removed that was worn at 5K.  It was very affordable too.  I still have a K700 on the front and even though mixing radial and bias are supposed to be forbidden, the bike is handling great.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Greg on August 29, 2011, 03:51:30 pm
My new Avon's arrive today.  I can't wait.  I'm concerned i won't notice a difference. 

However, yesterday's ride (290 miles of twisties) didn't feel right.  I stopped and verified tire pressures even.  The bike didn't feel sure footed at all.  I have 700/701 (OEM's) on it, and they are at the TWI's.  Front is mildly cupped, and on the 'lows', it is bald.  I knew this was the last ride on the tires, and it grew into more of a ride (miles wise) than intended. 

Will the Sport2/AV46 feel more stout in the corners? More confidence inspiring?  I love the bike, and can't wait for next weekend's ride. ;)
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: WillyP on August 29, 2011, 04:02:49 pm
Comparing my '88 with the wing sized Pilot GTs, and the '01 with the Avons. While the Pilots provide a smooth steady ride, gliding effortlessly over tar snakes, cracks, mismatched pavement heights and corner smooth and competently, the Avons take 100 pounds off the bike.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Slybones on August 29, 2011, 11:23:53 pm
Comparing my '88 with the wing sized Pilot GTs, and the '01 with the Avons. While the Pilots provide a smooth steady ride, gliding effortlessly over tar snakes, cracks, mismatched pavement heights and corner smooth and competently, the Avons take 100 pounds off the bike.

The same improvement in steering effort and light steering I got going from Pilot GT's to the D205's and BT45's is about the same improvement I got when going from  ME880's to Pilot GT's.  Back in the day before the GT's and ME880's were the thing for Wing Tars, people who went from the Avons to the 880's direction musta really been in for a shock.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Rev Ryder on September 02, 2011, 03:55:42 am
My new Avon's arrive today.  I can't wait.  I'm concerned i won't notice a difference. 

However, yesterday's ride (290 miles of twisties) didn't feel right.  I stopped and verified tire pressures even.  The bike didn't feel sure footed at all.  I have 700/701 (OEM's) on it, and they are at the TWI's.  Front is mildly cupped, and on the 'lows', it is bald.  I knew this was the last ride on the tires, and it grew into more  Uh huh
Will the Sport2/AV46 feel more stout in the corners? More confidence inspiring?  I love the bike, and can't wait for next weekend's ride. ;)
Dude, they are going to feel so good you;re not gonna think you need to take it easy and break em in... but do give them a chance to get scrubbed in before you go completely nuts on em.  I know you're gonna want to.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Greg on September 02, 2011, 04:44:38 am
They are on, and feel WAY different.  Fighting a decel wobble at this point.  Not bad enough i will give up the tires, but i'm at a little over 100 miles on them, and starting to narrow up the chicken strips.

 :))
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: WillyP on September 02, 2011, 06:11:13 pm
Have you tried tightening the head stem bearing?
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Greg on September 02, 2011, 06:32:55 pm
cleaned and adjusted it last night.  Haven't ridden it yet.  In about 3 hours i'll take it for a test loop.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: cra-z1000 on September 14, 2011, 04:24:21 pm
I've got a set of the Avon roadriders on my 87 . So far so good but I don't get much twisty experience here in Dfw . Not much here but straight lines and huge potholes !  :'(
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: smithr1 on September 14, 2011, 05:27:46 pm
I've got a set of the Avon roadriders on my 87 . So far so good but I don't get much twisty experience here in Dfw . Not much here but straight lines and huge potholes !  :'(
So DFW has not changed much.  I was on I 20 between DnF in 1976 the year I got my drivers license.  It was my first drive in DFW rush hour traffic.  That means you are either stopped or doing 85mph bumper to bumper.  We were doing the 85 when a pot hole the size of a VW bug appeared in my lane.  No way to miss it and not hit another car so woooopydooo.   Hey I survived.   Had another pot hole on the same stretch bust a rim a few years later.  I gave up and moved.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Mach1charlie on September 23, 2011, 10:28:27 pm
love my kenda kruse 160/80 110/90. have 9k on em, looks like they will go 12-15k. sure footed in the rain and I have leaned em over so far in the twisties, I wear the front "nubs" off the bags. About $150 for the pair.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Zorlac on September 23, 2011, 11:57:48 pm
"About $150 for the pair."

Eat your heart's out Avonites.  :nananana:
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: doug on October 05, 2011, 09:01:35 am
After 27+K in my first year and being down to first layer peal off (and with an inspection nearing with my 1st year anniversary) on my second set of Dunlop 700/701's I just placed an order for the Avon Venom AM41 and AM42 bias set. I wore the first set out in the middle rear and had lots of cupping on the front. Being a commuter in DFW I ran both sets down to nuthin!
The second set went on with MBREWS help and with dyna beads for ballancing. 1oz front 2oz's rear. I really like the beads and although the second set got much more aggressive action and 3 good distance runs they lasted about the same so I count that as a reccomendation FOR the beads. I did wear out much more of the sides both front and rear now that I am comfortable on the bike. I am soon to move to Texarkana as a great job opportunity has surfaced. My commute of 100 miles + daily across DFW will be transformed into a weekend dash to our Mansfield home (250ish 1 way) where Kitty will be finishing school for the next 10 months and a monthly run to Hot Springs Village to visit Mom. ( the main reason for a relocation) I hope to stay in the 25,000 mile yearly area but will add some twisted diversions to the mix! Better mileage and handling from the GL1500 sized Avons is my hope and the future will tell for sure! ;) I will try and post thoughts on the Avons as I can.

(corrected yearly to 25,000) I am at nearly 25K since I got the bike Oct 25th last year.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Daytona_Mike on October 05, 2011, 10:45:27 pm
Is there any news about the  Avon Ultra Storm II being released in a 16" Connie size.  I have a few friends waiting for that tire. I do not think there are any available tires in a dual compound radial  that fit the stock rim.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Greg on October 06, 2011, 12:17:05 am
I thought the Bridgestone BT45 was a dual compound tire?  it is a Bias tire however.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Slybones on October 06, 2011, 01:03:59 am
BT45 rear is dual compound. And correct, its a bias ply tire.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: JC on October 19, 2011, 02:43:31 am
I was looking at a Avon Venoms 130/70-18 front and a 160/80-16 rear. Basically 1 size larger on front and rear. Will this work? I'll be pulling a small trailer.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: doug on October 23, 2011, 11:44:33 pm
I just put a set on with help from a twt/cog wrench get together. I transfered the Dynabeads to the Venoms from the 2nd set of Dunlop 700/701 and at first the bike felt somewhat "bulkier" feeling but I mostly am commuting flatlander. I am in Texarkana now and will be riding around in the area as a "casual" rider. I went with the 1500 'wing size to get commute comfort and the Venoms to put a sport capeable feel to it. The more I ride it the better it feels. I was lucky to have a lift with a pull out rear tireplate. The tires are a bit 'thicker' going in and it may be tough just put on centerstands. A good heavy pull with some clutch slip and 2nd pulled the front off a bit while the Dunlops would have broken loose.  :motonoises: I think... er.. I was told!  :(
The two dunlop sets gave me 13.5K and 14K but I ran them to far end of thin. I hope for a bit more on these but the roads are a bit curvier and I may just spread the wear patterns out a bit.  8)
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: GTRinFL on November 02, 2011, 03:08:10 am
http://www.shinkotireusa.com/product/product.php?id=72 (http://www.shinkotireusa.com/product/product.php?id=72)  rear 160/80

http://www.shinkotireusa.com/product/product.php?id=70 (http://www.shinkotireusa.com/product/product.php?id=70)   front 120/70
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Zorlac on November 02, 2011, 09:27:28 am
[url]http://www.shinkotireusa.com/product/product.php?id=72[/url] ([url]http://www.shinkotireusa.com/product/product.php?id=72[/url])  rear 160/80
Thanks for the heads up on that potential rear tar!
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: wild man on November 02, 2011, 10:56:20 am
I've been waiting on those Shinkos since last year ???
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: GTRinFL on November 02, 2011, 01:44:50 pm
I've been waiting on those Shinkos since last year ???
So, we ride second best tires, or worse?  You'd think a 20 year production would have more selection.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: smithr1 on November 04, 2011, 07:02:40 pm
I've been waiting on those Shinkos since last year ???
So, we ride second best tires, or worse?  You'd think a 20 year production would have more selection.
It did in its heyday I expect but now it is just a 20 year old and out of production design.  We are quickly going to go from Classic Concours to Antique Concours
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Cap'n Bob on November 04, 2011, 07:11:17 pm
I've been waiting on those Shinkos since last year ???
So, we ride second best tires, or worse?  You'd think a 20 year production would have more selection.
It did in its heyday I expect but now it is just a 20 year old and out of production design.  We are quickly going to go from Classic Concours to Antique Concours

If you go on the assumption of an antique being 25 years old. And with the 2012 C14's now out. My 86 C10 would be an antique now!   :o
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Rev Ryder on November 04, 2011, 10:04:42 pm
I've been waiting on those Shinkos since last year ???
So, we ride second best tires, or worse?  You'd think a 20 year production would have more selection.
It did in its heyday I expect but now it is just a 20 year old and out of production design.  We are quickly going to go from Classic Concours to Antique Concours


If you go on the assumption of an antique being 25 years old. And with the 2012 C14's now out. My 86 C10 would be an antique now!   :o

EH, SONNY?  WHAT'D YOU SAYYYYY?   :sign0151:
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Eaglenva on November 07, 2011, 05:54:00 pm
I dont know what best but i HATE the Dunlops i got this year, feels wiggly at highway speeds.  at first stopped more than once to check tire pressure.  to get a good ride i must run them about 5#'s over stock rating when cold. cant wait to wear them out.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Slybones on November 07, 2011, 07:43:13 pm
What Dunlops did you get? The original K700/K701 are like that to many. The D205's which were the hi-perf Z rated models, were generally a lot better in the handling department. I think they stopped making the D205 rear in the C10 size.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: CRocker on November 07, 2011, 08:21:46 pm
I've been waiting on those Shinkos since last year ???
So, we ride second best tires, or worse?  You'd think a 20 year production would have more selection.
It did in its heyday I expect but now it is just a 20 year old and out of production design.  We are quickly going to go from Classic Concours to Antique Concours

If you go on the assumption of an antique being 25 years old. And with the 2012 C14's now out. My 86 C10 would be an antique now!   :o

WOW!  Kinda scary going with that assumption...what does that make us? :))
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: CRocker on November 07, 2011, 08:35:33 pm
Shinko 160/80R16 rear with 8000 miles on it...
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: smithr1 on November 07, 2011, 09:05:40 pm
Not sure if these guys base their limits on some standard or not but they say an antique motorcycle is 35 years old or older.  We are getting close but no cigar.
www.antiquemotorcycle.org (http://www.antiquemotorcycle.org)
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: ron203 on November 07, 2011, 09:35:07 pm


WOW!  Kinda scary going with that assumption...what does that make us? :))
[/quote]

I believe the term is "antiquarians." People who study history with a particular emphasis on things of art or science from the past.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: CRocker on November 07, 2011, 10:11:47 pm


WOW!  Kinda scary going with that assumption...what does that make us? :))

I believe the term is "antiquarians." People who study history with a particular emphasis on things of art or science from the past.
[/quote]

I like that!
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: SmokinRZ on November 10, 2011, 02:59:41 pm
Metzler ME880 and Z6 in stock sizes.  Mostly interstate droning in good (warm) weather.  No commuting.  Sticks well enough for my pace on unfamiliar twisties hundreds of miles from home.  Wearing two fronts (edges) to one rear.  Might try BT45 or Shinko next time, then again I might just stick to what i'm familiar with.  Would love to try the Avons but I don't like the expense and inconvenience of new tires every trip.  As a sportbike owner for two decades, I think back on all the trips I missed because I couldn't afford new tires and I could kick myself  >:(  I still own a ZX10R but it never leaves the county I live in unless it's in the back of my truck.         
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Sirius Scratch on November 14, 2011, 09:23:19 pm
Seems the most relevant to post my comments here.  Attached are pictures of the dreaded 880s that everyone speaks of disparagingly. :32:  This was the rear tire I was on when I dropped the bike in a twisty at/under 20mph on a cold, dry day.  Tires were hot, or at least warm,  as I was traveling with a group on a set of twisty roads working on "pivot steering" techniques.  I was third behind a guy on a new C14 and another guy on a sport bike.  They made the curve fine.  I did not. :-[

I ride in the Pacific Northwest where even your leisurely town ride is on a twisty road, AND, we have to contend with a significant amount of wet roads, acres of green bike lane paint, and more manhole/drain access covers than you could imagine which are deadly in the wet.

I would not recommend that you wait until your rear tire is in the shape mine is in.  I have reached that age where close up observation is problematic without "cheaters", and I will attribute at least part of the condition of my tire to that issue.  The pictures are the result of my discovery of the bad tire condition because I spent a lot of up close time with Connie changing oil this weekend.  Since we have now entered the "dark days" of Portland living, I had about 400K candlepower going to light the way and provide warmth.  The copious amount of light made the tire condition sort of jump out at me.

I've been noticing some squirrely handling lately..........no dang wonder!

Based on observations here, I believe I'll be getting the Avon combination, Azara rear first and soon!

Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Rev Ryder on November 17, 2011, 04:31:25 pm
Not sure if these guys base their limits on some standard or not but they say an antique motorcycle is 35 years old or older.  We are getting close but no cigar.
[url=http://www.antiquemotorcycle.org]www.antiquemotorcycle.org[/url] ([url]http://www.antiquemotorcycle.org[/url])

au contraire mon frer
I reckon those guys can base their limits on any standard they want, after all, they're justa buncha yankees. ~duck~   >:D

But here in the great state of Texas (the capital of which Bob resides in  :nananana: ) an Antique Automobile is any vehicle over 25 years of age.  You can purchase ANTIQUE license plates for your C-10 over 25 years old, but there are restrictions to these plates. The purchase of antique plates gets you cheaper insurance and cheaper registration fees and taxes, but mainly because it also limits severely the road use of said vehicle.  Here's the skinny.

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Antique Plates
The Texas Department of Motor Vehicles (TxDMV) has two types of plates available specifically for older vehicles.

Antique plates are for vehicles at least 25 years old that are used strictly for antique exhibitions, parades, and related activities. (Occasional trips to the repair shop are permitted.)

Only one antique plate per vehicle is issued. To apply for the plate, complete the antique application form and bring it or mail it to your local county tax office. The plate cannot be personalized.

The plate is valid in five-year increments. For vehicles built before 1921, the yearly fee is $8, while it's $10 per year for vehicles manufactured after that. Local additional fees may apply.   Find full information here.  (https://rts.texasonline.state.tx.us/NASApp/txdotrts/SpecialPlateOrderServlet?grpid=10&pltid=1)

Classic plates are also for vehicles that are at least 25 years old. However, vehicles with these plates may be used for routine transportation.

Complete the classic plate form to apply for the plates, and bring it or mail it to your local county tax office.

The plates carry an annual fee of $15, and may be personalized for an extra $40. However, local additional fees may apply.   Find full information here.  (https://rts.texasonline.state.tx.us/NASApp/txdotrts/SpecialPlateOrderServlet?grpid=10&pltid=1)
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: cra-z1000 on November 17, 2011, 04:48:39 pm
Ill be replacing my avon roadrirers with avon roadriders . Stick like glue.....no wobble at all . 6000 miles on em and still look great !
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: wild man on November 17, 2011, 07:22:16 pm
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Attached are pictures of the dreaded 880s that everyone speaks of disparagingly

Wow

I've worn through 4 sets of 880's, wing sized no less, and they've never looked like that ???
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Dave Scott on November 17, 2011, 07:41:55 pm
Yeah, that's pretty unusual based on my experiences.  I've run 880s before and never had that problem.  that sure is a nasty looking tire though.   ???
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: rick3foxes on November 17, 2011, 10:55:42 pm
The tires on the Connie I just bought are both badly cupped as well (Not as bad as those).
But mine are Avon Azaro tires. :-\

I'm not sure what I'll replace them with, but I know it WON'T be Avons.  ::)

Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Redbarron on November 26, 2011, 11:16:26 am
Any thoughts on the ability to a set of Bridgestone S11 Spitfires

110 90 18 front
140 90 16 rear

Thank You Guys :beerchug:
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Daytona_Mike on December 16, 2011, 03:46:17 am
The tires on the Connie I just bought are both badly cupped as well (Not as bad as those).
But mine are Avon Azaro tires. :-\

I'm not sure what I'll replace them with, but I know it WON'T be Avons.  ::)
Tires are cupped because of poor maintenance and low tire pressure and  never the fault of the very best tires you can put on a stock C10.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: 2linby on December 16, 2011, 05:37:15 am
The tires on the Connie I just bought are both badly cupped as well (Not as bad as those).
But mine are Avon Azaro tires. :-\

I'm not sure what I'll replace them with, but I know it WON'T be Avons.  ::)

Tires are cupped because of poor maintenance and low tire pressure and  never the fault of the very best tires you can put on a stock C10.


Wow!  Now that's a ringing endorsement (opinion) of Avons.

Personally IMHO and after three sets of AVONS I can say they handled excellent. They have excellent wet weather grip. They have excellent dry weather grip. They are quiet and they wear out way too freaking fast!  The rears (actual I've had four rear Avons) all have squared off to the point they are no longer safe, nor responsive and this after 5K mileage. Again this has been my experience and yours may have been different. And again IMHO the Michelin 100X were the best tire for the Concours. But regretable they are no longer made.

This being said.  While I agree tire pressure has adverse effects on tire wear and potentially a contributing cause to the syndrome we call "cupping", there is certainly more to this condition than just low tire pressure.

In the attached link there is a nice article which addresses some of these "other" causes. http://www.rattlebars.com/tirewear/index.html (http://www.rattlebars.com/tirewear/index.html)

Again, I am not a tire expert and have never professed as such, but I really think the primary cause of front tire "cupping" is a  combination of softer compound tire rubber, compliance to factory recommended tire pressures, a heavy front end and a weak front suspension.

My K700's cupped, my D205's cupped, my Avon Azaro's cupped and yes my Michelin 89X, 90X and 100X cupped. The latter three less than the former three, but they all cupped. Increasing tire pressures to 39-41 PSI depending on the tire have reduced cupping but never totally eliminated it.  So far my "new" Roadsmart does not show signs of cupping with 3k on them (we'll see in a couple more thousand miles).

 


Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: ChipDoc on December 16, 2011, 08:30:39 am
I'm currently on my 4th Connie (there will be a fifth!) and I've run lots of different tires over the years.  Choosing tires is an exercise in compromise and each of us picks the characteristcs which work best with our riding style.

I live in Florida (11 curves in 318 miles!) so tearing through the twisties isn't a big priority for me.  In fact, having tires with great hold in the turns isn't an issue even when I head for the mountains, since my bike-handling skills aren't attuned to that sort of riding in the first place.  What keeps me alive is knowing my limits and enjoying myself within them.  That guy who wrote "The Pace" hit it right on the head.

But what I do is ride a LOT.  The last car I owned is over ten years in the past; Connie is my basic transportation.  What I'm looking for in a tire is LONG mileage; if I were getting five or six thousand miles out of a tire, I'd be replacing them every other month.

So I've experimented with lots of touring tires - Dunlop Elite2 and Elite3, Bridgestone Battlax, Michelin Pilot Road, and others I can't remember just now.  The one which works best for me is the Metzler 880.  They give me between twenty and twenty five thousand miles and feel great.  That hard compound in the middle keeps the tires round right up to the end of their useful life.  No problems with cupping on the front either, though this is probably more due to my habit of keeping them aired up.  They stick well in the wet and are steady in tight turns.  They work best for the type of riding I do.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: wild man on December 16, 2011, 05:23:22 pm
Hey ChipDoc

Do I read your signature line correctly, 106K in 2001 and 112K the following year? I think you'd give Don Ricks a run for his money.  Last I heard he turned over 500K on the Concours though I think it took him 15 years or so and three bikes.   
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Rev Ryder on December 16, 2011, 05:29:03 pm
The tires on the Connie I just bought are both badly cupped as well (Not as bad as those).
But mine are Avon Azaro tires. :-\

I'm not sure what I'll replace them with, but I know it WON'T be Avons.  ::)

Tires are cupped because of poor maintenance and low tire pressure and  never the fault of the very best tires you can put on a stock C10.


Wow!  Now that's a ringing endorsement (opinion) of Avons.

Personally IMHO and after three sets of AVONS I can say they handled excellent. They have excellent wet weather grip. They have excellent dry weather grip. They are quiet and they wear out way too freaking fast!  The rears (actual I've had four rear Avons) all have squared off to the point they are no longer safe, nor responsive and this after 5K mileage. Again this has been my experience and yours may have been different. And again IMHO the Michelin 100X were the best tire for the Concours. But regretable they are no longer made.

This being said.  While I agree tire pressure has adverse effects on tire wear and potentially a contributing cause to the syndrome we call "cupping", there is certainly more to this condition than just low tire pressure.

In the attached link there is a nice article which addresses some of these "other" causes. [url]http://www.rattlebars.com/tirewear/index.html[/url] ([url]http://www.rattlebars.com/tirewear/index.html[/url])

Again, I am not a tire expert and have never professed as such, but I really think the primary cause of front tire "cupping" is a  combination of softer compound tire rubber, compliance to factory recommended tire pressures, a heavy front end and a weak front suspension.

My K700's cupped, my D205's cupped, my Avon Azaro's cupped and yes my Michelin 89X, 90X and 100X cupped. The latter three less than the former three, but they all cupped. Increasing tire pressures to 39-41 PSI depending on the tire have reduced cupping but never totally eliminated it.  So far my "new" Roadsmart does not show signs of cupping with 3k on them (we'll see in a couple more thousand miles).


As much as it might scare Bob for me to agree with him  ;D, I largely do on this topic.  Avons are very excellent gripping tires in nearly all riding conditions and yes, they do wear a bit faster than anyone wants them to (most often grip IS closely associated to wear. When one goes up, the other goes down).

I also agree the Mac X100 was probably the best all around rear tire for the COnnie.  It rivaled the Avon for dry grip, probably was BETTER in the wet, and outlasted it by about 50% in my experience. 

And I too generally cup every tire ever produced that I have tried and I've tried a LOT of em of both bias and radial construction.  Being a heavy trail braker I tend to mess em up quickly... and I ALWAYS ride on properly inflated tires cuz I hate to fall off any more than I already do.  It's been MY experience that the worst cupping tires I've had have been the harder compounds I have tried. Like the OE Dunlops, the Dunlop 205s, Michelin Pilot Roads, etc.  Maybe that's cuz they just last more miles.  I rarely wear one of these front tires completely out simply because they get so nasty riding I pitch them with a lot of tread left.  One thing I liked about the Avons was that I'd kill the front and rear pretty much about the same time so I replaced them as a set.  Bad thing was that happened about every 3-4000 miles.  I now have almost 6k on my Roadsmarts and they are still "ridable" and appear to have maybe 20% tread left.  The front IS cupped, but not too horribly, the rear IS flatted, but I generally file them back into round anyway.  I may get 7000 miles or even 7500 out of them which for me is amazing.  Sadly, I'm just not sold on their grip, they DO NOT inspire confidence at speed so these will not be purchased again methinks.

In any case, 2linby apparently likes his tires like I do... between me and terra firma and thus I endorse his selctions and join him in lamenting the loss of the Macadam 100X rears... the ONLY Mac this boy will EVER endorse.   :D
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: ChipDoc on December 16, 2011, 06:54:42 pm
Do I read your signature line correctly, 106K in 2001 and 112K the following year? I think you'd give Don Ricks a run for his money.  Last I heard he turned over 500K on the Concours though I think it took him 15 years or so and three bikes.

Oh you read it correctly, Bill.  The fault is mine for not being a bit more clear.

I rode back in college in the 70s.  I was a Fightin' Blue Hen from the University of Delaware where the weather was nice most of the year and the winters were miserable - cold and wet, but not really cold enough to snow most of the time.  My college sweetheart and I got married, moved to Tampa, and raised a family and motorcycling was a pleasant memory.  In a fit of midlife crisis (and once the kids were old enough to ride pillion) I decided I wanted bikes to be a part of my life again and picked up an 86 Honda Shadow VT1100 in August of 2000.  The Shadow was a great bike, but after I'd put 80,000 miles on her it occurred to me that it wasn't actually designed well for the type of riding that I did and I started looking for something called a "sport-tourer".

I was looking at the BMW RT1100, the Honda ST1100, and such when a 2000 Concours showed up on consignment at my local shop.  I bought her and fell in love.  She was practically brand new and I rode the heck out of her until I encountered a 2001 Concours which was just TOO good a deal to pass up.  I rode that one for three years, but when the odometer went over 100,000 miles I started looking for another.  Since Connie was my primary (in fact, only) transportation, I really didn't need to be worrying about reliability issues.

So I started browsing through CycleTrader (http://www.cycletrader.com/find/) and found a really sweet 02 Connie in Florence, SC.  In a nice bit of synchronicity, I happened to have a good friend who was also a rider living in Florence at the time.  I called Steve and asked him to go take a look at this thing.  It turns out the guy lived just three blocks away!  So I took the train, Steve picked me up at the train station and we went right over.  I took a test drive, gave him cash, signed the papers, and headed home down I-95 the next morning.  That was in 2007 and I've been riding it ever since.

Well, until recently when I started to have electrical problems with her.  So this past October I picked up an 04 Connie.  I've just this past week passed the point where the 04 has has MORE THAN 100,000 FEWER MILES than the 02.

When I bought them, only the 02 had more than 10k miles on the clock.  The 02 had 13k; the 01 had only 800 miles.  So almost all of the miles any of those bikes had on them were ones where I was sitting astride.   But it's taken me several years each to rack those miles up.  I've ridden only about 300,000 miles in the last eleven years, so I suspect that I'm no real threat to Don Ricks' record.  Particularly now that money's so tight - I haven't been able to take vacations for the past three years, so my yearly mileage is down to about 20k these days.  At least the new bike will probably last a bit longer!
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: McJamie on February 16, 2012, 03:06:46 am
First post, new guy.
Just bought a 99 with lots of miles, but well looked after. It needs tires. My brother ( from another mother, and fellow member of the Society of Motorcycle Loogans), recommended the Avons and a few other forums rate them pretty high too. Lots of not very nice things about the Metzlers, but what surprised me was the Bridgestone BT45's. I've used them on lots of other bike with  great success, I just didn't think they came in the appropriate sizes for the C10. If they are, that seems like the most cost effective option, while still getting lots of grip. Although, they are bias-ply, not radials which may or may not be an issue. So who has the BT45's, and how long do they last?
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Slybones on February 16, 2012, 03:23:42 am
I changed my BT45 front at 16K and it was not at the wear bars. However others report 14K for the front. So somewhere in that range. Aprox 10K typical for the rear of BT-45.

As for size get the BT-45 in the 110/80-18 for the front, and for the rear they stock 150/80-16. Yes the 110/80 fits the later model front. Its actually the right size, IE the proper fit according to the specs.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Roncours on February 16, 2012, 04:11:21 am
Has anyone experienced an Avon Azaro tire failure? I'll explain why I think I had one.

Thanks to Chip in FL for mentioning the Metzeler 880s. I've run those on my Beemers & they do last. HOWEVER, I bought my '01 in '08 when it only had ~1300 miles on it. When I replaced the original tires in Nov 2010, I got the Avons (Storm 2 Ultra on front, Azaro on rear). Unfortunately, the rear went flat on me a couple of weeks ago on my way home from a weekend ride. I'm convinced the tire failed internally rather than being punctured.

I don't know the actual mileage on the tire at the time, but they still looked virtually new (maybe 2k miles on them) & I checked the pressure before riding. I had ridden quite a bit of freeway the day before, then mostly curvy hills the next day until hitting the freeway for home. After about an hour or two mostly at 80mph the bike began to feel "wiggly" when I got into the backdraft of big trucks. It didn't occur to me I might have a low tire.

At a rest stop I just happened to notice how low the rear looked so I checked the pressure: 4.5psi! It took a long time to find the (first) leak, at which I could only see what looked like a fine silver "hair" sticking out of the middle of the tread. I've plugged tires before & it's usually tough to ram that plug into a small hole. In this case it went in like butter but didn't seal the tire -- neither did adding 2 more plugs. Then I located a 2nd leak between the 1st & the edge of the tread. At that point I knew I wouldn't be riding on that tire again.

I replaced it with another Azaro, but I talked with a friend who had had a tire (Bridgestone) fail on a freeway ride & he noted several tiny "hairs" sticking out of his in a line across the tread. In his case he said it was steel belt fibers. An Avon rep claimed he couldn't see evidence that my tire failed. (The store still had the carcass, but I live too far away to check it myself.) I'm convinced it did based on what looked like a fiber (Aramid?) sticking OUT of the tire, the looseness of the tire material around the tiny hole, and a 2nd virtually invisible leak on a horizontal line across the tire. No object was found inside the tire, either.

I hope it was a fluke & this Azaro lasts longer on the highway.

Ron
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Mickey on March 05, 2012, 06:33:39 pm
Anybody ever rode with Pirelli Sport Demon tires? Pros? Cons?
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Rev Ryder on March 06, 2012, 12:01:46 pm
Anybody ever rode with Pirelli Sport Demon tires? Pros? Cons?
THey are a very grippy bias tire.  I have run a couple of sets, prefered the Avons and went back to them.  However, this set of tire will do a great job.  Takes a few minutes for them to smooth out (warm up) but then they ride almost as good as anything out there.  A soft compound makes them a bit short lived though.  But they are a viable alternative for the C-10.  I also have these on mama's Magna to be sure she has some stick.  They make her cruiser vary capable in the twisties.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: connie_rider on March 06, 2012, 01:23:39 pm
I use the Avons on my C-10. (AV-45 or Storm Ultra and Azaro AV-46)
Got a hell-of-a good deal on a new AV-46 Rear from Murph last week.

I know that Murph also has Avon Road Riders (AM-26) in stock. (Belted)
I looked at them. Look good! They appear to have the same tread pattern as the Avon Radials.
I have not seen the Roadriders discussed. Has anyone used these?

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: shooter on March 07, 2012, 04:18:12 am
If I go with the Avon Viper venoms, what size fronr and rear will I need to fit an 06 model? Hate to sound like a dumdass but all I can get from the local shops around here is them pushing what they have in stock. Appreciate any info and also any suggestions on where to order them from. Thanks, Holeshot 308 :motonoises:
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: chuckersconnie on March 11, 2012, 07:56:20 pm
I notice the BT45 has siping that runs aroung the perimeter of the tire.  Has anyone who uses them ever had problems with the tires "hunting" in grooved pavement.  The 205's did and they have much the same configuration.  The Avon Storm doesn't twitch in this scenario at all.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: motovetro on March 19, 2012, 04:16:39 pm
 I've used Dunlops for years, getting a lot of half-price deals and free mounting from shops. But when that went away I sprung(on sale) for Avon's. Broke them in on the Volcano run years back, great tires for the bike. As far as cupping I usually run at 38psi or so, the bike tends to cup even close to 36, quicker when below. True they wear in the middle some but if you keep the bike leaned over more the edges will scuff in in nicely. I'm waiting for Kar Tyre Dan to come up with a matched set so I can head down to Les Swab and get a set with Free Beef!
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: motonerd14 on March 30, 2012, 04:31:48 pm
Anybody ever rode with Pirelli Sport Demon tires? Pros? Cons?

I had a set of these in 2010. Lasted about 3500 miles and the rear was toast. Sticky, but headshake and poor mileage (bad wet weather issue was the Metzelers. My memory ain't what it used to be...) made me not go back.

So far, I've run the following:

D205s: liked them, shame they discontinued these...

K701/K700: Still like these the best. They just work for my riding style, I guess.

Avon Storm/Azaro combo: Had two sets, bike always felt like it was riding on marbles. The Azaro I just pulled from the rear had started de-laminating, and appears to have shifted a belt. Very poor quality, IMHO, which is a shame, because in the turns, they made the bike feel like it was riding on rails.

Metzler ME880s: Dangerous, slippery, JUNK! I had these for, I kid you not, 1000 miles, and took them off. Just terrible.

Shinko 777 rear with K701 front: Nice combo for the pinch I was in. Needed a rear fast and local shop had this. It worked pretty well. Rode all through Québec with this setup, I liked it.

Bridgestone BT-45V: Only had these for about 100 miles. So far, they feel a little squirrely, but that could be they're not fully scrubbed in just yet. Seem to ride better than any of the previous sets, with the exception of the D205. Smooth ride, less susceptible to bad air from trucks. They like to lean, best I can tell.

I either need to go the 17" wheel route, or look into a C14. Not sure about money just yet, so time will tell.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: motovetro on April 02, 2012, 01:33:58 am
 I've never had that many problems with tires. My 1st set was 701's. Ran a ton of 205's and 220's until about 90k and they have done fine, could always use more tire life but much better than 4k. Every now and then one has to look for a new tire because the manufacturers discontinue them. I do use all my tire when I get the chance to get it over. Washington has a cooler and wetter climate and I avoid straight roads. I am considering another set of Avon's if I don't find something better, running Pilot Roads on my FZ-1. I have another 1-2k to think it over.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: motonerd14 on April 09, 2012, 03:30:43 am
I notice the BT45 has siping that runs aroung the perimeter of the tire.  Has anyone who uses them ever had problems with the tires "hunting" in grooved pavement.  The 205's did and they have much the same configuration.  The Avon Storm doesn't twitch in this scenario at all.

I've now got 850 miles on a set of these, and I'm going to retract my previous statement that they like to lean.

They do, in fact, like to slip and then lean. That siping on the sides causes them to follow every groove, crack and rut in pavement. Never, in 40,000+ miles on this bike, have I had a set of tyres that I so adamantly hated.

Furthermore, I'd add that these are outright dangerous when very cold. Other night I had to run a few errands, decided to take the bike instead of the car. Just turning out of my complex I almost lost the back. This was at about 20mph, at the most, and less than 1/4 throttle.

My biggest complaint, and East Coasters back me up here, is I-78. A highway that runs across NJ and PA. The eastern part is mostly grooved super-slab. These Bridgestones hunt and peck all over the place. And heaven forbid you get behind a tractor-trailer, then you're blowing all over the place.

I've gotten so scared on these, I refuse to ride in the rain with them.

It's odd too, as I had a set of these on a Ninja 500 a number of years ago, and they were wonderful. Shame really, but I think these were designed for smaller sport bikes and standards, not our big sport-tourer.

I'm in somewhat of a pickle here too as I'm riding out to the National, and can't decide on what to replace these with: the Avons gripped the best, by far. The OEM Dunlops lasted the longest. I'd love to keep experimenting with different combinations, but to be honest, every time I have to dump another $300 on tyres, is $300 less I have toward a new C14, which I've been saving up for almost 2 years. I've still got another year or so to go (I'd like to buy mine cash, or at the most, finance only a small fraction of the price) and so this bike needs to last.

FWIW, over the past 40k miles, all the big trips I did, and all the best rides I went on, judging from my ride journals, were on the OEM Dunlops. I know many on here dislike them, but I can say that this bike rode like a Cadillac and handled like a proper sport bike with these and the suspension upgrades I've done (Sonic 1.2s, Progressive rear shock.) YMMV.

I had considered the Kosman or Mean Streak rear wheel, but to be honest, this bike has almost 65k on it. To spend that kind of money, knowing full well that some very big maintenance is right around the corner (going to need all new suspension bushings, timing chain (eventually), all new lines and hoses, brake caliper and carburetor rebuilds) the amount of money spent eventually becomes too much. Do I buy another low-mileage C10, and move all my good parts over, or do I keep saving and go for a C14?

Time, and finances, will tell. Sorry for the long-winded post, but I'm at my wit's end on this tyre issue. The few sets that are available are all some crummy compromise or another, and the alternative is to spend nearly half of what this bike is worth (if not more) on getting 17" wheels.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: motovetro on April 12, 2012, 01:19:49 am
 If you really want a C-14 shop for a deal on last years model and get some of the cheap interest rates and move on. I'm keeping my almost old 95(117k), just did complete maintenance on my 02 FZ-1 and it runs like new, I have been happy with Michelin Pilot Roads on that. Every time I need new tires on the Concours it seems you have to search for who is making a matched set anymore. That is a saving grace on the C-14, availability of new shoes. I wish it had the range of the old bike but it is a giant step to the future, if they would only raise the speed limits a bit.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: kap on May 01, 2012, 01:58:03 pm

I'm looking for a new set of tires and since I can no longer get the D205s I have used for the last 55K miles, I am looking for a new set up.  I have checked into the Avon Storm/Azaro match up that is recommended and it seems to be a good set. 

I have also noticed that Pirelli makes a 120/70-18 in their Angel line and a 150/80-16 in their Demon line.

I am thinking about giving this match up a try.
 
Does anyone have any experience running this Pirelli Angel/Demon match up?
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: motonerd14 on May 07, 2012, 01:41:59 am

I'm looking for a new set of tires and since I can no longer get the D205s I have used for the last 55K miles, I am looking for a new set up.  I have checked into the Avon Storm/Azaro match up that is recommended and it seems to be a good set. 

I have also noticed that Pirelli makes a 120/70-18 in their Angel line and a 150/80-16 in their Demon line.

I am thinking about giving this match up a try.
 
Does anyone have any experience running this Pirelli Angel/Demon match up?

The Angel is a dual-compound, radial tyre. The Sport Demon is a bias-ply. Could work ok, since I think those are also dual-compound. Not sure how the front will fit though, as our bikes have a 3" front rim, and that might be designed for a 3.5-4" width, so it may pinch it too much.

I would very much like to see how this works though!

On another note, I went back to the Avons. Nothing I've tried yet grips like these...
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: GlenJJ on May 07, 2012, 01:17:05 pm
I just had a set of K701/K700 added to my '06 and the 15 minute test ride left me very happy. I have had this bike for 1 year and put 4K on it for a total of 7K.  I have to get some serious miles in them to know how they do for me but so far so good and definitely better than what little tire tread that was left on them.

I spent some time reading up on models/brands and wrote down a few from the forum when I went into the shop. He couldn't find many of the ones I listed (and upon further reading realized several of those models had been discontinued) and so I had to dig furhter into the thread.

I liked someone's idea about a tire vote or a recap post at the top of the pinned thread. So far so good and lovin' the forum!
Thanks Guys!
Glenjj
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Dan Vitous on May 09, 2012, 01:59:54 am
Took the bike to work this morning, and as I was topping the rear off w/ air... I noticed DAMN.... this thing has about had it!

Just plunked down on a set of Avon Roadriders  (AM26) in stock sizes.  I feel inseam-challenged as it is w/o upping to wing-size.  I elected to get a set instead of squeezing a few k more out of th PR front I have... I kinda hate wasting a tire in decent shape, but oh well.

Woulda bought from Murph... but alas... outta stock til June.  Dennis Kirk says they'll be here by Friday :-D

Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: connie_rider on May 09, 2012, 11:58:44 am
I know that Murph has Avon Road Riders (AM-26) in stock. (Belted)
I looked at them. Look good! They appear to have the same tread pattern as the Avon Radials.
I have not seen the (AM-26) Roadriders discussed. Has anyone used these?

I did not go back and re-read this entire tread, so I may have missed the discussion on the AM-26 tires.
I did see that Murph was out of stock on them, so "someone" is using them....

What is the opinions on this tire?

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Jethro on May 11, 2012, 10:13:14 am
wow this forum is going to suck away all my riding time..for a newby theres just so much STUFF to read and learn...
but anyways heres my can of worms..would love to hear your thoughts...just got my connie about a week ago..she has brand new stock size dunlops...and i do most of my driving on highways..year round...im no racer..i prefer just cruisein on my concours,,im def a lower RPM kinda guy..but wow 6th gear is spinning way up there at 70ish..so i plan on the 7th gear unit from sisf..but the real question is in the meantime has any one ran a stock size front and a goldwing rear?? since my tires are new and funds are limited..i could drop a few RPMs with that bigger rear tire without haveing to spend money on a new front tire...plus money for getting them both mounted
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: cra-z1000 on May 11, 2012, 10:24:00 am
The roadriders work well but did not last long . Got about 8000 out of them before they cupped a bit . Running battleaxes now seem pretty decent so far .
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: ron203 on May 11, 2012, 09:16:57 pm
wow this forum is going to suck away all my riding time..for a newby theres just so much STUFF to read and learn...
but anyways heres my can of worms..would love to hear your thoughts...just got my connie about a week ago..she has brand new stock size dunlops...and i do most of my driving on highways..year round...im no racer..i prefer just cruisein on my concours,,im def a lower RPM kinda guy..but wow 6th gear is spinning way up there at 70ish..so i plan on the 7th gear unit from sisf..but the real question is in the meantime has any one ran a stock size front and a goldwing rear?? since my tires are new and funds are limited..i could drop a few RPMs with that bigger rear tire without haveing to spend money on a new front tire...plus money for getting them both mounted

When you pony up the measley $37 buck to join COG, there's EVEN MORE!!!! (and it's good!) Been there, done that. Lurked, joined the forum, joined COG, WOW!!!!!    :))
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Jethro on May 11, 2012, 09:35:57 pm
i am a member COG...im #10185... ^-^
so has anyone tried stock size tire up front and a goldwing on the back? any thoughts? problems?
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: cra-z1000 on May 12, 2012, 10:05:24 am
I notice the BT45 has siping that runs aroung the perimeter of the tire.  Has anyone who uses them ever had problems with the tires "hunting" in grooved pavement.  The 205's did and they have much the same configuration.  The Avon Storm doesn't twitch in this scenario at all.

I've now got 850 miles on a set of these, and I'm going to retract my previous statement that they like to lean.

They do, in fact, like to slip and then lean. That siping on the sides causes them to follow every groove, crack and rut in pavement. Never, in 40,000+ miles on this bike, have I had a set of tyres that I so adamantly hated.

Furthermore, I'd add that these are outright dangerous when very cold. Other night I had to run a few errands, decided to take the bike instead of the car. Just turning out of my complex I almost lost the back. This was at about 20mph, at the most, and less than 1/4 throttle.

My biggest complaint, and East Coasters back me up here, is I-78. A highway that runs across NJ and PA. The eastern part is mostly grooved super-slab. These Bridgestones hunt and peck all over the place. And heaven forbid you get behind a tractor-trailer, then you're blowing all over the place.

I've gotten so scared on these, I refuse to ride in the rain with them.

It's odd too, as I had a set of these on a Ninja 500 a number of years ago, and they were wonderful. Shame really, but I think these were designed for smaller sport bikes and standards, not our big sport-tourer.

I'm in somewhat of a pickle here too as I'm riding out to the National, and can't decide on what to replace these with: the Avons gripped the best, by far. The OEM Dunlops lasted the longest. I'd love to keep experimenting with different combinations, but to be honest, every time I have to dump another $300 on tyres, is $300 less I have toward a new C14, which I've been saving up for almost 2 years. I've still got another year or so to go (I'd like to buy mine cash, or at the most, finance only a small fraction of the price) and so this bike needs to last.

FWIW, over the past 40k miles, all the big trips I did, and all the best rides I went on, judging from my ride journals, were on the OEM Dunlops. I know many on here dislike them, but I can say that this bike rode like a Cadillac and handled like a proper sport bike with these and the suspension upgrades I've done (Sonic 1.2s, Progressive rear shock.) YMMV.

I had considered the Kosman or Mean Streak rear wheel, but to be honest, this bike has almost 65k on it. To spend that kind of money, knowing full well that some very big maintenance is right around the corner (going to need all new suspension bushings, timing chain (eventually), all new lines and hoses, brake caliper and carburetor rebuilds) the amount of money spent eventually becomes too much. Do I buy another low-mileage C10, and move all my good parts over, or do I keep saving and go for a C14?

Time, and finances, will tell. Sorry for the long-winded post, but I'm at my wit's end on this tyre issue. The few sets that are available are all some crummy compromise or another, and the alternative is to spend nearly half of what this bike is worth (if not more) on getting 17" wheels.




I'm liking the BT45's myself , have almost 3000 on them . stuck like glue all over the Eureka Springs area , wore my chicken strips down to a nub . I did put the progressive springs in at the same time . Don't have too much grooved pavement here but honestly , I have never found a motorcycle tire that didn't follow grooves and they all slip when cold .
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Jim Snyder on May 12, 2012, 06:35:58 pm
I know that Murph has Avon Road Riders (AM-26) in stock. (Belted)
I looked at them. Look good! They appear to have the same tread pattern as the Avon Radials.
I have not seen the (AM-26) Roadriders discussed. Has anyone used these?

I did not go back and re-read this entire tread, so I may have missed the discussion on the AM-26 tires.
I did see that Murph was out of stock on them, so "someone" is using them....

What is the opinions on this tire?

 Ride safe, Ted

Yo Ted,
  Thats what I had on my bike at the Wildflower ride. I mounted them up the week before. They must have handled pretty well, you remember when you said you couldn't keep up with me in the curves ? (ha-ha)
I like them so far, the ride is smooth, they track well, they handle good in the turns and they did well in the
little bit of rain we had that weekend.   

Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: pradsliff on May 14, 2012, 06:08:16 pm
I just went through reading all the advice on the forum and then selecting, buying, and riding on my new Avons. The full story is here: http://meandmyconnie.wordpress.com/2012/05/14/new-shoes-for-myconnie/ (http://meandmyconnie.wordpress.com/2012/05/14/new-shoes-for-myconnie/)
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Dan Vitous on May 15, 2012, 02:09:01 am
Jim - what tire pressure are you running in your Roadriders?

I got the front mounted... rear tomorrow.  I think.  I hope.  The downside about jack-stand balancing... its a bit time consuming :P

At least the 110 front went on w/o incident.  I had a 110 Mac, replaced with a 110 PR, and it wouldn't seat.  Took it to 2 dealers, and they couldn't seat it either.  Had to go back to a 120.

I've seen 32f-34r, 34f-36r... some pressures as low as 28 in the front... all over the board.

The upside.. I've also seen reports of phenomenal mileage.  Not being a big shredder... I have hopes :)

Thanks!

Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Racerchk on June 13, 2012, 07:07:28 pm
I changed my BT45 front at 16K and it was not at the wear bars. However others report 14K for the front. So somewhere in that range. Aprox 10K typical for the rear of BT-45.

As for size get the BT-45 in the 110/80-18 for the front, and for the rear they stock 150/80-16. Yes the 110/80 fits the later model front. Its actually the right size, IE the proper fit according to the specs.

:You_Rock_Emoticon:  :wee_hee:

Dude, sorry to have bothered you before I dug through all the posts  :-[ You answer all my questions here, except maybe the Bias vs. Radial issue. But looks like BT45's!  ;) Nevada here I come   :motonoises:  Currently am hating ME880's  >:(
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Slybones on June 13, 2012, 09:48:07 pm
Bias Ply versus Radial Ply....

You will get various opinions on this from "so what" to " your gonna die".  The vast majority of the internet searching I have done yields site all saying the same thing. Much of it is dang near copy/paste, word for word. I have only seen 1-2 good articles that were motorcycle specific and from some tire experts not just retyping the same old line.   

The general rule is dont mix bias and radial tires. However it should be noted that some M/C MFG's actually sell bikes right from the showrooom floor with a mix of tires. -- Then you have some that will say its ok to mix if you have bias front and radial rear. This is most common, but I have read a few that claim radial fronts and bias rears is the proper order.

Other general rule is if it comes with radials use radials, if it comes with bias ply use bias ply. Any swapping is dangerous bla bla bla.


A few data points as I understand them ( and learning more all the time, so subject to change without notice ), and General Rules not 100% cast in stone, and from the one good M/C article I read ( and cannot find right now ).

- Radials versus bias tires deflect load / energy differently, more flexible and generate less heat. ( I think this is 100% true )

- Radials last longer. In general motorcycle tire MFG's would give them softer compounds for better traction, and still have the same or better tire mileage than the old bias ply's had.

- All things being equal radials are supposed to have a harsher ride compared to the bias plys. Although not the case when comparing hard a** Wing Size bias ply tires to something like Avon radials. But they are intended for completely different needs. Hence the statement 'all things being equal'. -- Most articles I have read say the opposite. From the tire MFG's too. But I am wondering if it was car oriented. The one article I read saying M/C MFG making suspension inprovements for radials was an M/C specific article.

Given these things, from my fav article I have read Motorcycle MFG's have to make frame and steering geometry changes, and suspension changes to deal with radial tires and bring radials to the M/C market.  this is pretty universal stated across the sites. What seemed to be different about the one M/C specific article was giving some detail on:

-- The article will tell people if you have an older M/C designed for bias ply tires, that going to radials has no benefit. Your bike's frame / steerning geometry will not make use of the radial ply nature, could make it worse. Odds are you just end up with harsher ride and no benefit.  You spent more money for nothing unless you are willing to spend money on all kinds of other upgrades.

-- On the flip side when you have a bike designed for radials and going to bias ply, the response seemed to be 'why would you want to do that?'. I dont see the experts in the article saying your going to die, its more like 'how come'. Radials are better, why do you want to go backwards. I did not see all sorts of steering and suspension excuses like going from bias to radials. It was just a plain ole, WTF?

So MY conclusion is based on our poor choice of tire selection available for the C10 and the stock wheels. In our specific case the 'How Come?' is because they are a cost effective alternative, that handle well and have good traction, and in this case generally have slightly better mileage than the one existing radial pair we have.

How I understand it, subject to change w/o notice.

Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Slybones on June 13, 2012, 10:42:44 pm
In terms of Radials lasting longer than Bias ply tires. I have read on Michelin site that radials can last up to 50% longer than a bias ply. In the car world radial tires with 80K mileage warranties are not uncommon. These are generally H rated or less tires and not what I would think of as performance. Seems like they really do get some miles out of them.

In the bike world, why does it seem to me that radials are not getting all that much better mileage that bias plys. Sure they have better traction, but has the M/C tire MFG's just decided that we dont need mileage and that they will just make them sticker and sticker as technology improves. 10-15K is all you get. Live with it.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: ron203 on June 13, 2012, 10:59:35 pm
With my limited knowledge and experience: My 2000 (new to me in 2010) came with old but not worn out Dunlops. I put on Avon Azaro/Storm combo and liked it. Low mileage outcome (5,500 miles rear, some life left in the front) great handling.

I ride one particular slab near my office a lot and it is grooved concrete. The older the Avons got, the more they danced. I switched to BT-045 Bridgestones (bias). No more dance (very little anyway), not quite as good in the handling dept. Same road. $100 less on a set. SLIGHTLY less confidence on a wet road, but I'm still not sure if that's in my mind or not. Not willing to push it to see.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: connie_rider on June 17, 2012, 02:25:18 pm
Ok Jim, (now that you outrode me at the National)..
What do you think of the Roadriders?
Were they as comfortable as your previous tires?

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Capt. G on June 17, 2012, 03:26:59 pm
as a past road racer, avons are the way to go hands down. great feedback, tremendous traction in wet/dry conditions. Any kind of road surface. I will never run anything else. :great: :beerchug: :)
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Sirius Scratch on June 20, 2012, 02:16:58 am
After much reading here in the forum, I swapped my blistered, cupped, and otherwise hosed Metzler 880s for the bias ply Bridgestone BT45s front and back.  I've put 220 miles on them so far, a mix of in town riding and Interstate cruising.  Happy to report that the Bridgestones have plenty of road feel, lack the harshness of the Metzlers, and I experienced NO hunting in either of the riding situations, and besides the normal heavy truck canals on I-5 we have a plethora of heavy equipment surface anomalies on the local roads, enough to challenge any tire.  I am running factory recommended tire pressures front and rear.

Sirius
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: motonerd14 on June 21, 2012, 03:08:41 am
After much reading here in the forum, I swapped my blistered, cupped, and otherwise hosed Metzler 880s for the bias ply Bridgestone BT45s front and back.  I've put 220 miles on them so far, a mix of in town riding and Interstate cruising.  Happy to report that the Bridgestones have plenty of road feel, lack the harshness of the Metzlers, and I experienced NO hunting in either of the riding situations, and besides the normal heavy truck canals on I-5 we have a plethora of heavy equipment surface anomalies on the local roads, enough to challenge any tire.  I am running factory recommended tire pressures front and rear.

Sirius

I'm wondering if the Bridgestones are directly affected not just by air pressure, but also suspension settings. I have a very stiff and sporty setup on this bike, with Sonic 1.2s in the front and a Progressive 465 in the rear that has been dialed in for better handling than ride. Could it be that the stiffer suspension is partially causing the wander I experienced with these? It was only on roads that had grooves or truck ruts. On fresh pavement, they were wonderful.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: connie_rider on June 22, 2012, 03:05:18 pm
At the National this year, Jim showed me how well the belted tires (AM-26's) worked for him. I was impressd!!
But I prefer a radial, as I think the radial gives me a tiny bit more grip/safety.

Eventually (if the tire choices continue to decrease) I will have to go to the belted tires,, find 17" wheels, and/or get a new bike.    :)

Until then,, I'll be on radials.

See ya on the road.
Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Browny on July 11, 2012, 04:02:37 am
Hi all! My name is Bill Brown and this is my first post, nickname Browny!
   My 04 is running Azaro rear and Storm II front. At four thousand miles the rear went flat at 90mph on I-75  heading home from work out of Miami at 4:30 am, leaving me a quarter mile shy of Sheridan Street. On the rim I rode to the first light heading east, parking it till I got towed. I had approx a thousand miles left on the rear. Competition Cycle showed me the puncture dead center which caused me my inconvenience.
   Now, new Azaro, two thousand miles and the Storm II six thousand. My commute is a hundred seventeen miles a day, six days a week, rain or shine.
   I like these tires. Heavy rain, hi speeds, cornering and most impressed with getting me off the highway flat!
   My quest now is a 17" rear wheel due to the fact of dual compound.

   ttyl, browny
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: james_laribee_NY on July 11, 2012, 03:34:06 pm
Okay so back to the Michelin Commander II's. I like the twisties but I'm looking for longer tire wear. All I have run is the Dunlop 205's. What kind of life can we expect from the Commanders? Will I give up a lot of stick in the twisties?
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: motonerd14 on July 15, 2012, 07:44:38 pm
Just 2¢ here, but I put that BT45 back on the rear when the Azaro wore out. Now running a half-worn Storm on the front and a fairly new (2k miles, or thereabouts) BT on the back and so far, so good. I see no reason why one could not run this combination, if that helps.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: 03Mach1 on August 12, 2012, 11:34:10 am
I went with the Dunlop K700 replacement. So far, so good. About 1000 miles on it so far and shows very little wear.  You can see from the old one, it was overdue to be replaced. The guy inspecting it would not pass it.  I am glad. It was an accident waiting to happen.  It had almost 9000 miles on it!  This is the 4th set of tires in 31K miles.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Daytona_Mike on August 12, 2012, 03:02:18 pm
What do you mean? ' The guy inspecting it would not pass it'
Are you saying you would have kept on riding on that bald a** worn out tire if the 'Guy' did pass it??
Wow!  Do you know what a 'Wear Bar' is??
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Slybones on August 12, 2012, 04:50:34 pm
That old one looks like a BT-45 rear. Only 9K and down that far. hmmm...  Maybe 8K to the wear bars?  -- 8K to 10K sounds about right for them. A few have reported less.

I have 11.2K on mine as of yesterdays ride. Not on the bars yet. This is my best so far. 10K as been typical for me.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: connie_rider on August 13, 2012, 11:57:54 am
Are you saying you would have kept on riding on that bald a** worn out tire??      Wow! 

Now Mike. Go EZ. <grin>
As I recall your rear tire looked a LOT like that in Arkansas....
But,,, of course, yours only had about 2000 miles on it....   ;)
I can't imagine how it got so worn???   :sign0098:

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: RS on September 27, 2012, 10:09:13 am
 I would use Avon Storm Ultra 2 on front and Azaro on the rear.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Sirius Scratch on October 07, 2012, 02:54:43 pm
After much reading here in the forum, I swapped my blistered, cupped, and otherwise hosed Metzler 880s for the bias ply Bridgestone BT45s front and back.  I've put 220 miles on them so far, a mix of in town riding and Interstate cruising.  Happy to report that the Bridgestones have plenty of road feel, lack the harshness of the Metzlers, and I experienced NO hunting in either of the riding situations, and besides the normal heavy truck canals on I-5 we have a plethora of heavy equipment surface anomalies on the local roads, enough to challenge any tire.  I am running factory recommended tire pressures front and rear.

Sirius

Not a very scientific observation, but I noticed that the Metzelers made a "shush-ing" sound when you turned the front wheel on the garage floor when backing the bike out.  Like dragging a heavy cardboard box on the floor.  The Bridgestones make a very raucous "squidgy" sound, like new tennis shoes on a wet floor.  I think this is testimony to the difference in compounds between the two brands.

Due to a change in business travel, I haven't covered a thousand miles yet on the BT45s but they still look brand new, and I spend a lot of miles on that rocky asphalt style macadam they love so much up here in the Pacific Northwest.  So far, so good.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Redbarron on March 20, 2013, 11:29:30 pm
Well going to finally do it and order up a set of Michelins a 120 70 18 road pilot 3 for the front and a 150 80 16 commander 2 for the rear.

I figure I will be ready for them by mid summer :)

Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Zorlac on March 21, 2013, 07:56:19 pm
Well going to finally do it and order up a set of Michelins a 120 70 18 road pilot 3 for the front and a 150 80 16 commander 2 for the rear.
I figure I will be ready for them by mid summer :)
And unfortunately $275 lighter.  :'(
I have the same set waiting to go on.
I got 4 BF Goodrich tars on a 98 Corolla at Sam's club for $250 INSTALLED, I hate MC tars!  :'(
I doubt this PR3 will beat the PR2 I'm taking off for mileage and if the Commander gets close to the mileage I got out of my last Pilot GT I'll be satisfied.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: JC on May 04, 2013, 10:26:37 pm
Has anyone used 110/80-18 (58V) Avon Roadrider AM26 Universal Motorcycle Tire? It's hard to find 120/70-18 and 150/80-16 in sets... I'm looking at running 150/80-16 (71V) Avon Roadrider AM26 Rear and 110/80-18 (58V) Avon Roadrider AM26 Universal.

Can you run 130/70-18 in front and a 160/80-16 in the rear????
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Slybones on May 06, 2013, 05:09:29 am
in the 110/80 and 150/80 sizes the Avon Roadriders, Pirelli Sport Demons and Bridgestone BT45V's are a V Rated bias ply tires that are listed as a sport touring tire. They are NOT high mileage tires. They are Sport Touring tires, albeit bias ply ones. Generally people using this type tire are quite pleased with the handing and performance of the tire. There are a few around here using the Avon RoadRiders and they work well.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: connie_rider on May 06, 2013, 09:33:05 pm
I think Murph is carrying the Avon Roadrider AM26.

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Barney on June 16, 2013, 01:09:17 am
I prefer the BT45s. The OEM tires always felt skittish to me. When I had Pilot GTs (they seemed to be the most popular replacement when they were available) the bike tracked a lot better but was not nearly as maneuverable as with the original tires. The Bridgestones wear great, handle like the OEM tires but don't dance around nearly as much.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Snarf on July 31, 2013, 04:15:50 am
Posting before reading all the replies, taboo I know.  I got to page 7 and I'm tired.
I put new rubber on my 02 before last years rally. Shinko 005 front 890 rear, wing size.  The rear still has good rubber after 6.5k miles. I figure I will be putting on about 3k for this rally and I don't want to risk it.

What are some good wing size rears? I keep reading about the 890 being out of round and its to late in the game to chance that.
Could a person lower the front a tad and run a stock sized BT45?
Thanks in advance for any info or advice.
Chris...
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Deadeye on August 20, 2013, 01:05:40 am
Boy, I'm worn out.  Have read this whole thread.

MY rear tire is getting close.  Front looks new.  Problem front is a radial so want a radial for the real. 
No where in this thread can I find the size for wing tires we can use on the rear.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Rev Ryder on August 20, 2013, 02:03:50 am
Boy, I'm worn out.  Have read this whole thread.

MY rear tire is getting close.  Front looks new.  Problem front is a radial so want a radial for the real. 
No where in this thread can I find the size for wing tires we can use on the rear.
Deadeye, readin' tar threads'll sure nuff wear ya out and usually tell ya not too much.  It's the nature of tire threads I reckon.

GL1500 "Wing Size" tars.
160/80-16 rear
130/70-18 front

EDIT TO ADD:
BTW, I hates wing size tars on a Connie.  Rides 'n' handles like a school bus.   :(
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Slybones on August 20, 2013, 05:08:59 am
Other than the Shinko SE890 Journey Touring Radial Rear Tire a few are running, I don't think there is radial rear in Wing size. Most all the GL1500 tires are bias ply tires.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: connie_rider on August 20, 2013, 04:53:47 pm
OHHHhhhhhhh NNNnnnoooooooooo..
Rev started the Goldwing tire err School Bus discussion again..   :-[

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Rev Ryder on August 21, 2013, 04:40:10 pm
 >:D >:D >:D

I need a ride.  I reckon a half dozen thousands of miles'll do about right.  Come on 7:00pm.  No wait, I still have to get my sissy bar on and load up.  Back in a bit.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: connie_rider on August 21, 2013, 06:16:26 pm
Quit typing, and start wrenchin'.
Call me tomorrow if ya get a chance.

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Rev Ryder on August 26, 2013, 02:45:57 am
OK, NOW I read this message.  Well, I texted ya earlier... does that count... even if it's a few days late?
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: BobT_MA on August 26, 2013, 10:23:31 pm
I just replaced both of my tires on my 1986 C10 with Avon Storm 2 Ultra for the front & Avon Azaro for the rear.  Paid $265.76, from Chaparral Motorsports, free shipping.  Haven't had a chance to ride it much lately so I don't know how it handles in the curves.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: LrnFzx on September 20, 2013, 01:54:34 pm
I bought my 1988 Concours with new Bridgestone BT45s on it.  4,000 miles later the rear is shot - flat with no tread on the center 4 inches.  The front feels like a series of spoons if you run your hand along the edge.  This is the rear.

(http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t543/LRNFZX/Mechanical%20Stuff/image_zps6d5594b7.jpg)

I have kept the pressure about 3 psi higher than factory recommendations with a calibrated gauge.  I usually ride solo with very little weight in the bags.  Do I just ride too aggressively or what?  I read about some of you getting 6,000 - 10,000 miles out of these tires and I have no idea how that is possible.

I went with Pirelli Sport Demons as replacements.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: RodWpg on September 20, 2013, 04:11:19 pm
Pirelli Sport Demons......well how do they feel?
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Rev Ryder on September 20, 2013, 04:50:40 pm
Pirelli Sport Demons......well how do they feel?
They feel all warm and fuzzy.


Actually, the Perellis are a soft compound bias tire.  They require a bit of warm up to smooth out, but once you've gone a couple of miles they are quite nice tires.  Excellent adhesion and cornering grip due to the soft rubber.  They will pretty much do what the Avon Storm/Azaro Combo will do, they just aren't radials so the ride is ever so slightly harsher.  But really not much so.

They are not a long life tire and they have a dual, wavy, center tread pattern.  They are not bad at following tar snakes or rain grooves, but maybe not quite as neutral as some other tires.  WAY FAR superior in feeling and performance (IMHO) to the OE tires or most other fitting Dunlops.

These tires are ideal for the guy or gal who doesn't get to ride a lot, but wants a solid performing tire and excellent grip.  I put these on my wife's bike for those reasons.  A longer lasting tire on a little ridden bike has a tendency to get old, but because it still looks new is not replaced even though its better traction days are over.  This tire is sticky and good for 4000 miles of spirited riding.  3000 if you're a hooligan like... some folks I ride with.  And 5-7000 if you're driving Miss Daisy. No way to get 10k outta these. But they will give you good bite all the way down. I can drag parts with em and neither of us flinches.  That all said, I usually run Avons because they are a little better grip, a little longer life, and a little smoother ride.  They're also a little more moolah.
Title: Pirelli Sport Demon
Post by: LrnFzx on September 30, 2013, 01:06:39 am
I replaced the rear BT45 with the Sport Demon and took it for a good, long ride. 

I didn't feel it.  It was really nice not to have the inconsistency of the worn out tire making the rear end wiggle at inopportune times.  Once I took off the old tire, I saw that the center section was so worn down that it was quite flexible and probably made the tire do funny things, especially under high stress.   This tire did exactly what it is supposed to and I didn't notice it.

I still haven't scrubbed in the tire, but I took some corners I know really well and was able to maintain excellent speeds with minimal effort.  I've been riding tough corners pretty hard with a well-worn tire so my skills shine on a good tire.

Soon some bad weather and a new front tire.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Ride&time on October 26, 2013, 03:50:18 am
Hi, Reading this - So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10? I see some like a Bias ply tire.  I have had cars with Bias ply and they did not ride as smooth as the radial. Can I count on this to be true with motorcycle tires as well? From my experience in the car the bias ply tires seemed to get a thump on cold days that took a few miles to go away. Maybe a flat spot from sitting a couple days. It did go away after driving a bit. I have had my C-10 since march. It came with Dunlop 701/700 Front and back. I though it rides great. It needs tires now. Almost to the wear bars. Ride quality is as important to me as handling Also Milage as in MPG. Is there any difference between bias ply and radial?

Following this years National rally (Unfortunately didn't make) there was a great ride in Oregon - Ride The Ribbon - not far from the Rally with great roads. I would say 90% were chip seal. Those roads were - How to shorten a tires life. Well,  and trying to keep up..

Bias ply or Radial?

Best Regards,
Mark
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Zorlac on October 27, 2013, 02:38:22 am
Bias back, Radial front.  :o
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Ride&time on October 27, 2013, 03:47:56 am
Think I will stick to radials front & back. Thanks anyway.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: works4me on October 27, 2013, 12:13:36 pm
Good luck with that.

Many here have found the radial front/bias rear combo
gives them the ideal mix of handling, ride quality,
performance, longevity and value we all want out of our tires.

Why ask for advice if your you're going to dismiss the
response so readily?

I've gone through seven sets of tires so far, trying every
type and size available. None have performed as well as
the radial/ bias combo in the stock sizes. Just MHO. YMMV.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Ride&time on October 27, 2013, 08:25:52 pm
I dismissed it because the tire guys at all the big stores start jumping up and down saying you can't mix radial and bias ply. With my car I have had them tell me they would not mount the tire. I have mounted tires myself before even car tires. So there are ways around the shop. Must have gotten 8000 miles from the Dunlop 700. It was used when I got it and I added 6000. It would be nice to get more but that seems Okay. I have had it skid prematurely in my opinion and felt it could have grabbed better breaking. I don't ride super hard so no need for the stickyest tire. Mostly though I thought you were putting me on in regards to mixing the tires. (didn't think you were serious)
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Zorlac on October 28, 2013, 12:40:03 am
"the tire guys at all the big stores start jumping up and down saying you can't mix radial and bias ply."

See, there's your problem right thar, I've never seen anybody jumpin up N down when I be spoonin on da hoops of my choice.
::)
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Slybones on October 28, 2013, 01:51:16 am
the tire guys at all the big stores start jumping up and down saying you can't mix radial and bias ply

Yeah, but there is more than one motorcycle manufacturer that actually sell them this way right off the show room floor. Its easy to find on the web HD's that come this way. And I have heard BMW sold them this way, but I have never been able to find that model bike. I believe it was one of the Dakar type bikes.

It could be argued that those bikes were designed this way. And the Connie is not. Colin and I were once reading a magazine article where the tire expert was describing all the changes motorcycle MFG's made to frame, steering geometry and suspension  components to bring radials to motorcycles. And I look at modern sport bikes and things like the C14 and I see these things. I would probably never put a bias ply on a C14 for example. Just too many radial choices among other things.  But on a C10 with its 1986 suspension, frame design, steering geometries, etc. AND factoring in the complete lack of choice we have its just not that bad of a choice. And many of them bias ply tires, albeit V-rated versus Z-rated radials are performing quite well.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: danodemotoman on October 28, 2013, 04:30:14 am
 I try not to use never or always...
 Depends on the bike and frame as far as using radials on a bike not designed for it.
 My V65 Sabre not only works fine with radials but the advantage in cornering and braking was noticeble. The V65 frame is stiff enough where the V45 is reported not to be.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Ride&time on October 28, 2013, 07:03:25 am
Okay, I'll keep it in mind as a possibility.

Thanks
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Slybones on October 29, 2013, 04:59:42 pm
I try not to use never or always...
 Depends on the bike and frame as far as using radials on a bike not designed for it.
 My V65 Sabre not only works fine with radials but the advantage in cornering and braking was noticeble. The V65 frame is stiff enough where the V45 is reported not to be.

I think on a bike designed for bias ply, using radials is a bike by bike deal. From things I have read, its not just frame stiffness. Its also steering geometries and suspension changes.

I think the real question here is taking a bike that originally came with radials, and going backwards and installing bias ply tires. For modern sport bikes and sport touring machines with cartridge forks and all the high end stuff, I would for sure would use nothing but radials. But take a look and many of the brand new and recent 2013 bikes that all use lower end dampening rod forks, etc. that are designed to be entry level or low cost. They still come with bias ply tires. That's part of the low cost. -- The take away for me, IMO of course, is that a C10 with its dampening rod forks, 1986 frame and steering geometry design is not that big a step backwards on a bias ply tires. And the bias ply tires have been brought up to date to some extent, with dual compounds etc. These are not 1986 bias ply tires.

Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: danodemotoman on October 30, 2013, 04:18:45 am
 Of course there are multiple issues involving tire choice.  Pointing to the frame was one.  Comparitive,  the Sabre has suspension very similar to the C10.
 Most often we have little chance of modifying those structural designs so left with 'testing' tires by the 'seat of the pants'.
 Having used a couple bias tires in the (several years) past have returned to radials as the best sport touring tire(s) for me.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: DamDan on November 09, 2013, 11:30:44 pm
And then, there are the original equipment Dunlop K700 & K701. Cost effective, as far as I'm concerned. And they are radials, which this bike was designed for.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: works4me on November 10, 2013, 02:59:04 am
Televisions, cell phones, digital cameras, computers,
autos, motorcycles.......I could go on but my point is
things have changed a lot in the last thirty years.
Motorcycle tires are no exception.
I fail to see the logic in sticking with dated technology.

For the record, I went through two sets of the Dunlops.
I wasn't impressed.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Zorlac on November 10, 2013, 04:14:43 am
"I fail to see the logic in sticking with dated technology."

The logic being that the currently available selection of radials for the stock rear rim are few in number.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Slybones on November 10, 2013, 05:01:35 pm
Still the idea that the C10 is "designed" for radials, just because it came with radials is a stretch in some peoples opinion given its 30 year old design. Todays bias plies are probably as good or better than 30 year old radials.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Douglas on November 10, 2013, 11:39:51 pm
Boy, I'm worn out.  Have read this whole thread.

MY rear tire is getting close.  Front looks new.  Problem front is a radial so want a radial for the real. 
No where in this thread can I find the size for wing tires we can use on the rear.
Deadeye, readin' tar threads'll sure nuff wear ya out and usually tell ya not too much.  It's the nature of tire threads I reckon.

GL1500 "Wing Size" tars.
160/80-16 rear
130/70-18 front

EDIT TO ADD:
BTW, I hates wing size tars on a Connie.  Rides 'n' handles like a school bus.   :(

I agree. I like a 110 front tire myself. It soaks up bumps better in my opinion. I think a 100 front is as narrow as I wanna go. I have a 100 now and it's fine. I think its much better than a 130. Much smoother ride and when made by shinko it grips much better in the rain than a Metzeler me880, but then again, anything grips better than an 880...

Has anyone tried a 140 rear yet? I'd love to hear their thoughts on it.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Douglas on November 11, 2013, 01:55:48 am
I was wondering if anyone had experience with the Shinko 747's?

Can't say that I have personal experience w/ that tire but a friend has been happy w/ Shinko Raven tires.  The best thing about them was the price but in the same breath there have been problems w/ quality.


draw an X across the white wall so you can see it on film

Shinko Motorcycle Tire Background (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnGgGD5LJtc#ws)
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Kurt_Lammon_TN on December 02, 2013, 10:06:28 pm
When I bought my '02 in 2009, it had Dunlops. The tires were a bit worn but plenty of tread, so I kept riding them. The headshake on deceleration was kind of scary. If you took your hands off the bars and let it coast, the head would start shaking really badly. (I know, I know... its better to have your hands on the bars!)

I thought it was a problem with the bike. Finally I got a nail in the back tire and decided to go with new Avons front and back. What a difference!! No more headshake. Super smooth. I don't go to the cornering limits and I've had no traction problems in dry or wet.

Regarding the shorter tread life of the Avons, I'd rather buy an extra set of tires over a five year span if they work this well. My vote is with the Avons!
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: dld on January 02, 2014, 02:16:16 pm
I just changed from worn out OEM style Dunlops to Avon Storm/Azaro yesterday, only have about 40 miles on them and can already say that the improvement in handling is substantial. Much, much smoother entering corners, and feels very stable in corners. I can't wait for a little warmer weather and a good ride on some twisty roads!

DLD
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: dld on January 24, 2014, 07:00:07 pm
Update to the post above;

I've had them on a few weeks now, and I can say that these tires are AWESOME! When you consider the size and weight of the Connie, and the handling with these tires, it's just amazing. Confidence inspiring!

DLD
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: DamDan on January 24, 2014, 07:04:33 pm
Thanks for the input on your Avons. Keep us updated on any "issues".
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: DanPaul on April 29, 2014, 05:50:19 pm
So i have read through a lot of the posts, can i get things simplified in one post? i see different sizes, mentions of the book being off stating a 3 1/2" inch front rim and its really 3" .

I think it would help me with my simple mind to see somthing along the lines of

Option 1 this size, this brand = best
Option 2 this size, this brand = Good, not as nice when wet
Option 3 This size but no matching front and rear available, ... all round good.

or somthing like that so i can compare based on someones opinion what choices are available.

My guy who i order tires with found the Dunlop 700/701 but not the BT045, only a BT020. will that work?
Appreciate any input given
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Rev Ryder on April 29, 2014, 06:06:31 pm
OK Dan, I'll venture in...
In stock Connie sizes:
Avons... Azaro rear Storm (whichever suits you) front.  Excellent handling wet or dry.  Best all around tire for the Concours 1000.  Wears a bit faster than some others.

Pirelli Sport Demons.  A non-radial choice here that is cheaper than most options.  Excellent dry traction, good wet.  Soft compound with good tread design.  A little more likely to follow rain grooves than the Avon Azaro/Storm combo.  A good all round tire particularly for folks who don't ride more than 5000 miles per year. (too long of lasting tires will put you riding on old rubber which is not ever good)

I put any and every other stock sized option well below these two.  I value traction enough to avoid any tires which offer (or I suspect may offer) less traction than these.  While I have tried a few others, most of those are no longer in production.  The Bridgestone is probably a good tire that I have experience with, but not on COnnie.  THe Shinkos I cannot speak to as I haven't run them either.  The Marathon 880's are evil IMHO (yeah, experience on these).  Michelin has no offering... yet.  Dunlops are not very good in my experience on COnnie, but I have only tried MOST of them.  I did like the RoadSmart tires on my 17" rims.  Best offering from Dunlop ever IMHO but not in stock sizing.  Too bad.

Hope that helps.  A topic always bound to create more heat than light.  ;)
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: dld on April 30, 2014, 04:13:26 am
My last posted update on the Azaro/Storm combo was January 24th. Here it is the end of April, and having three more months of riding on them, I am still thrilled with the performance, both wet and dry. I'm constantly finding myself leaning into a turn until something scrapes, or my toes are dragging, and the tires just feel solid. When these are gone they will definitely be replaced with the same. They may not be the mileage kings, but I like the twisties, and these tires are perfect for that!
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: 2linby on April 30, 2014, 04:32:05 am
Black and round. By far the best tires for the Connie!  ;)
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Boomer on April 30, 2014, 09:46:48 am
Have been running a PR3 front (110/80-18) and Azaro AV46 rear for 2 months 5,000 miles and love this combo.
Can't wait for the Storm 3D X-M to come out in 150/80-ZR16 next month!!
May even try a matched pair of 3D X-Ms when mine wear out.
If I do that will be the first time I have had a matched pair of tyres on a C10 since the early Noughties.
I think they were Michelin Macadam 90Xs.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: DanPaul on April 30, 2014, 10:37:51 am
so i see some are 110/80/18 and some are 120/70/18, thats part of what confuses me i guess ,.... whats the big change? one fit better then the other?
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Steve in Sunny Fla on April 30, 2014, 10:57:22 am
Run the 110 / 80 - 18. it's speced for the 3" rim, the 120 series fits a 3.5". Steve
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: DanPaul on April 30, 2014, 12:37:49 pm
thanks, that helps :) i like cut dry awnsers.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Rev Ryder on April 30, 2014, 12:50:14 pm
What Steve said.
The confusion comes because the early bikes came from Ma Kaw with the Dunlop 110/80 front. Anyone feel free to jump in and correct me where I am wrong.   Then, in 1994, when there were a few changes/updates made, the bikes came equipped with a "slightly" wider redesigned rim and a Dunlop 120/70 front... but that tire appears to have not REALLY quite been a 120/70 tire though it WAS wider than the 110/80.  Replacing it with a more typical 120/70 in any other manufacturer or even model of tire from Dunlop was actually putting on a tire not specified for a rim that narrow.  The 110/80 is still the better choice IMHO for handling and fitment on any year of Concours (any year before that other thing came out that made us start calling them C-10s at least).   ;D
 
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: WanderingNAP on May 19, 2014, 05:01:04 am
One hour and 45 minutes later and i've finally reached the end of the thread and i think i've got a handle on it... :truce:
Looks like i'll be buying another Dunlop K700 for the rear and it will last as long as my existing front Dunlop (I bought the set together last Summer, ergo the 2/1 ratio). AND in the mean time, I'll be shopping for a 17" rear wheel... If i lived in Kansas or Florida the Metzler 880s would be 'good enough', but everywhere else they're rubbish....Radials are preferred but bias are decent and not dangerous. Avon is the front runner and going 110/80 is the proper fit for the front from here on out. Thanks Gentlemen. Did i pass?!
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: connie_rider on May 19, 2014, 09:58:01 pm
Nope,, ya missed somthing...
Read it again.
And then go read the other tide discussion...    ;)

(Hint) Avon is coming out with a new Compound/Radial Tire/(for the C-10) in the next few months..

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Jim Snyder on May 19, 2014, 11:07:26 pm
One hour and 45 minutes later and i've finally reached the end of the thread and i think i've got a handle on it... :truce:
Looks like i'll be buying another Dunlop K700 for the rear and it will last as long as my existing front Dunlop (I bought the set together last Summer, ergo the 2/1 ratio). AND in the mean time, I'll be shopping for a 17" rear wheel... If i lived in Kansas or Florida the Metzler 880s would be 'good enough', but everywhere else they're rubbish....Radials are preferred but bias are decent and not dangerous. Avon is the front runner and going 110/80 is the proper fit for the front from here on out. Thanks Gentlemen. Did i pass?!

Nick, don't do it Bro, the Dunlop 700's are crap. Have you looked at the Avon AM-26? They are bias but are better than the 700's any day of the week. I am currently running 110/80 front and 150/80 rear and they are great.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Daytona_Mike on May 19, 2014, 11:18:40 pm
880's are crap too even in Florida. The problem is they will never heat up even on hard cornering or with  heavy loads on a C10. In wet weather they are like concrete and act like snot on grease.
880's on certain  other bikes work great but IMHO they are dangerous  on a C10. I put 500 miles on one and then  tossed in the garbage
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: SteveJ. on May 19, 2014, 11:26:13 pm
880's are crap too even in Florida. The problem is they will never heat up even on hard cornering or with  heavy loads on a C10. In wet weather they are like concrete and act like snot on grease.
880's on certain  other bikes work great but IMHO they are dangerous  on a C10. I put 500 miles on one and then  tossed in the garbage

What Daytona Mike said ^^^^^

Hey Mike, you beat me to it by about 8 minutes.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Rev Ryder on May 20, 2014, 01:10:20 am
Ditto!
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: WanderingNAP on May 20, 2014, 02:45:53 pm

[/quote]

Nick, don't do it Bro, the Dunlop 700's are crap. Have you looked at the Avon AM-26? They are bias but are better than the 700's any day of the week. I am currently running 110/80 front and 150/80 rear and they are great.
[/quote]

I will definitely be running the avons in the future, but i only need a rear tire at this moment so i thoughti should stick with the set of matching Dunlops until i need a new complete set. I dont think it should take me too long. 8K miles or so, probably by independence day :-)
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: DamDan on May 20, 2014, 07:19:15 pm
I admit that the Dunlop K700 series isn't a great tire but I've had to "resort" to them on many occasions due to both Dunlop and other manufacturers dropping lines/sizes of tires over the years. At least they have been fairly available and inexpensive, for radials. I have them on both of my C-10s now but have an Avon awaiting me at the dealer. Of the 250+K miles on my two C-10s, over half have been on the K700s and I'm forever having fellow riders tell me that I need to back off a little.  LOL  Plus, I've never had any "failures" with them that I can recollect. Can't say that about some of the others I've used. So, Avon will have to prove to me that they're worth the extra money. I'm more than willing to try though.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Edward on May 20, 2014, 10:39:38 pm
I couldn't wait for the 3D XM. I had previously loved the Avon combo (Storm 2 Ultra + Azaro) but wanted to try something new considering mileage and prices.


I've been on a Shinko 777 and a Michelin PR3 for a few weeks and have loved it so far. Handling is nice, have scraped a bit more off my center stand and my pegs, and there is almost NO chicken strip left, so I am cautioning myself to hold off a little. They "dance" a little more at high speed and in dirty air than the Avons did, but I try to avoid both of those situations as much as possible.


So far, the Avon is the winning combo, but this hasn't been too bad for the price. I got >7K miles on the Avons, so hoping for something more from this set.


Front: Michelin PR3 110/80 18
Rear: Shinko 777 150/80 16


 :great:

Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Coldfinger on May 24, 2014, 02:10:04 am
I just mounted a set of Bridgestone BT 45 Battleax tires on my 87.  Super easy to mount and set beads.

Went on a 97 mile interstate and highway ride.  Took hands off bars one time and bike seemed to track straight which surprised me because it's always drifted to the right.  Maybe it was the road or wind, time will tell.

I did get the feeling they wandered a little.  I've never run non-radials before on the Concours.  Maybe it's just because they are new and very responsive and bike is very responsive compared to my Yamaha Raider, which has been my primary ride the last few years.  Maybe the wind and buffeting accentuated it.  I'm still pleased with the tires though.  They even have a date code of 2014 and came from Dennis Kirk.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Jesusfreaks95 on May 29, 2014, 01:25:56 pm
Has anyone ran the new Michelin Commander II for a rear? Also, the BT-45 seems to be a popular read but what about a BT-020 for the front? Sorry if I missed any information, this thread is long!
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Zorlac on May 29, 2014, 02:13:35 pm
"Has anyone ran the new Michelin Commander II for a rear?"

I'm running one, it works well enough for me it's wearing well too.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: james_laribee_NY on May 29, 2014, 06:25:43 pm
I'm running the Commander on my 99. About 8K miles so far and still looks like new. My last tire was worn out by this amount of miles.
It works pretty good. Maybe a little twitchy at the extreme.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Jesusfreaks95 on May 30, 2014, 02:29:50 am
Okay, thanks for your reply's that pretty much seals what I'm going to try this time around.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: WanderingNAP on May 31, 2014, 03:08:44 am
Well, in the interest of saving money AND learning how to remove and install the rear tire i've decided to re-use the tires on the parts bike i got last fall. They are the Avon pairing that are well reviewed and have lots of life left on them. The best part is now I'm proficient in tire work which will save me HUNDREDS during the life of the bike. I will post my review here soon(ish). Although.... the shinko reviews and price point are enticing.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: dld on June 02, 2014, 02:44:03 pm
Update on my Avon Azaro/Storm combo.

We just took a vacation trip, 2142 miles, over numerous mountain passes as high as 9623 ft,  hours spent at 100-110 mph through Death Valley at 119 degrees (282 ft below sea level),  the Grand Canyon, Zion national Park, across Nevada on the Lincoln Highway. The tires had about 3500 miles on them when we left. The rear is completely worn out now, the front probably has one or two thousand miles left on it.
  Overall these tires are incredibly good. Not mileage kings, but they take anything you throw at them in stride. We rode in really hot conditions and rain on this trip, and lots of high speed. I never once felt like the tires were a problem.

 I will be ordering a new rear tire today, and it will be another Avon.

DLD
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: DamDan on June 03, 2014, 12:15:03 am
Hey, dld, how many "hours" @ 100-110mph did it take you to navigate Death Valley? Didn't know it was that big. LOL  I just put an Avon on the front of my '06 with the rear to follow later this month. First Avons for me in over 275K miles. We'll see.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: PaulP on June 03, 2014, 01:12:44 pm
Caleb,

I'm running the BT-20 on the front and BT-45 on the rear. It's a good combination for me, but keep in mind I don't ride that hard. I  use my bike mostly for daily commuting and some touring on the weekends, so wet/rough road performance is the most important thing to me and these tires deliver in that sense. They also deliver relatively long life. I know some prefer radials, but I have nothing but good things to say about the Bridgestones.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Coldfinger on June 03, 2014, 10:16:46 pm
I've got a few hundred miles on my BT45s and I wouldn't bet that I can tell the difference between them and radials (which I've always run up till now). 

I'm in Nebraska and haven't ridden with them on mtn type roads so can't attest to how they may feel when doing curvy roads.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: WanderingNAP on June 06, 2014, 04:35:31 pm
The Avons are awesome. Way better than the Dunlops in feel, on metal bridges, in the wet, and on the freeway.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Redbarron on June 12, 2014, 12:26:33 am
Well hear to report that the front 120 70 18 Avon Storm Ultra st is a close second so far to the Michelin PR3.  With the PR3 edging it out in regards to wet traction and flexability, but the PR3 is loud.  The Avon handles better turns in a little better and not as loud.

The Michelin Commander ll 150 80 16 rear is so far the scariest  >:D rear I have ever had on any bike in almost 30 years.
It is slippery as all hell but so far wear seems to be barely noticeable.

I like the Shinko 777 but it dry rots and wears out to soon.  Thinking trying out the BT45 for fall and winter riding.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Slybones on June 12, 2014, 02:52:53 am
The PR3 / BT45 is a good combo.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Open air on June 20, 2014, 03:34:25 pm
Tires?  so many different experiences.

My rear BT45 is almost done at 5000km (3000 mi).
BT45 has worked well, just not lasting. Driving to work and few day trips only.

I am looking at Shinko 777 for rear and mounted BT45 remaining on the front.

What do you think?
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: jettawreck on June 23, 2014, 07:17:25 pm
I bought a Shinko 777 rear and got it mounted up the other day. Runs smooth and straight and makes the whole ride feel better, smoother. The old Venom had worn a bit cupped and had sidewall weathering, so it was time. Don't know how the Shinko will last, but its on the C10 that I plan to sell later this year. I'll get some miles on it and decide if I want to mount one on the '05 that I plan to keep around. So far it's fine.
I'm sure it's not the BEST tire available (as per the thread title), but for the money I'm giving it a try. This way, I can decide or eliminate a couple choices for the next time around.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: ron203 on June 23, 2014, 09:51:23 pm
Tires?  so many different experiences.
My rear BT45 is almost done at 5000km (3000 mi).
BT45 has worked well, just not lasting. Driving to work and few day trips only.
I am looking at Shinko 777 for rear and mounted BT45 remaining on the front.
What do you think?

COGger Rock said on Saturday he likes his Shinko. How about posting up your  thoughts if you do that combo?If I do the Shinko, I'll have the same combo. I'm within a month or so of replacing my BT-045 rear. It's my second and okay, but for a supposedly dual compound, not giving the miles I thought I'd get. Maybe 5,500 when it's done.
Thanks!
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Slybones on June 24, 2014, 12:27:05 am
Tires?  so many different experiences.
My rear BT45 is almost done at 5000km (3000 mi).
BT45 has worked well, just not lasting. Driving to work and few day trips only.
I am looking at Shinko 777 for rear and mounted BT45 remaining on the front.
What do you think?

COGger Rock said on Saturday he likes his Shinko. How about posting up your  thoughts if you do that combo?If I do the Shinko, I'll have the same combo. I'm within a month or so of replacing my BT-045 rear. It's my second and okay, but for a supposedly dual compound, not giving the miles I thought I'd get. Maybe 5,500 when it's done.
Thanks!

My second PR3 front just arrived. My BT45 rear has a ways yet. But with all the positive feedback on the 777, better mileage and the nice price point looks like I might have to try the PR3 / 777 combo in about 4-5 months from now.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: connie_rider on July 05, 2014, 01:07:22 pm
At the national I had to put an ME 888 (rear) on my Connie for Lars.. (Traveler from Sweden that borrowed my 03)
I didn't get to ride the bike with it on, but he was impressed.

Need a front now. Thinking I will install the mating tire. Is anyone using these?
Thoughts?

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: SmokinRZ on July 24, 2014, 01:48:41 pm
At the national I had to put an ME 888 (rear) on my Connie for Lars.. (Traveler from Sweden that borrowed my 03)
I didn't get to ride the bike with it on, but he was impressed.

Need a front now. Thinking I will install the mating tire. Is anyone using these?
Thoughts?

Ride safe, Ted

I am on my third ME880 put on last year.  I must have missed the new 888 but I did notice the tire is now made in Brazil.  Seems to be a little softer and slightly smaller physically from the previous tires.  I think the bad rep for the 880 comes from the wing sized tires.  As a multi-state interstate bomber, I like the security of knowing there won't be any tread separation.  This is a sturdy tire for running a continuous 85mph in 100 degree weather loaded down.  I still like to run a spirited pace in the twisties so I run the Z6 up front.  I've never had any issues with this combination.         
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Ride&time on August 11, 2014, 01:10:37 am
I know many said changing from what came stock Dunlops 700 and 701 was a big improvement. I just went with them again. When I got my bike used I knew no different and thought this is just a touring bike. The new ones made a world of difference. I have no Idea how old the tires were that I removed or how good the previous owner was with keeping good air presure in them. They were half worn and I put about 7500 to 8000 on them. Probably average conditions and average riding (in my opinion) Those tires that came with my bike were not good, but the same tires new were much better. I do like sticking to radials, just me. I think looking at the tires for abnormal wear and potential future prroblems is important. Maybe more so than the brand. When I checcked the balance of the old tires it was bad. I mounted and balanced them myself this time much better. If you use a shop make sure its a good one.

Mark,  2006 concours
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: DamDan on August 14, 2014, 09:14:38 pm
After putting a few hundred on my first pair of Avons, I'm liking them but time ans more miles will tell. They were a little more money than the Dunlops but MAY be worth it. Again, time will tell.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Con Watcher on September 05, 2014, 05:21:46 pm
I am looking to replace the ancient Dunlop D205's that came on the C10 I got this summer and am trying to make a decision on what to get. There seems by what I am reading to be a general aversion to Dunlop tires on these bikes, although probably due to my ignorance and nothing to compare them to they have seemed fine to me. They actually aren't in too bad of shape but the date code is scary. I live in Western Washington so I need something that does well in the wet, most of my riding is my long commute on the freeway. If I ride exclusively my commuting is 1300 miles a month alone, so I would like to not replace tires every few months. It seems that probably the new Avon Storm 3d xm or a combo with shinko 777 rear may be the best choices with the shinko maybe having the advatage in tread life. Any other suggestions, words of wisdom, ect. Why the dislike of the Dunlops?
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: JimBob on September 05, 2014, 05:42:40 pm
Are there any number-cruncher/statisticians/liars here that can handle compiling a survey for tires?

Would seem a survey of a few metrics (granted some would be rather subjective) like dry and wet traction (on a scale), noise, responsiveness/turn-in/, resistance to road flaws, size used, etc, would produce a significant volume of data points from this group.

Properly constructed, even in an Excel spreadsheet it would be very informative.

Any math/research geeks out there? I'd be glad to put legwork into this (I have a perspective and analytical skills, but don't know how to properly construct a study).

Maybe we could start with the old tire spreadsheet as a base of tires.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Con Watcher on September 05, 2014, 06:23:26 pm
In going back and re-reading it looks like some people are getting good tread life out of the Bridgestone BT45's 10,000+ miles and some are getting far less on Bridgestone's are they different model tires or just from more aggressive use. Can a few that have the BT45's post the milage your getting on them and give an idea of how aggressively you ride. They seem like they might be another option for me, I had dismissed them because I saw several reports of them only lasting 5000ish miles. 
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: works4me on September 05, 2014, 08:10:13 pm
I can give a fair comparison between the BT-45 and 777.
My C-10 is my commuter and I ran them back to back.
Same bike, same roads, same commute with as few
variables thrown in as reasonably possible.
( I own other bikes for 2-up, long distance, etc. )
The BT-45 was completely done at 5500 miles.
The 777 will turn 10,000 miles next week and is
still not at the wear bars. I will likely finish out
the season with it.
I have been quite pleased and will definitely get another.
No surprises or disappointments with this one.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: ron203 on September 05, 2014, 10:33:49 pm
Just finished my second BT-45 rear and while I like them okay, both tires wore out between 6500 and 6800 miles. Might try the Shinko next summer/fall.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: DamDan on September 06, 2014, 07:46:45 pm
With two C-10s to ride, I have now been using the Avons on my '98 long enough that when I got back on my '06, which has the Dunlop K series tires, I must admit that the Avons feel better. Now, if I could just get the price down to the Dunlop level. LOL  Plus, we'll have to see about mileage.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Zenfab on September 08, 2014, 09:19:26 pm
Hi all!!!! Just did a 2106 km run and put avon storm frt and azaro rear much much better then my bt 45 and 20 ! Paid 424.00$ for the pair installed and balanced tax in and shopped around that was the best price I found in the province ! I ride 2 up 95% of the time and gotta say what a difference and got to try them on the rain so I'm a avon guy for now ;) sorry for grammar English is my 3 rd language
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Greenie on November 02, 2014, 12:15:45 pm
Hi all!!!! Just did a 2106 km run and put avon storm frt and azaro rear much much better then my bt 45 and 20 ! Paid 424.00$ for the pair installed and balanced tax in and shopped around that was the best price I found in the province ! I ride 2 up 95% of the time and gotta say what a difference and got to try them on the rain so I'm a avon guy for now ;) sorry for grammar English is my 3 rd language
I've had those tires on my C-10 for 3 years now(2 pairs), the front tire has 8K miles and is still fairly good, the rear tire let me down in Mexico with less than a 1,000 miles on it (the tire was out of round and I was unable to get the tire to Avon for inspection or warranty adjustments). Other than the premature failure the tires wear much slower than anything else I've tried and the tires handles very well.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Jo on November 03, 2014, 10:24:06 am
Ted, put a set of ME 888's just before the Vermont National rally..heavy rain to and from and variety of weather since...tires are wearing well... still going strong and  yes I have put on the miles.

Jo
central fl '01 connie
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: LessPaul on November 04, 2014, 05:24:39 pm
Mine is more FWIW observation than anything. But I know I'll be tire shopping eventually, so I'll throw this out there.

Bought my '86 Connie last fall. It has Avon Venoms, front and rear. They had about 1K on them when I bought the bike. They looked basically brand new. I've since put another 6K on them this season and they still look new to me. No cupping in the front, or squaring off in the rear.

As for my observations/evaluation, I really don't have anything to compare them to. This is my first bike in 35 years, and my only set of tires on the Connie to date. I really have nothing to complain about. They seem to ride just fine for normal commuting (50 miles/day) and the occasional camping trip. 99.99% of my riding is 1-up, and camping trips put another 70 lbs on the seat behind me. I'm 59, and this being my first bike in ages, am not very aggressive.....tho I do love a spirited (but conservative) run. I rode for about an hour this summer in heavy rain at highway speeds and never felt like I was in danger of losing traction.

I have nothing to complain about with these tires. I guess I won't know if I have anything to rave about until I try a different set.

I see from many comments that the Avon Venoms don't seem to last very long. I haven't measured tread depth after 7K yet, but they still look to have a lot of life left. Unless they go to hell in a bucket, I expect I'll get another season out of them.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Paulie on November 04, 2014, 06:18:43 pm
...
I see from many comments that the Avon Venoms don't seem to last very long.
...

Nope. Those comments are about the Avon radials, like the Azaro/Storm models. The Venom models are bias & last FAR longer. I use a rear Venom X 160/80-16 (for the GL1500 Wang)...and me likey!
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: ACISROC on November 11, 2014, 09:23:11 pm
Pirelli Sport Demons front and rear, Really nice tire, grips excellent in rain too!
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Uncle Rob on November 15, 2014, 02:30:19 pm
Just replaced the original Dunlops on my 2003 (7000 miles) with a 110 PR3 front and 150 Shinko 777 rear.  The rear Dunlop was to the wear bars, the front probably had a couple thousand left in it.  Both were hard as a rock but had no age cracks.  The rear developed a crack when I broke the bead on it.  It feels like I added power steering to the bike.  Much smoother turn in with the new tires.  Have not really pushed the bike with the new tires yet. 
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Strawboss on November 15, 2014, 11:01:23 pm
Just took off an azarro rear radial, around 13000 miles, it was spent, probably should have replaced it at 10,000 miles, guess I was used to wing size bias Metzlers. Replaced it with the new style/compound Storm ultraX 3-D, only put 100 miles on it in the last week, will know more next year, supposed to be the best thing since sliced toast. $144.00 to my front door.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Zorlac on November 16, 2014, 04:00:56 pm
supposed to be the best thing since sliced toast.
I tried gluing sliced toast to the rear rim once but wasn't all that impressed.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Rev Ryder on November 17, 2014, 05:13:48 pm
supposed to be the best thing since sliced toast.
I tried gluing sliced toast to the rear rim once but wasn't all that impressed.
Texas Toast unsliced is the ticket... may not be available in Joysie though.  :beerchug:


EDIT TO ADD:
You MUST use real buttah... no fake stuff.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Zorlac on November 17, 2014, 07:45:29 pm
Texas Toast unsliced is the ticket... may not be available in Joysie though.  :beerchug:
EDIT TO ADD:
You MUST use real buttah... no fake stuff.
Hmmm, what's wrong with this picture? :o
(http://i59.tinypic.com/2f06qgn.png)
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Zenfab on November 17, 2014, 07:47:12 pm
What do you guys prefer radial or bias ??? I ride 2 up at 95% of the time
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Zorlac on November 17, 2014, 08:26:06 pm
What do you guys prefer radial or bias ???
Both.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: works4me on November 17, 2014, 08:42:24 pm
One of each, actually.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Rev Ryder on November 17, 2014, 11:22:57 pm
Texas Toast unsliced is the ticket... may not be available in Joysie though.  :beerchug:
EDIT TO ADD:
You MUST use real buttah... no fake stuff.
Hmmm, what's wrong with this picture? :o
([url]http://i59.tinypic.com/2f06qgn.png[/url])

HOLY SAM HOUSTON!!!
1.  You don't put garlic on Texas Toast.
2.  New York City?!?!?   Git a rope.

http://youtu.be/res1kG3HOEk (http://youtu.be/res1kG3HOEk)
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Strawboss on November 18, 2014, 05:12:38 pm
The bike originally came with radials, I've used bias ply too, the bias tires seem to wear better obviously. I'm running the second radial rear, we'll see, but to answer your question, I can't tell the difference between the two other than wear.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: JC on November 23, 2014, 05:11:38 pm
Have BattLax now, think I'll try ME 880's next time.....
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: ACISROC on November 24, 2014, 07:38:54 pm
So... Pirelli's win, hands down.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: nic1965 on January 08, 2015, 01:01:23 am
This winter I will be replacing tires on my 86 for the first time. After much reading this is what i was thinking for 200 lb rider with full bags and almost empty trunk commuting and touring, or similar sized passenger with empty saddlebags on Sunday afternoon rides... Avon Cobra 150/80B16  load rating 77 with Michelin Pilot Road 3 -110/80/ZR18 up front. Was thinking that the Avon's 77 load rating would be good for my use, also liked that neither of these tires have a centerline either straight, ziggy or broken which I have found wear faster and start cupping. And yes my deceleration wobble is getting worse, I'm afraid to share my bike in case my friends get hurt. Last spring I replaced the head bearings so this winter Ill readjust them, full service on rear suspension just completed.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: nic1965 on January 18, 2015, 01:20:12 pm
or I might just get a set of Avon's new Storm 3-D XM's. I'm sure they would be great, I only use Avon for my Commando. My guess is the front will wear (cup) around the same rate as the rear wears out, but it's all just a guess. I guess.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Snowdog on February 09, 2015, 07:34:10 pm
86 run the stock dunlops get 10,000 out of the rear and more out of the front
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: LessPaul on February 13, 2015, 02:04:07 pm
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: SteveJ. on February 13, 2015, 02:47:29 pm
Gold Wing sizes are 160/80x16 rear, 130/70x18 front. The rear will change your gearing about 250rpm +/- at 80mph. The front will make the bike handle like a truck.

What I and some others use:

110/80x18 Michelin PR3 on front. I'm on my fifth one. Sweet handling and riding tire with excellent wet/dry grip, all the way to the end which will be at 11-13k miles.

150/80x16 Shinko777 on the rear. I'm on my fourth one. Slightly larger in diameter than most others resulting in about 150 fewer rpms at 80mph. Nice handling, good grip wet or dry, last about 10-13k miles.

This combo is obviously a mixture of radial and bias. This combo works very well for me and others. Bonus: the Shinko is only about $90 to your door.

Good Luck.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: LessPaul on February 13, 2015, 03:08:58 pm
Thanx, Steve.  What's the advantage to going with the larger tires? 2-up? Heavy loads?

BTW, my existing front Venom is a 100/80-18. That's 10 narrower than stock. Unusual?
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Rev Ryder on February 13, 2015, 05:08:28 pm
Thanx, Steve.  What's the advantage to going with the larger tires? 2-up? Heavy loads?
Wingsize tires get more miles per dollar.  Their larger circumference create about an 8% overdrive effect as well. They can carry heavier loads as well due to the heavier construction.  However, in my opinion, they ride like a truck and handle about the same.  Handling is substantially slowed down from the stock sizes, particularly up front where I believe the 130 wing tire is seriously oversized for C-10 rims. When Michelin Pilot GTs were available, they had quite a following.  The only wing tires I ever rode on were these and they are reupted to have been the best ones ever.  Discontinued and no longer available so....

This is all MY personal opinion of Wang Sized tyres and in no way represents anyone important's summation.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: SteveJ. on February 14, 2015, 04:49:42 pm
I'm kinda on board with the Rev. It's all disadvantage with the Wing size, unless you want the gearing change in the rear. IMO, not worth it for what you give up. Unless you seriously over load the bike, weight hauling is not an issue.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Slybones on February 14, 2015, 05:34:38 pm
IMO Wing size tires have a big advantage in mileage. As Rev said get more miles per dollar. In addition to the gearing change, they are way more stable. They don't track tar snakes, pavement grooves, etc near as bad as the smaller tires. -- Yes they do steer slower and are a bit harder on the pot holes. But some models ( not all ) have plenty good traction. So once you get them leaned over, they can carve a line pretty good. Just takes a lot more effort on the bars.

But all it all it depends on your need and riding style. There are plenty of people who use their Connie for freeway commuting and general moderate pace rides. For these folks they you don't give up that much ( you are not riding hard in the twisties ) , and you gain a lot in mileage and stability. This could easily be worth the trade off for some people.

Myself I have the PR3/777 combo. Been using the PR3/BT45 combo for a while, and just now went to the 777 on the last rear tire change.  But that is based on my desires. Depending on your needs and riding pace, Wing tires are not a bad choice for some.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Yosef on February 15, 2015, 04:08:32 pm
Anyone got a good link for the PR3 Front and 777 Rear tires?  Who's found the best price and best service lately?  Seeing a lot of old links and expired sales.

Just getting started searching for myself.  Will post what I find.

http://www.bikebandit.com/tires-tubes/motorcycle-tires/michelin-pilot-road-3-motorcycle-tire?b=2800397 (http://www.bikebandit.com/tires-tubes/motorcycle-tires/michelin-pilot-road-3-motorcycle-tire?b=2800397)

http://www.bikebandit.com/tires-tubes/street-tires/t11ce7qc (http://www.bikebandit.com/tires-tubes/street-tires/t11ce7qc)

http://www.jpcycles.com/product/ZZ26283 (http://www.jpcycles.com/product/ZZ26283)

Right now between those two links, free shipping and whatnot, it should total $222.46
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: SteveJ. on February 15, 2015, 05:12:52 pm
Anyone got a good link for the PR3 Front and 777 Rear tires?  Who's found the best price and best service lately?  Seeing a lot of old links and expired sales.

Just getting started searching for myself.  Will post what I find.

[url]http://www.bikebandit.com/tires-tubes/motorcycle-tires/michelin-pilot-road-3-motorcycle-tire?b=2800397[/url] ([url]http://www.bikebandit.com/tires-tubes/motorcycle-tires/michelin-pilot-road-3-motorcycle-tire?b=2800397[/url])

[url]http://www.bikebandit.com/tires-tubes/street-tires/t11ce7qc[/url] ([url]http://www.bikebandit.com/tires-tubes/street-tires/t11ce7qc[/url])

[url]http://www.jpcycles.com/product/ZZ26283[/url] ([url]http://www.jpcycles.com/product/ZZ26283[/url])

Right now between those two links, free shipping and whatnot, it should total $222.46
Google is your friend. In the past, I've found the best price on the PR3 at Dennis Kirk.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Rev Ryder on February 15, 2015, 06:28:44 pm
Shinko 777 rear 150/80-16  $83.87 free shipping
PR3 front 110/80-18   $128.71 free shipping
Both at www.americanmototire.com (http://www.americanmototire.com)
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: SteveJ. on February 15, 2015, 07:07:28 pm
Thanks Rev. I'm needing a new Shinko soon.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Cannothas on February 16, 2015, 11:28:27 pm
I'm not sure what the best tire on the rear is, but I know one I'll never put on again:  >:( :'(

I got one of those Roadriders in stock size from the Motorcycle Superstore and it started getting the cracking problem on me.

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-T3LlGXawVEY/VKCef1HwcFI/AAAAAAAAZlo/ra9XcHQ8A4c/w591-h788-no/IMG_0980.JPG)

Turns out that tire manufacturers and tire salesmen don't like giving warranties on the crap they sell you, so if I can assist your tire choices, please take the roadriders off your list.

(I love the tire for the tire, if there was no cracking I'd have a rave review about it, but Motorcycle Superstore is making this more painful to me than it needs to be).
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: goatmar on February 17, 2015, 05:49:06 pm
17"  :-[
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: mtkseattle on March 01, 2015, 08:21:24 pm
It looks like we're about 5 years down the road from where this post started, but I'm looking to buy a 2005 CL10, front tire is new (Michelin) but can't find the matching one for the rear (currently Dunlop on the back).  I'm most concerned because the front is radial and I assume just as with cars, we don't won't to mix Radial and Bias ply, however looks like many of the rear options are Bias ply.

I'm kinda leaning towards an Avon for the rear, at least preserving the Radial/Radial balance.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Zorlac on March 02, 2015, 04:32:19 pm
I'm most concerned because the front is radial and I assume just as with cars, we don't won't to mix Radial and Bias ply.
Have you perused all 22 pages of this thread?
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: SteveJ. on March 02, 2015, 08:45:11 pm
I'm most concerned because the front is radial and I assume just as with cars, we don't won't to mix Radial and Bias ply.
Have you perused all 22 pages of this thread?

Or at least some of them? It's all in there.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Jim Snyder on March 03, 2015, 01:26:32 am
I'm not sure what the best tire on the rear is, but I know one I'll never put on again:  >:( :'(

I got one of those Roadriders in stock size from the Motorcycle Superstore and it started getting the cracking problem on me.

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-T3LlGXawVEY/VKCef1HwcFI/AAAAAAAAZlo/ra9XcHQ8A4c/w591-h788-no/IMG_0980.JPG)

Turns out that tire manufacturers and tire salesmen don't like giving warranties on the crap they sell you, so if I can assist your tire choices, please take the roadriders off your list.

(I love the tire for the tire, if there was no cracking I'd have a rave review about it, but Motorcycle Superstore is making this more painful to me than it needs to be).

I have run two sets of the AM 26 Roadriders from MSS with no issues. Those must have been in the warehouse for quite a while.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: nic1965 on March 07, 2015, 07:47:50 am
Well I heard one too many problems with Avon tires, altho I had 6 on my Norton that I loved...
For the much heavier C10 with accesories and a big trunk I finally decided to try Michelin.
PilotRoad3 and Commander 2 in stock sizes.
So that's a premium sport touring front radial / reinforced cruiser rear bias combo.
Excited to be rid of Metzler ME junk. Nervous about this expensive choice.
Updates to follow.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: nic1965 on March 10, 2015, 08:32:30 pm
Canads Motorcycle sent the tires right away.
Date codes are from Aug 2014, for both.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: dan4aspen on March 11, 2015, 04:13:04 pm
I just purchased a set of Pirelli Sport Demons from Motorcycle Superstore for $212 and change for both front and rear this morning.  When you see the prices in cart, when you check out, use code on main page, and you get an extra 5% off when you pay, giving you the 212 and change price, with free shipping.  Chaparall Motorsports has the Avon Storm 3D XN's for $246.76 for both.  Almost bought those, until I read about ball bearing feel on highway posted a few days ago.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: VenturaHwy on March 19, 2015, 03:33:30 pm
Hi Y'all

I was looking online at tires today and notice that the "Michelin Pilot GT" is listed any more, and the replacement GT line doesn't list a 16" rear tire. So what's a fellow going to do? I'm not a Dunlop fan! I'm open for suggestions from the group.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: RodWpg on March 19, 2015, 03:36:16 pm
michelin pilot road 3 front 110/80zr18.....michelin commander II cruiser rear tire
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Rev Ryder on March 19, 2015, 08:23:11 pm
Just got in a new 3D XM Avon for the back of my 06 bike to go with the Storm 2 Ultra on front.  Both are stock 110/80-18 and 150/80-16 sizes.  This will be my first try with the new XM.  I have a little less confidence in this tire going in than in the old Azaro.  WE'll see how I like it soon enough.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: nic1965 on March 21, 2015, 04:05:15 am
michelin pilot road 3 front 110/80zr18.....michelin commander II cruiser rear tire
So yeah, I just had the same set installed on my '86. I'm sure the front tire will be perfect. Just hoping the rear was a good choice. What is your opinion of it, so far ?
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Zorlac on March 21, 2015, 05:18:46 am
I've had a Michelin commander II on the rear for awhile now and it's hands down the best commuter tire I've tried since the pilot GT's went away.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: RodWpg on March 21, 2015, 11:19:42 am
michelin pilot road 3 front 110/80zr18.....michelin commander II cruiser rear tire
So yeah, I just had the same set installed on my '86. I'm sure the front tire will be perfect. Just hoping the rear was a good choice. What is your opinion of it, so far ?

I don't have these tires....yet....I was just replying to the post above mine who was asking what michelins he could buy. Someone said they weren't happy at all with their performance on wet. After watching Rick's videos travelling across the country on them twice and slogging thru alaska mud and still buying another pair when he replaced them I gotta think if they are good for him they would be good for me.....I dunno :/
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Cannothas on March 30, 2015, 04:20:08 pm

I have run two sets of the AM 26 Roadriders from MSS with no issues. Those must have been in the warehouse for quite a while.

Turned out the date-code was from December of 2012, I purchased it in August 2014.
I went to AmericanMotoTire.com and got a Storm 3D XM for $143 to replace it and I'll fight with Avon for the warranty on the Roadrider. (I'll post the results of the warranty in my other thread where I asked about the Cobra AV72)
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Mike on March 31, 2015, 07:05:34 pm
Just took off an azarro rear radial, around 13000 miles, it was spent, probably should have replaced it at 10,000 miles, guess I was used to wing size bias Metzlers. Replaced it with the new style/compound Storm ultraX 3-D, only put 100 miles on it in the last week, will know more next year, supposed to be the best thing since sliced toast. $144.00 to my front door.
Any report on the Storm ultraX 3-D
Did you use the front or rear?
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Rebel Longhorn on April 01, 2015, 03:35:12 am
After reading all (many) of the posts, the tire issue seems incredibly complex.  I just obtained through a trade a 2001 C10 and the tires are Michelin Commander II (130-70-18 front, 150-80-16 rear) 5/32 front and 8/32 rear manufactured in December of 2013.  I am a novice rider, not overly aggressive and keep speeds at or below 70.  Are the 130s on the front too oversized?  My mileage will be less than 5,000 per year, so I may hit an age limit before I hit the wear out mileage limit.  Is 4 years about the maximum age I should let the tires go before replacement?  I know that 1/32 is the recommended limit, but Louisiana gets lots of rain and roads are not the best.  Should I change out at maybe a more conservative 3/32?  Is it best to change both tires at the same time with like model tires?  In relative terms, the tires are one of the least expensive operating costs for the bike.  ($0.01 / mile)
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Zorlac on April 01, 2015, 04:57:12 am
Are the 130s on the front too oversized? (I think they would be)  Is 4 years about the maximum age I should let the tires go before replacement? (Some would if they seem hard & less grippy)  I know that 1/32 is the recommended limit, but Louisiana gets lots of rain and roads are not the best.  Should I change out at maybe a more conservative 3/32? (If it feels squirrelly when it's wet probably)  Is it best to change both tires at the same time with like model tires? (I don't, I mix & match change em when they're done)
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Slybones on April 01, 2015, 05:20:51 pm
A 130/70-18 is the stock size tire for a GL1500 and often referred to as "Wing" size on the forum. The 130/70 in a bias ply tire ( which GL1500 and most Cruiser tires in that size ) will fit on a 3.0" rim which the Connie has on a 94-06 model. Its too big for the older 86-93 front wheels. These tires will steer slower, requiring more handle bar input to get them to turn. On the other hand they tend to be much more stable, tracking straighter and wandering less over tar snakes and grooves. They also get way better mileage. Like many tires traction varies depending on MFG / Model. Some models have plenty good traction for non-aggressive riders, great mileage and nice stable ride. They can be a good choice for some.

In the car world, I believe 6 years is the limit. I don't think any of the tire shops around here will even rotate tires, they won't touch them period past 6 years. For M/C's I might be more conservative. Do you know how to read the date code on tires?

Opposed to the 1/32, 2/32 thing I would run them to the wear bars. Maybe change slightly early of the wear bars. For the wet weather I try to not run past the wear bars. I would change them according to the wear bars and/or age which ever comes first.

I too mix and match tires. If we have the luxury of tons of tire choices for the C10 I would stick with matched sets. But since we have so little choices in that regard, I have mixed MFG's, AND mix bias and radials with the taboo Radial Front, Bias Rear.  -- I currently have PR3 front, 777 Rear combination.

At 15K front, 10K rear typical mileage I tend to change them independently.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Mike on April 01, 2015, 05:50:25 pm
A 130/70-18 is the stock size tire for a GL1500 and often referred to as "Wing" size on the forum. The 130/70 in a bias ply tire ( which GL1500 and most Cruiser tires in that size ) will fit on a 3.0" rim which the Connie has on a 94-06 model. Its too big for the older 86-93 front wheels. These tires will steer slower, requiring more handle bar input to get them to turn. On the other hand they tend to be much more stable, tracking straighter and wandering less over tar snakes and grooves. They also get way better mileage. Like many tires traction varies depending on MFG / Model. Some models have plenty good traction for non-aggressive riders, great mileage and nice stable ride. They can be a good choice for some.

In the car world, I believe 6 years is the limit. I don't think any of the tire shops around here will even rotate tires, they won't touch them period past 6 years. For M/C's I might be more conservative. Do you know how to read the date code on tires?

Opposed to the 1/32, 2/32 thing I would run them to the wear bars. Maybe change slightly early of the wear bars. For the wet weather I try to not run past the wear bars. I would change them according to the wear bars and/or age which ever comes first.

I too mix and match tires. If we have the luxury of tons of tire choices for the C10 I would stick with matched sets. But since we have so little choices in that regard, I have mixed MFG's, AND mix bias and radials with the taboo Radial Front, Bias Rear.  -- I currently have PR3 front, 777 Rear combination.

At 15K front, 10K rear typical mileage I tend to change them independently.
Slybones, perfectly said.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Crashcup on April 08, 2015, 05:40:23 pm
I was happy to see this info gathered into one thread... my 2005 needs tires, and all the info here has been helpful for me to catch up on the latest recommendations.

I did read someone asking about "geeking this out" (or something to that effect). That kind of describes me. Whether I'm looking for tires, a GPS unit, or a tablesaw, I typically do a lot of research and try to gather together all that info in one place for easy comparison. Usually that means an Excel spreadsheet.

Attached is my updated tire comparison workbook, FWIW. It's far from complete. But if anyone finds this useful and wants to pick this up to add more info, I'd be happy to answer questions or help out. I just can't see having enough time to continually maintain it.

Thanks again, COG and COGgers for pushing me in the right direction!  (BTW, just ordered the Avon Storm 3D X-Ms in the stock C10 sizes.)
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: RodWpg on April 08, 2015, 06:38:28 pm
can't view that without 'office'
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Rev Ryder on April 08, 2015, 07:09:01 pm
can't view that without 'office'

Here ya go.
(http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b553/RevRyder/Tire%20Data_zpskgxftbvv.jpg)
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: ACISROC on April 08, 2015, 08:21:45 pm
Thanks, I will take two Pirelli sport demons, After I wear these out in 4 years!
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: SteveJ. on April 08, 2015, 09:57:32 pm
Noted the price comparo. Cool. Thanx.

I've done business with Rocky Mountain ATV before, no issues. I intend to order up a new 777 plus a tire or two for the KLR from them, soon.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: VisionDonNebr on April 09, 2015, 12:28:01 pm
I see the Avon 3D X-M is in the 120/70ZR18, seems like we pretty much figured out that is just a bit oversized?  Same as the original Dunlap's?  Otherwise were I to buy tires today I could go with Rocky Mountain Avon front, 777 rear......seems like we had a post on this before......??  Of course that is assuming Rocky Mt is free shipping on an over $100.00 order, they all seem to be that way.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Rev Ryder on April 09, 2015, 02:48:48 pm
I see the Avon 3D X-M is in the 120/70ZR18, seems like we pretty much figured out that is just a bit oversized?  Same as the original Dunlap's?  Otherwise were I to buy tires today I could go with Rocky Mountain Avon front, 777 rear......seems like we had a post on this before......??  Of course that is assuming Rocky Mt is free shipping on an over $100.00 order, they all seem to be that way.


Here's the Storm 3D XM in the 110/80-18 size.
http://www.americanmototire.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=33_61_1079&products_id=6594 (http://www.americanmototire.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=33_61_1079&products_id=6594)
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Mike on April 10, 2015, 02:08:28 pm
Just got in a new 3D XM Avon for the back ( how's that back tire doing ) of my 06 bike to go with the Storm 2 Ultra on front.  Both are stock 110/80-18 and 150/80-16 sizes.  This will be my first try with the new XM.  I have a little less confidence in this tire going in than in the old Azaro.  WE'll see how I like it soon enough.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Bob on April 12, 2015, 02:32:03 am
After reading every page of this over the last week or two I just installed a Shinko 777 on the rear of my '86 today.  It was $88.49 shipped from Revzilla and arrived in 3 days.  This is the first non Dunlop this particular Connie has had.  Between the cost and the being worn out in 5k miles I just couldn't do another stock Dunlop. 

Thanks for everyone sharing their experiences here.  I'm looking forward to getting 1500 miles on my new 'economy' tire next weekend in NW AR.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Mike on April 12, 2015, 03:28:42 am
Well, i think I'm done. Two sets of Avon 3D X-M stock sizes left me with a unsettling ride above 50. I decided to try one last thing since Avon's specs showed the 120 70ZR 18 fit a 3 1/2" rim, I got a 110 80ZR 18 for a 3" rim (which we have) and tried it with an old E3 bias ply on the rear. The speedo was 1.5% slow but seemed pretty steady last nite.
Today, I put the  150 80ZR 16 on the rear and rode it this evening. Everything seems OK with easier turn ins, but not as stable as E3 or Venom bias plys.
So Avon has a matched set of radials 110 80ZR 18 front and 120 70ZR 18 rear that will work.
If you want a long lasting (15k mile) tire that steers and rides like a truck and really stable, get the Dunlop ELITE 3 (not DUNLOP AMERICAN ELITE, it's not the same) in Goldwing sizes DUNLOP ELITE 3 130/70B-18 M/C 63H, FRONT  and DUNLOP ELITE 3 160/80B-16 M/C 80H, REAR (MULTI TREAD)
This took over two months and 70 emails to find the problem. Avon has not admitted a size problem. A forum monitor pointed it out to the the factory rep months ago. They knew but never suggested the cure for 'riding on marbles'.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: ron203 on April 12, 2015, 12:45:07 pm
There's an article on the Avons in the current (May) issue of Rider magazine.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Mike on April 12, 2015, 01:24:52 pm
There's an article on the Avons in the current (May) issue of Rider magazine.
Couldn't find it. Do you have a link?
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: ron203 on April 12, 2015, 01:29:05 pm
Mike, it was on pg 110 of the paper issue. I'll see if I can find a link for you.
Ron

Mike-didn't find it either. I guess they lag the paper copy with the online posting to encourage subscription. Sorry.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Rev Ryder on April 13, 2015, 11:28:44 am
Just got in a new 3D XM Avon for the back ( how's that back tire doing ) of my 06 bike to go with the Storm 2 Ultra on front.  Both are stock 110/80-18 and 150/80-16 sizes.  This will be my first try with the new XM.  I have a little less confidence in this tire going in than in the old Azaro.  WE'll see how I like it soon enough.
Finally put it in and rode about 700 miles this weekend.  It did fine for me.  Not overly confidence inspiring just comfortable, but then I did half of my riding or more on wet roads or in the rain so never really pushed it.  It never slipped a bit and felt predictable enough..  The wiggle is there in turbulent air (behind trucks) but that is just gonna be there IMHO due to Connie's big plastics and relatively small tire size.  Never felt unsettled and I rode some distance up to 115 mph without issue.  Rode a lot of rain grooves and reground highway too , but it didn't follow the lines as badly as most tires.  That was nice.  So far I have no complaints. 
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: mnbikeguy on April 13, 2015, 11:47:34 am
If you want a long lasting (15k mile) tire that steers and rides like a truck and really stable, get the Dunlop ELITE 3 (not DUNLOP AMERICAN ELITE, it's not the same) in Goldwing sizes DUNLOP ELITE 3 130/70B-18 M/C 63H, FRONT  and DUNLOP ELITE 3 160/80B-16 M/C 80H, REAR (MULTI TREAD)

I have these on mine and really like them a lot. They feel very predictable on multiple surfaces and track extremely well through the corners (just pick a line and go). Hope Dunlop keeps making these.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Ultrarunner on April 13, 2015, 12:56:21 pm
I'm hesitant to jump into a tire thread when I'm so new to this forum.....  but, I just purchased a 95 Connie the other day, which came with Avon Azaros front and rear, which the PO said he put on 4 years ago- mileage average was 2000 a year, according to him.  Tires look great- a lot of tread, no cracking, nothing.  And they have felt fine (better than fine- very solid).  Well, date code says rear is from 2004, front is from 2003.  I expect that the date code doesn't lie, but the tires sure do look good.  Now I'm paranoid to ride the bike at all.

So, I just ordered a pair of Avon Storm 3Ds, front and rear, stock sizes.  I hope I like them.  I have been using Dunlops on my current daily driver (77 GL1000), but have not been happy with them at all.  After I went through the last one in 4600 miles, I decided I would pay the premium for high quality tires.  That, and I expect to put on more than 10,000 miles in the next year, and I would rather not replace tires any more often.  Thus the Avons.  Sure hope that I like them.  I did pay a bit too much- wish I had seen Crashcup's spreadsheet, but I did price them, and eventually went with MC Superstore because they had them in stock- everyplace else I checked said the rear wouldn't ship until early May.  Of course, I've never heard of Rocky Mtn. ATV, so.....
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Mike on April 13, 2015, 01:21:35 pm
I'm hesitant to jump into a tire thread when I'm so new to this forum.....  but, I just purchased a 95 Connie the other day, which came with Avon Azaros front and rear, which the PO said he put on 4 years ago- mileage average was 2000 a year, according to him.  Tires look great- a lot of tread, no cracking, nothing.  And they have felt fine (better than fine- very solid).  Well, date code says rear is from 2004, front is from 2003.  I expect that the date code doesn't lie, but the tires sure do look good.  Now I'm paranoid to ride the bike at all.
(Wow! those tires are old if you read the code right!
[url]http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=11[/url]
Tires Manufactured Since 2000

Since 2000, the week and year the tire was produced has been provided by the last four digits of the Tire Identification Number with the 2 digits being used to identify the week immediately preceding the 2 digits used to identify the year.

Example of a tire manufactured since 2000 with the current Tire Identification Number format:
DOT U2LL LMLR 5107    
51    Manufactured during the 51st week of the year
07    Manufactured during 2007



So, I just ordered a pair of Avon Storm 3Ds, front and rear, stock sizes. 
( I had a problem with the stock size 120 70zr 18 because it was for a 3.5" rim. I cured it by replacing it with a 110 80zr 18. The 120 is too big for your rim. [url]http://www.avon-tyres.co.uk/motorcycle/storm-3d-x-m[/url]  ...)   
I hope I like them.  I have been using Dunlops on my current daily driver (77 GL1000), but have not been happy with them at all.  After I went through the last one in 4600 miles, I decided I would pay the premium for high quality tires.  That, and I expect to put on more than 10,000 miles in the next year, and I would rather not replace tires any more often.  Thus the Avons.  Sure hope that I like them.  I did pay a bit too much- wish I had seen Crashcup's spreadsheet, but I did price them, and eventually went with MC Superstore because they had them in stock- everyplace else I checked said the rear wouldn't ship until early May.  Of course, I've never heard of Rocky Mtn. ATV, so.....
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Rev Ryder on April 13, 2015, 01:30:11 pm
Hasn't been an Azaro front (for the ZG1000) made in awhile. Since that time we've seen what... STORMS, STORM ULTRAS, STORM ULTRA I Is, STORM ULTRA 3Ds, and now the STORM ULTRA 3D XMs. Yep, been awhile. I'm happy to hear you're changing them out.  :great:
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Ultrarunner on April 13, 2015, 02:02:33 pm
I really wanted that "0" to look like a "1" on the date code, but as hard as I try, it's still a "0".  Thanks for the heads up on the front sizing - cancelled the order on the front - maybe I'll be able to save a few dollars as well.  I'm anxious to get them on so I can ride!
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: nic1965 on April 15, 2015, 11:16:56 pm
I finally decided to try Michelin.
PilotRoad3 and Commander 2 in stock sizes.
So that's a premium sport touring front radial / reinforced cruiser rear bias combo.
Excited to be rid of Metzler ME junk. Nervous about this expensive choice.
Updates to follow.
Tires are mounted and look great, PR3 front required NO weights to balance, Commander2 rear needed 3 chicklets.
no dots on the tires to line up valve stems, the shop foreman said the better made tires don't need them anymore...the front tire will loose a few pounds of air between rides, might have to have it remounted,,,
After 2 short rides and 2 afternoon rides, I'm happy. Bike handles great with no wobble or headshake. Have not been out in the rain yet tho.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: The Dude on May 04, 2015, 07:49:37 am
I couldn't help but notice that this discussion mostly addresses stock tire sizes (16" rear and 18" fronts).  And that lovely spreadsheet that someone generously built contained no info on 17" rubber.

I bought an '02 a few months ago, and I am in the process of converting both wheels to 17".  Is it safe to assume that the described characteristics of 16 and 18 inch tires will apply to the 17" equivalents?

I've read enough here to know that mixing biases is not a big deal.  But given that I'm buying both tires at the same time, wouldn't it be better to buy a matched set? 

FWIW, I weigh 225, and I am not an aggressive rider (though I want to be).  I hope to take 1-2 medium/long distance solo trips per year.  The rest of my miles are spent on occasional commutes and weekend day/joy rides.  Tires are likely to expire by date than by mileage for me.  Having said all that, can someone out there recommend their favorite choice for 17" tires?  Or should I just make my choice based on the information for 16"/18" tires?
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Pbfoot on May 04, 2015, 11:43:36 pm
Dude- I am running Dunlop Roadsmart 2 front and rear - 120/70 front, 160/70 rear. I really like these tires but find the front very noisy on these rough Texas roads. The front tread on the Roadsmart has very aggressive rain grooves. I may try something else next time.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: ACISROC on May 05, 2015, 12:13:37 am
Dano 44 I have heard that all the cool people only ride the best..Pirelli sport demons front and rear, Nice grip and good wear, great in the rain >:D
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: SteveJ. on May 14, 2015, 10:58:36 pm
I couldn't help but notice that this discussion mostly addresses stock tire sizes (16" rear and 18" fronts).  And that lovely spreadsheet that someone generously built contained no info on 17" rubber.

I bought an '02 a few months ago, and I am in the process of converting both wheels to 17".  Is it safe to assume that the described characteristics of 16 and 18 inch tires will apply to the 17" equivalents?

I've read enough here to know that mixing biases is not a big deal.  But given that I'm buying both tires at the same time, wouldn't it be better to buy a matched set? 

FWIW, I weigh 225, and I am not an aggressive rider (though I want to be).  I hope to take 1-2 medium/long distance solo trips per year.  The rest of my miles are spent on occasional commutes and weekend day/joy rides.  Tires are likely to expire by date than by mileage for me.  Having said all that, can someone out there recommend their favorite choice for 17" tires?  Or should I just make my choice based on the information for 16"/18" tires?
Michelin PR4, PR3, PR2, in that order.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: LessPaul on May 15, 2015, 12:24:18 pm
Just got off the phone with a local, private bike repair shop. Wanted to get his mount/balance price if I brought the tires & wheels in to him. Asked me what I was going with for tires. I figured I'd go with the "consensus" here - Michelin PR3 front and Shinko 777 rear.

His disdain for the Shinko was palpable. Like he wasn't sure he'd even agree to mount it.

"Junk. Absolute junk."

And he owns the '03 Connie I see parked outside his shop.

Why the hate, ya think?

Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: CRocker on May 15, 2015, 01:27:16 pm
Just got off the phone with a local, private bike repair shop. Wanted to get his mount/balance price if I brought the tires & wheels in to him. Asked me what I was going with for tires. I figured I'd go with the "consensus" here - Michelin PR3 front and Shinko 777 rear.

His disdain for the Shinko was palpable. Like he wasn't sure he'd even agree to mount it.

"Junk. Absolute junk."

And he owns the '03 Connie I see parked outside his shop.

Why the hate, ya think?

Old opinions are difficult to get away from...I remember getting some Shinkos when I was a parts manager...20 years ago...and they were junk!  Then they buy Yokohama's motorcycle technology...apply it to their product line...and, a few years later, they are competetive in the bike tire marketplace...

But, first impressions are difficult to leave behind...

I have Shinkos front and rear on my bike...and, there's a 17" Verge 2X waiting to be mounted on my MS wheel...I have no problems running their tires.

Years ago I can remember being at Daytona for Bike Week and hearing this new brand of motorcycle tire called
"Dun-flops"...how time and improvement changes things!

Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Zorlac on May 16, 2015, 01:02:12 pm
Just got off the phone with a local, private bike repair shop. Wanted to get his mount/balance price if I brought the tires & wheels in to him. Asked me what I was going with for tires. I figured I'd go with the "consensus" here - Michelin PR3 front and Shinko 777 rear.
Ask him for a price on the Michelin Commander 2 rear & the PR3 front.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Rev Ryder on May 16, 2015, 01:20:25 pm
I figured I'd go with the "consensus" here - Michelin PR3 front and Shinko 777 rear.

There can be no consensus in a tire thread...why that's just plain un-American.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: jettawreck on May 16, 2015, 01:24:03 pm
I figured I'd go with the "consensus" here - Michelin PR3 front and Shinko 777 rear.

There can be no consensus in a tire thread...why that's just plain un-American.

Yeah, why can't there be a clear winner like there is with oil?? ;)
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: AriBklyn on May 25, 2015, 02:43:17 pm
Want to replace the front Dunflop 120/70 18 the PO put on. About 3,000 miles on them but after a 300 mile day yesterday found them to be very twitchy/wiggly. Gotta say it pierced my confidence a bit.

Anyway, I'm having a hard time finding the Avon Storm 2 Ultra or the Venoms in that size tire or preferably the OEM 110/80 18. Anyone have a line on where I can find them? I checked several vendors and couldn't find them.
Thanks,   
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: connie_rider on May 25, 2015, 03:16:50 pm
Can't answer that right now. But I have a more basic question.

Does anyone (other than Avon) make a radial for the 16" rear wheel on a Connie?
I think everyone (except Avon) has stopped production of 16" radials.. (gloom)

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: RodWpg on May 25, 2015, 03:22:10 pm
Can't answer that right now. But I have a more basic question.

Does anyone (other than Avon) make a radial for the 16" rear wheel on a Connie?
I think everyone (except Avon) has stopped production of 16" radials.. (gloom)

Ride safe, Ted

dunlop
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: RodWpg on May 25, 2015, 03:46:13 pm
I have the dunlop E3 ....I know dunlop seems to be a dirty word here but I have no complaints. However, my bike came with them so I have nothing to compare it to, and not too many curves around here. Funny, a customer of mine says goldwing owners on his forum love dunlops.
here is a link
http://www.dunlopmotorcycle.com/tire-catalog/road/touring/elite-3/ (http://www.dunlopmotorcycle.com/tire-catalog/road/touring/elite-3/)
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Ranger Jim on May 25, 2015, 03:58:26 pm
I've run many a mile on the Dunlop Elite 3 Radials on my GL1800. In looking at the sizes available it appears they are at least 30mm wider than the stock size called for on a C10. ???

The dearth of manufacturers for "stock" sized tires is what is causing me to go to the Mean Streak conversion (in the works as I type this). I'm sick of not being able to get tires (been waiting 2 weeks so far  >:( )
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: RodWpg on May 25, 2015, 04:27:46 pm
I've run many a mile on the Dunlop Elite 3 Radials on my GL1800. In looking at the sizes available it appears they are at least 30mm wider than the stock size called for on a C10. ???


I see that my front is a 130 grrrr sad face. Dunlop does make a roadsmart in a 110, but that's not what I have, wonder how it would be to put a roadsmart on the front and e3 on the back.

http://www.dunlopmotorcycle.com/tire-catalog/sport-trackday-race/sport-touring/roadsmart-ii/ (http://www.dunlopmotorcycle.com/tire-catalog/sport-trackday-race/sport-touring/roadsmart-ii/)

http://www.dunlopmotorcycle.com/tire-catalog/road/touring/elite-3/ (http://www.dunlopmotorcycle.com/tire-catalog/road/touring/elite-3/)

Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: RodWpg on June 04, 2015, 08:37:06 pm
I was Wrong  ::) Dunlop does NOT make a matched set of radials for this bike.....the rear E3 radial is apparently too big, They do make a E3 bias which fits the rear, and a roadsmart II radial which is correct size for the front......and that is as close as you get for dunlops .....so sorry if I caused confusion.

if I am still wrong talk to Camper Dave
J/k
if I'm wrong let me know so I can apologize again :/
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: works4me on June 05, 2015, 12:39:33 am
I was Wrong  ::) Dunlop does NOT make a matched set of radials for this bike.....the rear E3 radial is apparently too big, They do make a E3 bias which fits the rear, and a roadsmart II radial which is correct size for the front......and that is as close as you get for dunlops .....so sorry if I caused confusion.

if I am still wrong talk to Camper Dave
J/k
if I'm wrong let me know so I can apologize again :/

I reckon you'd be right if it wasn't for the K701/700G combo.  ;D
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: RodWpg on June 05, 2015, 01:02:05 am
oooooo I missed that one! thanx, altho it is a 120 front as opposed to 110 it would work, odd looking tires and they don't tell you anything about them on the dunlop website
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Slybones on June 05, 2015, 07:18:26 pm
oooooo I missed that one! thanx, altho it is a 120 front as opposed to 110 it would work, odd looking tires and they don't tell you anything about them on the dunlop website

If you look a the specs that 120 is only as wide as a 110. That is whats so screwed up about this whole thing.  Using them calculators 110mm = 4.33", 120mm = 4.72". That Dunflop 120 is only 4.37 inches wide according to their site back when the posted it. Its only .04 wider than a 110 and no where near 120. It is designed for a 3.0" wheel the Connie has. It is designed for the Connie.  So yes that one fits. -- Problem is now the manual says 120, people see 120 and go buy 120 radial tires that are higher performance, newer design, etc. All these regular 120 radial tires are 4.7x in size and designed for 3.5" wheel min.  -- So essentially Mamma K screwed us all up by spec'ing and getting Dunlop to produce this bastardized tire.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Old OutLaw on June 07, 2015, 03:17:34 pm
am curious if any of you have tried the Michelin Commander II's on BOTH ends.....
they make a 130/70x18 for the front, and I'm wondering if these would slow down and take the
wind wobbles - wandering on the road groove  wiggles out of the Connie..... I know it would be an
oversize tire for the front, and have read that it would help some...?

bike is a '95 so it has the wider front wheel....

I'm old (67), and am not going very fast around the corners anymore.... I should add that I'll be carrying my Wife of 47 years with me sometimes, so stability is paramount....if it was slow and predictable, I'd be happy ?

whaddya think ?

Skip
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: RodWpg on June 07, 2015, 09:05:26 pm
130 on the front has been said by wiser men than I, that the bike drives poorly.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: ACISROC on June 07, 2015, 09:40:01 pm
am curious if any of you have tried the Michelin Commander II's on BOTH ends.....
they make a 130/70x18 for the front, and I'm wondering if these would slow down and take the
wind wobbles - wandering on the road groove  wiggles out of the Connie..... I know it would be an
oversize tire for the front, and have read that it would help some...?

bike is a '95 so it has the wider front wheel....

I'm old (67), and am not going very fast around the corners anymore.... I should add that I'll be carrying my Wife of 47 years with me sometimes, so stability is paramount....if it was slow and predictable, I'd be happy ?

whaddya think ?

Skip
                      I put those on my old 87 750 Vulcan- the only thing on the bike I liked-the stator eating piece of junk
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: SteveJ. on June 07, 2015, 10:30:46 pm
I had a Commander II on the rear, real scary on wet corners. They slip out way too easy. I could nail it on wet roads going straight, though.

I whined to Michelin about it and they refunded my $$.  :great:
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Slybones on June 08, 2015, 12:31:47 am
am curious if any of you have tried the Michelin Commander II's on BOTH ends.....
they make a 130/70x18 for the front, and I'm wondering if these would slow down and take the
wind wobbles - wandering on the road groove  wiggles out of the Connie..... I know it would be an
oversize tire for the front, and have read that it would help some...?

bike is a '95 so it has the wider front wheel....

I'm old (67), and am not going very fast around the corners anymore.... I should add that I'll be carrying my Wife of 47 years with me sometimes, so stability is paramount....if it was slow and predictable, I'd be happy ?

whaddya think ?

Skip

On the forum a 130/70-18 and 160/80-16 are referred to as Wing size tires as those are what a GL1500 call for. And the GL1500 has the same size front and rear wheels as the Connie. So a 130/70-18 in a bias ply tire is designed for and fits the 3.0 inch rim just fine. You will have to pull 2 of the fender bolts on one side to slide the tire up and into place. One there the fender bolts can go back in and has all the right clearance.

As mentioned the 130/70 will steer slower. It will take more pressure on the bars to get them to steer. I will take 1-2 days to get used to, and then you wont even realize it any more. Saying they "drive poorly" all depends on your priorities. They will do exactly what you want. They will help a lot with decal wobble, stability, tracking on grooves and tar snakes, wind wobbles, etc. For most they make the inaccurate speedo accurate. Using Wing Tars front and rear, the bike will be easier to get on the center stand, lean over more when in the side stand, raise your seat height about 1/2 inch.

Overall since you are not running the corners hard, ride 2 up regular and stability factor is your top priority,  I think a set of Wing Size tires would be a great choice for you.

Which ones is the question. ME880's and Commanders have had complains about wet weather traction. But that is also from a more SPORT/touring crowd. Probably not an issue for the more sport/TOURING oriented rider.  Dunlop Elite 3's are posta handle fine in the wet. I rode a Connie with them for a 1/2 day once and they steer slower like the ME880's did. But from those who have tried them they do fine in the wet. Note these are bias ply E3's for GL1500 not radial E3's for GL1800. There are other GL1500 tires as well.  For a while Michelin made the much loved Pilot GT specifically for the GL1500 and people loved them on the Connie. I tried a set and for Wing tires they were the best of the bunch. And worked great in the rain. Too bad these are not around anymore.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Old OutLaw on June 08, 2015, 01:04:36 am
Well....allrighty then, Mushlin's it is.....

I've always liked mich's anyhow, on a truck, (Big Rig), they are about the ONLY tire
that is actually Round, and they also take much less weight to balance.....I run them
on everything I own, and sounds like they will be just the ticket for me Connfabulation...

I don't ride atall in the rain, so that's notaproblemmo....

Thanks Gents, I sure do 'preciate the info..... now, if only ya'll could cure me low RPM blues....

*SIGH* ....

Skip
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: connie_rider on June 08, 2015, 02:45:32 pm
now, if only ya'll could cure me low RPM blues....

Probably carb passages, or pilot jetts stopped up.

Contact Steve!! (Shouldaben Engineering)
He can clean and rebuild carbs and add the 2 minute jet kit (for better response)
   (He also sells parts to improve low end power)...

Do that, and Problem solved......

Ride safe, Ted

Now, back to tarrrrs,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Slybones on June 09, 2015, 08:33:46 pm
Well....allrighty then, Mushlin's it is.....

I've always liked mich's anyhow, on a truck, (Big Rig), they are about the ONLY tire
that is actually Round, and they also take much less weight to balance.....I run them
on everything I own, and sounds like they will be just the ticket for me Connfabulation...

I don't ride atall in the rain, so that's notaproblemmo....

Thanks Gents, I sure do 'preciate the info..... now, if only ya'll could cure me low RPM blues....

*SIGH* ....

Skip

Note that last sentence. The much loved Michelin Pilot GT's for the GL1500 are no longer made. At least last I heard.  I also have a GL1800 in addition to the Connie and was looking at tires the other day. Something I spotted while looking was the Dunlop Elite 3's for the GL1500 were redesigned not too long ago and getting good reviews from that crowd. I don't know of anyone on the C10 using the new E3's for the GL1500. Not talked about that much any more.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: RodWpg on June 09, 2015, 09:20:58 pm
I have the E3 on the front and will be switching it to the dunlop roadsmart II at the end of the month as it comes in 110 size....e3 only in 130, I thought I had an E3 on the back, but it does not come in the correct size either and it turns out mine is a E3 'BIAS' ...not radial but it does come in correct size
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Slybones on June 10, 2015, 10:18:37 pm
The E3's for a GL1500 are bias ply tires. The E3's for the GL1800 are radials. My observation while out looking at GL1800 tires was the GL1500 E3's have a fairly recent redesign of the tire. And they are getting good reviews. --  A GL1500 has the same exact size wheels front and rear as the C10. So any set of tires that are designed for a GL1500, albeit bias ply tires, will fit the C10 wheels and be within the tire specifications. No its not the size listed in the C10 manual, but they fit and have no clearance problems other than removing the fender bolts to get the installed. They have their advantages and disadvantages. For Old Outlaw it seems the advantages are items he has high on the priority list, and the disadvantages he is willing to live with. Sounds like a good choice for him.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Old OutLaw on June 11, 2015, 02:32:50 am
yep, the "Disadvantages"  are only Diss's if they impact the way you ride.....

the Michelin Commanders are heavier tires and should give more stability because of the increased
Gyroscopic effect also....

and the rear is a "B" spec rated tire, which will work well when carrying the Wife.

Win - Win.... and Michelin Quality...  Win.

Skip
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Old OutLaw on June 12, 2015, 08:09:12 pm
Well, I recieved the Michelin Commander II Front tire today, got it mounted, and
test rode the bike.....slowed down the steering nicely, got rid of the "riding around
on a sheet of Ice" feeling that the front end had, still corners better'n I can ride, and
it's a LOT smoother, and more stable in crosswinds and the turbulence found behind
trucks on the Freeway.....I like it a lot......

when I get the corresponding Commander II tire on the rear, I think it's gonna be Wondermuss .....

thanks for all the input guys, it helped a lot !

Skip 
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: ACISROC on June 12, 2015, 08:15:52 pm
 Ride on Old Outlaw!  I am sure you will like it just as much on the back too! :great:
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Old OutLaw on June 13, 2015, 12:27:29 am
Well, I sure hope so.....be nice to have the back one also improve the stability a
bit, as this bike is still a bit on the goofy side....I did get down on all fours and
took a good look at the rear, and it's definitely cupped a bit too.....

I also just walked back in the house after changing that stupid tank Valve over
to a manual valve....no mo vacuum operated whatchaMacallits for me.....that's
what's wrong with this world nowadays, everybody, (well, MOST everbody),
wants things to work with no effort....where's the fun in that ?? ...now it's more
in line with my "Old School"  way of wanting things...

she ain't gonna leak no mo.....   :great:

Skip
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Old OutLaw on June 25, 2015, 12:49:03 pm
UPDATE :

finally got the rear tire on, and all I can say is WOW !  what a difference.....much
more stable in the crosswinds - turbulance....still corners very well, much less "Turn
in" doesn't try to fall in to the corner, lot more predictable...and somehow, it's still
light and "Flickable" thru the twisties....Love these Commanders.

P.S.  best price I found was Jake Wilson....excellent, fast service too.

Thanks

Skip
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: ACISROC on June 25, 2015, 07:18:30 pm
 Good for you old outlaw,
                                       If your ever near forest grove give me a shout, I'll let you ride mine to try out the Pirelli's , We can do the twisties at Hagg Lake,
                     Steve
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Old OutLaw on June 25, 2015, 10:37:14 pm
sounds like fun, but I don't go very fast anymore LOL....at 68 years young,
I have gotten over it..... Almost anyhow

Skip
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: ACISROC on June 25, 2015, 10:47:13 pm
sounds like fun, but I don't go very fast anymore LOL....at 68 years young,
I have gotten over it..... Almost anyhow

Skip

                 I am like a spring chicken-54 years old LOL :) I also like to go slow too, or the speed limit 3/4 of the time.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: CBX-Bob on June 26, 2015, 01:34:55 am
2 year,  2002 C-10 owner, after buying the bike from the original owner with 14,000 miles both tires needed replacing, went with Bridgestone BT-45's. Wasn't hip to the Radial/Bias thing. Front was a 110/70-18 (correct is 120/70-18) Rear 150/80-16. Seemed fine, handled OK, wore fast.  Replaced both at 6+ K miles. Went with stock Dunlop front, and Shinko 230 150/80-16 (bias) rear. Felt good, But after 2500 miles rear looked like it might not go another 3K anticipated for the trip to, and back from the Nationals. So dismounted the 230, and mounted the Shinko 777HD (bias). Handled way better than the Bridgestone's, felt about the same as Dunlop front, 230  rear. but the 777HD,  after 2980 miles looks like it will do another 6K. Not bad! But after riding with (Island) Bob Rainey for 300 + miles during the Nationals, my next set of tires will be: Michelin Pilot Road 4 front (correct size) and Shinko SE890 160/80-16 rear (both radials).  Because every time we stopped to rest, or take pictures Bob said "Man, I like these tires!"  This is his 5th C-10.  Good enough for me  :great:
Oh, I've got 25,840 on her now, I love my C-10, when I wear it out I'll get another  :motonoises:
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: RodWpg on July 01, 2015, 02:53:26 am
Dunlop roadsmart II 110/80ZR18 front tire (radial)......I put one on today and have been riding all night, very very pleased. Dunlop Elite 3 Bias on back 160/80B16.

Had a dunlop elite3 radial on the front, but it was a 130....came on the bike,have used it 2 1/2 seasons.....glad to switch to a 110 size.

I have been wrestling with this bike for 2 1/2 seasons at low speeds, I'm talking mostly about doing right hand turns from a stop, pulling away when the light turns type situation. I figured it was cause I was getting old and fat....which I am, but switching to a 110 helps.

The bike has a much lighter feel to it.

Haven't been out on the highway much yet but it would have to be pretty terrible for me to change my mind.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Rev Ryder on July 01, 2015, 08:32:03 pm
I love my C-10, when I wear it out I'll get another  :motonoises:

:a102:   You can wear them out?   
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: SteveJ. on July 02, 2015, 08:55:23 pm
I love my C-10, when I wear it out I'll get another  :motonoises:

:a102:   You can wear them out?

Probably only another 200,000+ miles to go.  :great:
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Rev Ryder on July 03, 2015, 02:21:23 am
I love my C-10, when I wear it out I'll get another  :motonoises:

:a102:   You can wear them out?

Probably only another 200,000+ miles to go.  :great:

Oh, so it takes a looooooong time.   :great:
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: FastRocket on July 09, 2015, 09:14:29 am
Just had 2 new Dunlops installed . Wow ! What a dif . I could feel the differance just by rilling the bike forward from the bike shop . Bike also feels lighter now . Super smooth inthe city . Can't wait to get on the highway ...

 :great:
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: FastRocket on July 13, 2015, 10:19:20 pm
So I went on the highway and did a run on my new dunlops . Fricken bike is a death trap from 40 mph to 70 mph . After that the speed wobble stops///mostly  . Just wasted $600 bucks . Tire store place said they were the best tires for my bike ... Not a happy camper

 :-[
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: ACISROC on July 13, 2015, 10:33:42 pm
  Sorry Fast Rocket.
                             It pays to do the research. I did it for my "03" c-10 and I did it for my tires. I am very happy with a matched set of Pirelli Sport Demons at 2300 miles on them. I had Dunlops on my old Vulcan and they were crap. They came on my Concours and were crap. My buddy has them on his Harley (new) and he is replacing them. They slide all over and forget the bridge grates.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: RodWpg on July 13, 2015, 10:40:49 pm
I am happy with the roadsmart II front e3b back.....Dunlops, I'm guessing you didn't use those?
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Zorlac on July 14, 2015, 09:38:50 am
So I went on the highway and did a run on my new dunlops . Fricken bike is a death trap from 40 mph to 70 mph . After that the speed wobble stops///mostly  . Just wasted $600 bucks . Tire store place said they were the best tires for my bike ... Not a happy camper  :-[
The OEM Dunlops have never really gotten rave reviews. "a death trap from 40 mph to 70 mph" Did they balance them properly?
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: delling3 on July 14, 2015, 02:25:13 pm
My "new to me" 1995 C-10 came with a freshly installed set of stock Dunlops.  I would not say that they are the most confidence inspiring tire I have ridden on, but I don't have any feeling of a "death trap".  The bike handles the turns with no issue.  Tends to be a little squirmmy on the interstate, but not really noticable until above 70MPH.   I am not certain it is a tire issue, or the fairing and all the frontal area moving thru turbulent air.  I would take the bike back to the tire shop and have them fix it.  I know there are better tire choices out there, but nothing about the Dunlops strike me as being what you describe.   
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: VisionDonNebr on July 14, 2015, 09:30:49 pm
Just put 6k on a set of the "original Dunlop's" can't say I had any problems with them, putting new skins on shortly however PR3 and 777 shinko, sure disappointing that "radial" tires on a bike do not seem to mean longer life as on a car, or is this more because of the size of our tires, could Kawasaki have done a better job on the C10 original tires size?  Well, can't wait to see how the new combination will handle, hope I get a bit more mileage out of that combination
.     
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: SteveJ. on July 14, 2015, 11:00:21 pm
Just put 6k on a set of the "original Dunlop's" can't say I had any problems with them, putting new skins on shortly however PR3 and 777 shinko, sure disappointing that "radial" tires on a bike do not seem to mean longer life as on a car, or is this more because of the size of our tires, could Kawasaki have done a better job on the C10 original tires size?  Well, can't wait to see how the new combination will handle, hope I get a bit more mileage out of that combination
.   

Yer really gonna like that new combo. I'm on my fifth or sixth set of PR3 and 777's
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: nic1965 on July 22, 2015, 03:26:45 am
I finally decided to try Michelin.
PilotRoad3 and Commander 2 in stock sizes.
So that's a premium sport touring front radial / reinforced cruiser rear bias combo.
Excited to be rid of Metzler ME junk. Nervous about this expensive choice.
Updates to follow.
Tires are mounted and look great, PR3 front required NO weights to balance, Commander2 rear needed 3 chicklets.
no dots on the tires to line up valve stems, the shop foreman said the better made tires don't need them anymore...the front tire will loose a few pounds of air between rides, might have to have it remounted,,,
After 2 short rides and 2 afternoon rides, I'm happy. Bike handles great with no wobble or headshake. Have not been out in the rain yet tho.
Okay, I had some down time, blew a fork seal and could not find fork bushings...they where right under my nose...race tech makes them, I bought mine at Canada's Motorcycle. Anyways the front wheel is back on.
The PR3 is holding it's pressure now, only had to adjust twice.
Big Red Connie is fast and smooth on the back roads. I am so happy with the bike's handling and traction. My decel wobble is gone , I even sat up straight for a stretch and shocked myself by going a bit "no handed".
Now here is the problem...I was riding in the rain to Port Renfrew BC , that is a curvy coastal road, bridges are 1 lane...the rear Commander 2 was easy to break loose accelerating out of corners. I dialed it back a notch just to be safe. I guess i will be taking it easy in the rain till rear tire is worn enough to swap out. I have been hearing good things about Shinko Journey SE890. I did not choose this radial tire before because it's closest size is 160/80R16, but I have read that this size works well on a C10.
Once again the PR3 & Commando 2 combo is great on dry or damp roads, remarkably better than my old Marathons. A little touchy in the rain tho.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: SteveJ. on July 23, 2015, 01:00:14 am
I finally decided to try Michelin.
PilotRoad3 and Commander 2 in stock sizes.
So that's a premium sport touring front radial / reinforced cruiser rear bias combo.
Excited to be rid of Metzler ME junk. Nervous about this expensive choice.
Updates to follow.
Tires are mounted and look great, PR3 front required NO weights to balance, Commander2 rear needed 3 chicklets.
no dots on the tires to line up valve stems, the shop foreman said the better made tires don't need them anymore...the front tire will loose a few pounds of air between rides, might have to have it remounted,,,
After 2 short rides and 2 afternoon rides, I'm happy. Bike handles great with no wobble or headshake. Have not been out in the rain yet tho.
Okay, I had some down time, blew a fork seal and could not find fork bushings...they where right under my nose...race tech makes them, I bought mine at Canada's Motorcycle. Anyways the front wheel is back on.
The PR3 is holding it's pressure now, only had to adjust twice.
Big Red Connie is fast and smooth on the back roads. I am so happy with the bike's handling and traction. My decel wobble is gone , I even sat up straight for a stretch and shocked myself by going a bit "no handed".
Now here is the problem...I was riding in the rain to Port Renfrew BC , that is a curvy coastal road, bridges are 1 lane...the rear Commander 2 was easy to break loose accelerating out of corners. I dialed it back a notch just to be safe. I guess i will be taking it easy in the rain till rear tire is worn enough to swap out. I have been hearing good things about Shinko Journey SE890. I did not choose this radial tire before because it's closest size is 160/80R16, but I have read that this size works well on a C10.
Once again the PR3 & Commando 2 combo is great on dry or damp roads, remarkably better than my old Marathons. A little touchy in the rain tho.

I had the same issue with theCommanderII. I didn't wait for it to wear out, I pulled it almost immediately after slipping out on wet corners. I followed that with two Shinko 890's that were out of round enough to bounce the bike. Went to Shinko777 in stock size, happy camper. It is slightly larger in diameter than other 150 tires, I lost about 200 rpm at 80mph.

I did pester Michelin about the lack of traction on the Commander, they send me a refund check for the full price of the tire once I showed them that I destroyed the tire.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: MichiGlenn on July 27, 2015, 11:22:53 pm
Does anyone have experience with the Bridgestone Exedra Max?  P/O had them on my 2001. Seem to handle well enough, but I have nothing to compare them to. 120/70ZR18 front, 150/80/B16 rear. Probably due to replace at the end of the riding season.  Bike has 17750 miles, so I assume it's her second set after factory Dunlops. Don't have a reason to change brands, but no reason not to. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: SteveJ. on July 29, 2015, 09:02:14 pm
Does anyone have experience with the Bridgestone Exedra Max?  P/O had them on my 2001. Seem to handle well enough, but I have nothing to compare them to. 120/70ZR18 front, 150/80/B16 rear. Probably due to replace at the end of the riding season.  Bike has 17750 miles, so I assume it's her second set after factory Dunlops. Don't have a reason to change brands, but no reason not to. Any thoughts?

One thought, use a 110/80x18 up front. It matches up with the rim size better than a 120/70. And they handle much better than a 120 or 130/70. Pretty much everybody makes decent rubber in this size. I am on my fifth or sixth Michelin PR3. I tried a Pirelli Angel GT up front, loved the tire but it made a bit of a weird howl, not loud, just there. I'v also heard good on the Dunlop Roadsmart. I'm not a fan of Avon(recent history reinforced that feeling) but some folks like 'em.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: mnbikeguy on August 09, 2015, 07:36:13 pm
  Sorry Fast Rocket.
                             It pays to do the research. I did it for my "03" c-10 and I did it for my tires. I am very happy with a matched set of Pirelli Sport Demons at 2300 miles on them. I had Dunlops on my old Vulcan and they were crap. They came on my Concours and were crap. My buddy has them on his Harley (new) and he is replacing them. They slide all over and forget the bridge grates.

Still liking the SD's?
I'm probably 2000 miles from the wear bars on my Wing sized E3's but the date code says I'm riding 9 yr old tires. I saw the Sport Demon's on sale  at BikeBandit for $234.94 shipped so decided a switch was in order. Seems like it's hard to go wrong at that price.



Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: ACISROC on August 09, 2015, 11:25:14 pm
mnbikeguy,
                  Yes I am still loving them. That is a great price. My buddy is going to put them on his 1200 Nightster Harley. but he rides his like a sportbike LOL



 mnbikeguy is cool  :great: :great: :great:
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: mnbikeguy on August 14, 2015, 02:48:49 am
mnbikeguy,
                  Yes I am still loving them. That is a great price. My buddy is going to put them on his 1200 Nightster Harley. but he rides his like a sportbike LOL



 mnbikeguy is cool  :great: :great: :great:

Cool. Mounted and balanced them yesterday and rode to work per usual. Still taking it gentle until they are scuffed in before I lean too hard. Going back to stock size from the wing size sure makes a difference! lightened up the handling pretty significantly.

ACISROC is cool  :great: :great: :great:
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: connie_rider on August 14, 2015, 01:56:48 pm
Ok, didn't see this in the previous notes. Are the Pirelli Sport Demons (in stock sizes) Radial tires?

Ride safe,Ted
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Edward on August 14, 2015, 02:06:07 pm
Cross-ply? (X-Ply)


http://www.pirelli.com/tire/us/en/motorcycle/sheet/sport_demon.html?url=%3Fsubtype%3Droad (http://www.pirelli.com/tire/us/en/motorcycle/sheet/sport_demon.html?url=%3Fsubtype%3Droad)


I have a set of these in the garage waiting to go on.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: mnbikeguy on August 15, 2015, 03:31:13 pm
Ok, didn't see this in the previous notes. Are the Pirelli Sport Demons (in stock sizes) Radial tires?

Ride safe,Ted

They are not radial tires but they do come in stock sizes. I've put a couple of hundred on them already both slab and some twisties. They exceed my expectations at this point. Only time will tell on miles but assuming I get even 5000 from a set I'll be happy at the price point since I mount and balance them myself. If I was paying $80 to have them mounted and balanced I'd want more miles.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: ACISROC on August 15, 2015, 05:43:17 pm
+1^^^^^
               I got 2500 on mine and expect at least that with the hooligan riding I do sometimes. I am impressed with mine, still chicken strips on them. :beerchug:
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: FastRocket on September 05, 2015, 07:19:27 am
So I went on the highway and did a run on my new dunlops . Fricken bike is a death trap from 40 mph to 70 mph . After that the speed wobble stops///mostly  . Just wasted $600 bucks . Tire store place said they were the best tires for my bike ... Not a happy camper

 :-[

Spoke to soon . Got it all figured out . Working amazingly well now . Tire pressures were incorrect and adjusted front forks and reduced rear shock to #2 instead of 3 . Very nice to ride now ...

;)
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: ACISROC on September 06, 2015, 01:34:41 am
Good to hear FastRocket :)

FastRocket is cool  :great: :great: :great:
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Pilot on September 07, 2015, 05:00:53 pm
I had luck out COOPER TIRE just came out with new radials for c 10.  16 in rear, last sept 2014 not a lot of dealers have them probably all by now.  ordered from west coast deliver to dealer in kileen tx,  to put on my 1995 connie.  in front AVON AV65 STORM 3D XM ( EXTRA MILAGE) 110/80ZR18  STICK VERY GOOD ALL WX  HAD UP TO 115 MPH FOR OVER AN HOUR.  ON REAR  AVON AV66 STORM 3D XM  150/80/ZR16.  ABOUT 375.00 FOR BOTH.  SO FOR NO WEAR SHOWING 5000+ MILES!  GREAT RADIAL CAN REALLY DRAG PEGS IF YOU WANT.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: DannyS_WA on November 16, 2015, 10:17:20 pm
I have had a set of Shinko 890 Journey tires for a little over 5000 miles and I like them a lot. Got them from Bike Bandit. If they last like they are advertised I will get another set when it comes time to replace them.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Zorlac on November 18, 2015, 10:09:23 am
Got them from Bike Bandit.
FWIW, I ordered a PR3 front & a 777 rear from BB and had them the NEXT DAY!  :motonoises:
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Ho-Daddy on November 19, 2015, 01:50:23 am
 I just changed my front to a 17" (02 C10) and put a 120 70 17 Dunlop Qualifier on, don't know about the mileage but it handles and rides very well. The best part is the smaller diameter lowers the bike so I can put both feet on the ground. I think I'll keep the 16" on the rear, I do want to raise it back up. ;) Happy Trails!
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: HaVoC on February 04, 2016, 04:23:11 am
I did look through the past posts in this thread but unless I missed it the tires I am looking at have not been mentioned. The tires honestly is where I want to start as it would seem I am going to have to rebuild my ZG1000 from the frame out to be safe.

Anyway, Looking at the Pirelli Angel GT Sport Touring for front and back.

Any feedback?
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: SteveJ. on February 04, 2016, 01:00:15 pm
I did look through the past posts in this thread but unless I missed it the tires I am looking at have not been mentioned. The tires honestly is where I want to start as it would seem I am going to have to rebuild my ZG1000 from the frame out to be safe.

Anyway, Looking at the Pirelli Angel GT Sport Touring for front and back.

Any feedback?
Unless you do the Mean Streak rear wheel replacement you will find a very limited choice.

As far as the front you are somewhat better off. A lot of folks have found that the 110/80 is a better tire for the front. Me included. This is assuming you have a '94 or newer. If you do the research you will find that the Connie's rim is the perfect match to that size.

I've run an Angel up there. It worked perfectly except it had a bit of highway noise that was evident without hearing protection, i.e. very short rides. I've since gone back to a Michelin PR3.  I'm on my sixth or seventh one.

For the rear, I've settled into a Shinko777, a bias tire. I've tried Michelin Commander 2, too slippery on wet corners, Shinko891  Journey, two in a row out of round, and Avon(venom or cobra), let's just not go there.

This combo works for me. Good for 10/12000 miles, YMMV. ;)

 :beerchug:
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: ACISROC on February 04, 2016, 03:06:32 pm
I did look through the past posts in this thread but unless I missed it the tires I am looking at have not been mentioned. The tires honestly is where I want to start as it would seem I am going to have to rebuild my ZG1000 from the frame out to be safe.

Anyway, Looking at the Pirelli Angel GT Sport Touring for front and back.

Any feedback?
 
   Hi HaVoC, I run a matched set of Pirelli Diablos, They are great all weather grip, but a softer compound so may not last as long as others. I have about 3500 miles on them and looking great so far with lots of twisties and high speed runs on them.

      HaVoC is cool  :great:  :great:  :great:
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Bob on February 04, 2016, 11:40:31 pm
after reading dozens (or hundreds) of tire posts on here last summer both me and my C10 riding neighbor have switched to PR3 fronts and 777 rears.  Working great for the first 3000 miles I've got on them and they're looking to last way longer than the stock Dunlops.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Herb on February 06, 2016, 06:54:18 pm
after reading dozens (or hundreds) of tire posts on here last summer both me and my C10 riding neighbor have switched to PR3 fronts and 777 rears.  Working great for the first 3000 miles I've got on them and they're looking to last way longer than the stock Dunlops.

+1 I have the same combo and like it a lot!
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: MBrew on February 10, 2016, 12:13:49 am
I was riding Avon Storms on the front with the Azaro on the rear and I really liked the handling of those tires. They did have some downsides, but I thought the grip and handling were worth putting up with them. I got stuck and needed some tires quickly and the only thing available were Dunlops. I'm starting to ride again after a hiatus and the Dunlap rear is now gone (thankfully) and even though the front has some meat left, I don't like it and I'm ready to chunk it.

Unfortunately I find the Azaro is no longer available. I see several using the Michelin PR3 and 777 combo and I've seen reference to a PR3 and an Avon AM 26 Road Rider Combo. Of course, the Road rider is also available with a nose tire in our size and the new Storm can be had with our sizes front and back. Is there anyone who has ridden any of the combos that could make a comparison with my old Storm/Azaro combination? I do really like the Michelin's and I really wish that made a PR3/4 in a 16.

Thank, Mike
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: delling3 on February 10, 2016, 12:26:25 am
The successor to the Storm/Azaro is the new Storm 3D. Available as a matched set of radials in correct Concours sizes. Most recommend using a 110 front instead of the 120.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Edward on February 10, 2016, 02:35:17 pm
Riding a matched set of Pirelli Sport Demons right now in stock sizes (110 front) on my 2005. There seems to be a spot where it feels like I am "falling in" to the turn, a little bit of a strange wobble at 50-45MPH when decelerating I believe is due to the wavy line down the middle, and they are starting to cup fairly early causing a groaning noise when turning.


They're okay, but certainly I prefer the 777/PR3 combination without a doubt and the cost was roughly the same.


I haven't tried the new storm 3D based on cost. I was a storm/azaro guy before, but after trying the 777/PR3 combination I think I have found a winner for me.


YMMV
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: MBrew on February 10, 2016, 02:50:56 pm
Thanks for the response. I went ahead and ordered a set of the Storm 3's which is what I was leaning towards anyway. The thing that surprised me was the 15000 mile warranty. I was afraid it might be giving up too much traction.

I found the thread discussing the Storm 3's and I guess I'll find out how I like them. I did go with the 110 on the front. Just before I posted, I saw Ed Macs' reply. I think that will be my back up position.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Steveman on April 02, 2016, 11:44:03 pm
Why don't people like the Dunlops for this bike? I'm new to the bike and haven't had any problems with mine. Just wondering.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: works4me on April 03, 2016, 12:24:00 am
Well, for starters, the OEM Dunlops were designed over 30 years ago.
Would you be satisfied with a 30 year old computer?
Tires ain't Scotch, newer designs are more betterer.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Steveman on April 03, 2016, 01:28:23 am
Well, my bike was designed over 30 years ago and it still runs and rides so that kind of shoots a hole in that argument. Are there newer, better bikes? Sure, but they cost more and might not really give that much more for the money. Maybe I like the old stuff. Yes, I'm being a bit of a smart alleck, but turn about is fair play.  :) Seriously, I get your point, but they don't exactly make matching sets for this bike in those new fangled tires and I don't want to have to learn the history of tire manufacturing to be able to buy tires for my bike. It's bad enough reading through the arguments about radials versus bias ply tires. All I was really asking is do those tires blow out, wear out, or not hold the road. I want the trifecta. Tires that last forever, hold the road like glue and handle like a dream, and all for next to nothing. :))
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: works4me on April 03, 2016, 01:37:10 am
In that case, get a Bridgestone BT-023 110-80/18 for the front and a Shinko 777 150-80/16 for the rear.
Less than $200 for the set, will last over 10K miles, are delightfuly nimble and will never surprise you in a bad way.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Thud300 on April 03, 2016, 02:49:01 am
Probably already mentioned, the Shinko 011 Verge front and 777 rear combo is a good economy choice too.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Steveman on April 03, 2016, 03:30:51 am
Thank you guys. That's why I love this group. Always looking out for the poor ignorant bastard without a clue.... ;) I love my bike, but I hate having to buy tires for it. You just made that a lot easier.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: MBrew on April 03, 2016, 11:27:55 am
Why don't people like the Dunlops for this bike? I'm new to the bike and haven't had any problems with mine. Just wondering.

I can't remember that I had any particular trouble out of the rear. It's not a sticky as the Avons, but sticks much better to me than the Metzler. The front tire seems to wear oddly. It's one of the worst tires available today on grooved pavement and I think it tends to exacerbate head shake problems, particularly when it's below 50%. I will go out of my way to avoid the Dunlops.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Speedratchet on April 08, 2016, 01:45:43 pm
Put a set of Avon Storm 3d's on last year as soon as they we're available and they we're worth the wait! Ive used Avon's in the past on my Yamaha 850 and was very happy with traction and mileage. Add me to the list of Dunlop hatters, I couldn't wait to burn off my last set. Anyway, the Storm 3D is made for bikes with our size wheels, radial ply and my bike handles so much better now than it ever has.

P.S. I would love to put a set of PR3's on if they would make a matched set for our bike size, Michelin makes great tires.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Pbfoot on April 09, 2016, 01:12:02 am
I have no Venom experience.  Storm, Azaro, D205, OEM,Macadam X100, Pilot Road, Pilot Power, Pirelli Sport Demons, and now Roadsmarts in 17".  I've run these tires only on the C10.
I am running the 17" Roadsmart 2 as well. Great tires. The rear tread depth is 8/32 new. Most other brands are only 5/32.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Rev Ryder on April 09, 2016, 01:10:01 pm
I have no Venom experience.  Storm, Azaro, D205, OEM,Macadam X100, Pilot Road, Pilot Power, Pirelli Sport Demons, and now Roadsmarts in 17".  I've run these tires only on the C10.
I am running the 17" Roadsmart 2 as well. Great tires. The rear tread depth is 8/32 new. Most other brands are only 5/32.
I found the Roadsmart to be the best Dunflop tire I ever rode upon...
I've sin a gone back to Avons and Michelins. I'd rate the Roadsmart and the new Avon XM tires about "equals".  Alas, neither truly satisfies my need for grip (or at least the feel of it) though.  The feedback is not confidence building. Wow! 5 year old post. LOL
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Daemon on April 10, 2016, 11:30:31 am
I also need new tread.
Local tire guy says he can get me the Avon X ??? Around 400$
Seems pricey. Just need to know if they are worth it.
I have a Z1000 for fun and a Goldwing for two-up
Use the Concours for daily rider.
Looking for a long wear tire that won't toss me down the road.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: connie_rider on April 10, 2016, 06:31:04 pm
Daemon, read thru the discussion.
If you want them for a daily driver, AND longer mileage, get one the belted tires that are listed.

The belted can probably double the mileage of the radials and cost a lot less..

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Daemon on April 14, 2016, 09:39:49 pm
Daemon, read thru the discussion.
If you want them for a daily driver, AND longer mileage, get one the belted tires that are listed.

The belted can probably double the mileage of the radials and cost a lot less..

Ride safe, Ted

With 18 pages to go through I'll just ask if this is s good price.
http://www.americanmototire.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=33_61_1079&products_id=6597 (http://www.americanmototire.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=33_61_1079&products_id=6597)
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Rev Ryder on April 18, 2016, 03:30:29 pm
IMHO, YES.
I get most of ...y skins from AMT because they have done me a good job for ten years and usually are the best or really close on price. Once in a while someone out "sales" them,but they are always competitive on the tires buy.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Zorlac on April 18, 2016, 11:35:31 pm
I just replaced a Michelin Commander 2 that was down to .1" rubber remaining until the cords that gave me 31K miles! The Commander 2 was the best rear tar I've ever tried, no major flat spot in the center with mostly highway miles, amazing!
There's just no way the Shinko 777 that replaced it will last that long.
I love Michelin tars, I just hate paying for them.
I ran a 777 about 6-7yrs ago but I can't remember if I liked it or not.  :??:
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: RJSutherland on April 19, 2016, 09:08:40 pm
after reading dozens (or hundreds) of tire posts on here last summer both me and my C10 riding neighbor have switched to PR3 fronts and 777 rears.  Working great for the first 3000 miles I've got on them and they're looking to last way longer than the stock Dunlops.

Well, after reading a zillion posts, surfing the Internet until I got seasick and looking through old records, I just ordered the PR3 from BikeBandit and will buy the Shinko 777 from the Bike Stop in Cleveland, GA, and have them put both tires on. :great:

Just don't have the heart to buy another set of Avon 3D-XMs after seeing the steel belts exposed on the rear after 6,500 miles. :truce:

I'll let you know next year how it worked out.

Just hard to disagree with such a strong recommendation from SISF. :)

Thanks,

RJSutherland
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: cowie on April 20, 2016, 06:03:13 am
Hey guys ...just got a 06 conine and she needs rubber bad.

I'm not looking for anything imparticular. My biggest  concern is cost. What's the best bang for buck setup for my 06? Bt-45s?

Is going with the 110 80 18 on the front better then the stock size? Doesn't destort like factory size?

Is the factory rear size good to stick with? 150 80 16

Thanks for any input.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: SteveJ. on April 20, 2016, 03:54:17 pm
The Commander works very well until you try to give it just a little, emphasis little, gas on a wet corner. At least that was my experience.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: RJSutherland on April 27, 2016, 05:04:38 pm
At the Bike Stop in Cleveland, GA, having Ed install new tires.  Michelin radial PR on the front and the Shinko 777 bias on the rear.  Hate mixing radial/bias tires.

Double-checked this thread.  This seems to be the most popular combo.  A bit concerned about how the bike will handle in the mountains.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: connie_rider on April 27, 2016, 05:41:48 pm
Many use a radial/bias combo.
Should be fine.

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: DannyS_WA on April 27, 2016, 06:03:21 pm
The 777 now comes with a reflective sidewall imbedded into it. Shows up black during the day but reflects white at night when lights shine on it. Nice little safety bit.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: debugjaws on May 11, 2016, 06:43:13 pm
Even though there's a gazillion replies to this topic, I've gotta add my two cents. After hitting an icy curve with Michelin Commander 2's, dumping my bike in February, settling up with the insurance company and fixing all of the plastics (unbelievably expensive!), I decided it was time for some new tires. I removed the Michelin Commander II's, which weren't bad, but wanted to go with radials. I put on Avon Storm 3-D XM's and experienced significant "Ball-Bearing Dance" syndrome (look it up on this forum - it's for real!). I could rationalize fear of ice since I had just experienced it ... but never fear of the tires. That was ridiculous. I don't care how few tire manufacturers there are out there that produce radial tires for this bike. Supporting them at the cost of injury or even life is not worth it.

So I invested in the Mean Streak 17" conversion (see tech pages) and put Michelin PR4 GT's on (170/60 ZR 17 on the rear, stock size on the front). HOLY COW!!! IMHO, if not the best, this is for sure one of the best performance mods to be done on this bike! A little spendy? Yeah - especially since I pulled off the Avon's with less than a thousand miles on them. But what is your safety worth? Oh, and what is the fun of the added performance worth? In conjunction, I live in Oregon - it rains A LOT(!!!) here. The PR4's are made for that. I only find it unfortunate that these are not out there yet for my GL1800 Goldwing, 'cause I'd put them on today!
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: MBrew on May 11, 2016, 08:10:14 pm
... I put on Avon Storm 3-D XM's and experienced significant "Ball-Bearing Dance" syndrome (look it up on this forum - it's for real!).....

What size did you have on the front with the Storm 3d's? Good luck with the mean streak. I'd like to do it, but I don't think I'll ever be able to.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Edward on May 12, 2016, 12:37:13 pm
Reporting back on the Pirelli Sport Demons I put on last November. Stock sizes.


Tires were never that great and as they wore, the bike handled more and more like a truck. I got just about 5000 miles on the set and was worried about all kinds of problems with my suspension until I put new tires on.

Bike handles like a dream again, I forgot how easy this bike is to throw around when it's handling properly.


Shinko 777HD/Mich PR3 Combo. After trying Avons, Pirelli and this combination, we have a winner for sure. At least until the MeanStreak conversion happens...
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: debugjaws on May 12, 2016, 01:51:49 pm
... I put on Avon Storm 3-D XM's and experienced significant "Ball-Bearing Dance" syndrome (look it up on this forum - it's for real!).....

What size did you have on the front with the Storm 3d's? Good luck with the mean streak. I'd like to do it, but I don't think I'll ever be able to.


120/70ZR18. Bike handles great now, even through the squiggly rubberized junk they put on roads to seal the cracks.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: frenche on June 01, 2016, 03:57:02 am
Great thread. Lots of useful info. Thanks, guys.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Garrett on July 19, 2016, 08:44:23 pm
The C10 came with radials, so if you want it to be like it came from the factory get radials front and back. Or you could go Bias front and back. They both have their own characteristics. Study that to know. I have used Avons. There good but where out kind of faster than some but stick good in the curves. I made the mistake of buying a bias rear and having a radial front which is a no-no. I didn't know that when I did it. From what I have learned you can go bias front/radial rear and that is supposedly OK. I have it in reverse radial front and bias rear, and I corner hard and I haven't noticed any difference. On top of that just Sunday I noticed  that the shop that installed my front tire installed the front one backwards meaning the arrow does not go forward. That would have bad effects in the rain which I avoid whenever I can.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on July 19, 2016, 09:13:00 pm
just Sunday I noticed  that the shop that installed my front tire installed the front one backwards meaning the arrow does not go forward. That would have bad effects in the rain which I avoid whenever I can.

has very little to do with rain... it's about strength of the belt windings, and which direction offers the correct transfer of energy to the road, without damaging the casing...
so in the case of front tire directional notation, it's about transferring grip during hard braking...while limiting stress on the belts..preventing them from loosening in the molded rubber, and failing. Also to reduce heat buildup.
sooo, just how long/how many miles have you had it like that?
I'd suggest you attend to that and have it fixed right now.
ride safe...
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: SteveJ. on July 20, 2016, 01:15:33 am
The C10 came with radials, so if you want it to be like it came from the factory get radials front and back. Or you could go Bias front and back. They both have their own characteristics. Study that to know. I have used Avons. There good but where out kind of faster than some but stick good in the curves. I made the mistake of buying a bias rear and having a radial front which is a no-no. I didn't know that when I did it. From what I have learned you can go bias front/radial rear and that is supposedly OK. I have it in reverse radial front and bias rear, and I corner hard and I haven't noticed any difference. On top of that just Sunday I noticed  that the shop that installed my front tire installed the front one backwards meaning the arrow does not go forward. That would have bad effects in the rain which I avoid whenever I can.

Funny, I'm on about my tenth bias rear and eighth radial front.  I don't seem to have handling issues. Put the bike on a line for a corner, it stays there. No drama. And I do drag a peg from time to time. Just don't run a 120/70 on he front, it's too big. A 110/80 fits perfectly.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on July 20, 2016, 01:31:55 am
yeah Steve, but you put your tires on with the arrows going the correct direction.... :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :lol_hitting: :bravo_2: :pokestick: :85: :08: :a012:
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Daytona_Mike on August 05, 2016, 03:19:46 am
I have run and others too with no issues and it handles real well.  Radial in front and bias on the rear. 
There is nothing wrong with that setup.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Mike on September 19, 2016, 09:02:23 pm
... I put on Avon Storm 3-D XM's and experienced significant "Ball-Bearing Dance" syndrome (look it up on this forum - it's for real!).....

What size did you have on the front with the Storm 3d's? Good luck with the mean streak. I'd like to do it, but I don't think I'll ever be able to.


120/70ZR18. Bike handles great now, even through the squiggly rubberized junk they put on roads to seal the cracks.
debugjaws,
I also put a set of Avons on in Feb 2015 and couldn't ride over 60 mph without dying from feeling like I was driving on ball bearings, the second set did the same. Thru this forum I was told the sad story of Kawasaki and Dunlop sizing a tire bigger than it actually was. 120/70 18 OEM Dunlop measures closer to a 110/80 18, Even Avon got tricked. The front wheel is 3" wide, not wide enough for a 120/70. I left the rear Avon on and replaced the front Avon with a 110/80 18 and it help a lot but something was still wrong like less ball bearings. About a thousand miles later, it happened. It was so bad I couldn't ride it at all. I put it on the centerstand and turned the rear tire. The center of the tire wiggled like a snake. It had bad belts. As for the front 110/80, it cupped so bad it felt and sounded like off road mud tires. I used to be an Avon man but have left the fold. I'm with Steve on everything he says but I still like trying to finding my own road. You don't have to change to 17" wheels, there are some good tires out there and don't be afraid of radial front and or bias on the rear.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Uncle Rob on September 21, 2016, 03:22:04 pm
I have 10,300 miles on a 110 PR# front and Shinko 777 rear.  I could probably squeeze another 1000-1500 miles out of them but I am going to replace them before I head to the Barber Vintage Fest.  I have been very happy with the handling and I have never gotten 10k out of a rear tire before.  Highly recommend.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: MBrew on September 21, 2016, 03:34:02 pm
I wound up installing the Avons with the 110 on the front. I've got about 2500 miles on them now including a trip to Arkansas. I didn't do any peg scraping, but I did lose some shoe leather a few times. I think I see a bit of what people are talking about with the ball bearing thing, but with this size front tire I don't think it's real bad. I ride with the PGR a lot and pull a large flag attached to a trailer hitch. That flag will move the bike around a little at highway speed and I think these tires feel a little like that. I'm comfortable riding the bike at speed and through corners. I will add that I don't remember the last set of Avons I had feeling that way. There is no irregular wear on them, at least not yet.

I imagine I'll put one more set of tires on this bike before I move on to something else and I might try the Shinko/Michilin combo next time. So far I've ridden the Avons, Dunlop and Metzler and I will not use the Dunlop or Metzler again if I have any choice in the matter. I would buy the Avons with a 110 front again if I needed to.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: JimBob on November 18, 2016, 05:44:22 pm
Isn't there a spreadsheet someone created years ago tracking brand/performance/cost/miles, etc?


Are we not updating that anymore?


If not, I'd be willing to maintain it for a while, if anyone has a link to it. We could create a new post (maybe a sticky?/voting?) based on the fields in the sheet. Wouldn't be scientific, but could be useful long term. We could add the C14 there too.


Does the forum software support multi-item/multi-value voting? I'm thinking things like either a fill-in field for mileage, or multi-choice (1k-2k, 2k-3k, etc).


PM please if anyone has some thoughts (I get email notifications from PM's)



Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Jerzy Rider on February 09, 2017, 08:39:35 pm
Looks like noting new on C-10 tires in awhile. I see that some say a 110 80 18 in lieu of the 120 70 18 it calls for due to fitment? My 03 has Metzlers on it from previous owner. Hard as a rock and yes slippery. Also a bias ply so cant lay into it like my sport bikes. I have been looking and it seems only radial V rated I can find in a set is the Avon Storm 3 HD. Denis Kirk has them. i am about to pull the trigger but wanted some feed back if possible? I like Michelin tires> I called them to see if their new P4 was going to come out in a 16" but no call back and those on the phone were useless, so I guess not. Any issues with Avons? Dont want a blow out at 110 mpg.. Need a grippy tire for the twisty Poconos roads etc in my area. What you guys riding on ZG 1000 Concours?. The one Picked up last year is a 03. Like the bike but tires are horrible.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Ranger Jim on February 09, 2017, 09:32:06 pm
Options for tires on the C10 are limited unless one goes for the 17" rear wheel modification. I used Avon Azaros and was fairly well pleased. You give up tire mileage for grip but tires are all about compromise anyway. 
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: connie_rider on February 09, 2017, 10:15:22 pm
I think someone posted there is a new Radial available for the C-10.
Shinko maybe??

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Warwgn on February 09, 2017, 11:17:32 pm
well i might have messed up, just got a set of Dulop Elite 4's, went 150/80-16 for the back and 130/70-18 for the front. guess we will find out Saturday if they fit right or not, I know the back will but now not so sure on the front. I was thinking there is not a whole lot of difference between 120 and 130 and the 130 was all that was available so I got it, if it does fit I think it will get good milage but just a little worried now.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Jorge on February 09, 2017, 11:33:36 pm
Avon 3D X-M. Not quite new; they came out about 2 years ago.
Very responsive tires, good grip, and should last. I would have expected 10,000 from rear, and 18,000+ from front...
Only negative is that they tend to wonder a little when new, but they settle after some miles.
Jorge
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Zorlac on February 10, 2017, 01:49:25 am
I think someone posted there is a new Radial available for the C-10.
Shinko maybe??
Ride safe, Ted
Here ya go Ted!

Now there is another choice in matched radials for the C-10...Shinko has released the 150/80ZR16 R011 Verge tire...WPS part number 87-4090...which can be matched to the 120/70ZR18 F011 Verge for the front...WPS part number 87-4082

http://www.shinkotireusa.com/tire/011-verge (http://www.shinkotireusa.com/tire/011-verge)
https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/shinko-011-verge-rear-tires (https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/shinko-011-verge-rear-tires)
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: connie_rider on February 10, 2017, 03:07:45 am
Thanks Zorlac.
Wasn't for me. Was trying to help those currently looking.

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Jim Snyder on February 11, 2017, 10:48:06 pm
For those who run bias ply tires you may look at the Avon AM-26's. I have had very good luck with them. I have run them the last 4 years and the handling is amazing. Ask anyone who has followed me in the twisties. They are one of the few tires choices that have always come in the C-10 stock sizes.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Warwgn on February 11, 2017, 10:57:36 pm
well the 130/70 fit just fine on the front, gave me a little bit of trouble getting it on the rim but I did it. Got both mounted up and will go for a ride tomorrow and reporrt back how the E4's ride. Also wont be long and can report milage on them too, I hope to get in about 10k miles before June so I will know if they will last for my Alaska trip. They sure look good and have a ton of tread dtpth.

The fron had a s*** load of weight on it with that shinko,  so hope it was a tire issue and not the wheell, gonna find out soon.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Warwgn on February 12, 2017, 05:23:33 pm
very big difference,  it just falls into the curves now. It is waay smoother than before and the low speed wobble is completely gone now, had to be all the lead attached to the front wheel. So far gotta say I really like these tires.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: connie_rider on February 12, 2017, 05:25:40 pm
Harbor Freight has a inexpensive Motorcycle Wheel Balancer.
Takes a little patience, but would give you a good balance every time..

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Warwgn on February 12, 2017, 06:39:10 pm
thanks, but I use dyna beads they keep tires balanced all the time and account for wear.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Ranger Jim on February 12, 2017, 07:44:32 pm
Warwgn. that 130 on the front will slow the steering noticeably. You should get pretty good tire mileage out of them though. Jorge, I NEVER got 10K out of a set of Avons Azuras. Usually only 6-7K. I live closer to twisties than you though.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Warwgn on February 12, 2017, 09:26:00 pm
here is what I took off the front wheel

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q192/warwgn/GWOF/20170212_151336_zpspql16uvq.jpg) (http://s136.photobucket.com/user/warwgn/media/GWOF/20170212_151336_zpspql16uvq.jpg.html)
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Rev Ryder on February 12, 2017, 11:53:00 pm
Dang!!!
Nearly a half pound there.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Warwgn on February 13, 2017, 03:21:14 am
Dang!!!
Nearly a half pound there.

Exactly, that is why I do my own tires, after I remove the tire I take a wire wheel and clean the insde of the wheel before putting the new tire on, something I know a shop does not do. Then I mount the tire and use dyna beads, my tires never leak down and stay balanced until I replace them. I have seen plenty of info for and against beads but have about 70k miles using them and love them. They eliminated cupping when I had my goldwing and extended tire life, they also worked just as well on my nighthawk, and now in the connie.

I hate taking anything to a shop and will do it all myself, shops always take way too long and never do anything to my satisfaction,  but that is a whole different thread.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: KowRider on February 13, 2017, 03:30:09 am
 :popcorncouple:  I have always wanted to do that!
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Warwgn on February 14, 2017, 05:19:23 pm
Warwgn. that 130 on the front will slow the steering noticeably. You should get pretty good tire mileage out of them though. Jorge, I NEVER got 10K out of a set of Avons Azuras. Usually only 6-7K. I live closer to twisties than you though.

well 250 miles on it so far and love it, maybe I just dont  carve hard enough or that shinko was so bad but steering seems like a dream to me, feels very well planted and stable.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: kds on February 15, 2017, 05:31:23 pm
Been using Ride-On Tire Sealant for 4 years. Haven't had an issue, but, a friend who rides a dreaded Harley pulled out an inch long nail from his tire and had 0 leak. Ride-On balances and is great at helping you finish the ride.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: jacksdad on February 25, 2017, 07:23:14 pm
I'm looking at fitting a new pair of tyres before the Summer (in the UK!) arrives.
I looked at the Shinko F011 Verge, they are £253 pair here, plus fitting.
I have Avons on now, a Matching pair of Avon Storm 3DXM Radials will cost me £166 pair plu fitting...a huge difference!
What do people think of the Avon radials? I've read a few comments about other Avons, but not this version
Thanks  ;D
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Rev Ryder on February 25, 2017, 10:54:19 pm
I'm looking at fitting a new pair of tyres before the Summer (in the UK!) arrives.
I looked at the Shinko F011 Verge, they are £253 pair here, plus fitting.
I have Avons on now, a Matching pair of Avon Storm 3DXM Radials will cost me £166 pair plu fitting...a huge difference!
What do people think of the Avon radials? I've read a few comments about other Avons, but not this version
Thanks  ;D

 :86:  ME? Well, since you asked... 

If they were exactly the same price, I'd go Avon every time.  If the Avons were the 253 and the Shinkos were 177 (closer to the way it is in the states here) I'd probably still go the Avons even though the 3D XM are not as good a tire as the old Azaro or Storm 3D tires were.  That's MY opinion and worth what ya paid fer it.  The Shinkos will likely give longer service with somewhat diminished grip, but then the 3DXM also have moderately reduced grip from the earlier Avon tires... er.. tyres.   :)
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: jacksdad on February 26, 2017, 04:21:53 pm
Thanks, I have the same 'old' Avon combo on now, and like them, but they are getting close to the limit for me.
Anyone use other makes, that give good wet and dry grip over long life? I don't do lots of miles any more, purely a weekend and maybe a week long tour each summer.
I wonder why the prices are the opposite to your side of the Pond? Probably the usual supply and demand factors, as you don't see them at all over here: The guys on the US XS650 forums do recommend the Shinko classic bike tyres though, my other bikes are 1976 and 77 XS650's btw.
Maybe the prices will change but for now Avons are amongst the cheapest  :o
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Swampcat on February 26, 2017, 09:35:13 pm
Quote
Anyone use other makes, that give good wet and dry grip over long life?
I'm running a Michelin PR4GT rear (17" conversion) and PR3 front. I've done one replacement on each since buying the Concours, and because of the nature of Florida driving and my long trips it's mostly straight line highway miles. I've been pleased with them for both life and grip in my use. In fact, when I mounted the new front last week I realized it was the first time I changed it. Looking back over the maintenance records Steve gave me with the bike, I discovered that PR3 lasted 19,000 miles. It was down to the wear bars in the center, but not bald.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Locomotiveman on March 09, 2017, 06:23:15 am
A SHINKO Verge 120/70ZR18 is gonna replace the DUNLOP 120/70ZR18 Sportmax D205F now on my C10. QUESTION:What am I gonna notice that's different..if anything? Locomotiveman
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: SteveJ. on March 10, 2017, 12:21:41 pm
A SHINKO Verge 120/70ZR18 is gonna replace the DUNLOP 120/70ZR18 Sportmax D205F now on my C10. QUESTION:What am I gonna notice that's different..if anything? Locomotiveman
You'll notice that it's too big. Most folks like the 110-80. More correct fit and handles much gooder
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: jacksdad on March 10, 2017, 02:03:31 pm
From what I can find, many riders go for 120 rather than a 110. 10mm difference yet changes the ride! :-\
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: JohnJuan on March 10, 2017, 03:18:36 pm
Isn't there a spreadsheet someone created years ago tracking brand/performance/cost/miles, etc?


Are we not updating that anymore?


Here's a link to the thread about the spreadsheet (http://forum.cog-online.org/concours-c10-zg1000-general-chat-and-tech/updating-the-tire-list-on-google-docs/)
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Locomotiveman on March 10, 2017, 10:15:11 pm
120 vs 110 VERSYS. I see YouTube stuff shows the 'Profile' of a Versys is quite different from some others...seems to be taller, not as flat across the tread when inflated. I wonder why..... And no groove down the middle that my old Dunlop has. If it fits...it's staying on. I'll see. Locomotiveman
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: jacksdad on March 12, 2017, 04:33:56 pm
One thing that we peeps in the UK need to watch is insurance.
If I had an accident and had fitted a 120 front tyre, the insurance company would seize the chance to invalidate the cover as I'd fitted a different spec to standard.
As to a 130: how the #### did you get it onto a 3.00 wheel?  :o
Note: I can get a pair of 3d-XM's, 110 and 150, for £160 plus fitting. The rear Shinko costs more that that over here
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Bud on March 12, 2017, 05:13:21 pm
I'm running Shinko SE890 Journeys intended for a GoldWing. (130 on front 160 rear)  I took them to a local tire shop to have them mounted.  If I weren't standing there, god knows what the kid mounting would have done to that tire.  Rather than forcing the tire down in the relief portion of the wheel, he was trying to just force it with the changer.  I had to stop him and hold it down so it would go on.  I'm not sure how it would have been mounting by hand.  If you lay the tires out in the sun and let them get hot, lube the crap out of them, new tires generally go on easier then taking the old ones off.  I'm about done with taking my tires to a shop to have them mounted.  As far as the tires go I do like them.  If one struggles to get Miss Piggie :-\....eh...I mean Connie on the centerstand, these will help.   :great:
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Jim on March 13, 2017, 11:11:17 am
The 130 front and 160 rear tires are "wing" size tires.  They were designed for the earlier gold wings, GL1500, with the same width rims as ours.  Here's a write up about it from the Tech Pages.

http://www.cog-online.org/clubportal/clubstatic.cfm?clubID=1328&pubmenuoptID=34855 (http://www.cog-online.org/clubportal/clubstatic.cfm?clubID=1328&pubmenuoptID=34855)
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: mnbikeguy on April 23, 2017, 11:55:09 pm
My last replacement set of tires were the Pirelli Sport Demons. Overall I've been really happy with them. Most of my miles are spirited commuting miles. Maybe a little wiggly in the rain but really decent dry. At any rate, they have 7500 on them and they still have some go in them. Back is a bit squared off but not terrible. FWIW I keep the pressures at recommended levels. Here are couple of pictures. I would be inclined to buy another set when the times comes.

Rear:
(http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/ae296/mnbikeguy/Concours%20Stuff/IMG_0894.jpg) (http://s981.photobucket.com/user/mnbikeguy/media/Concours%20Stuff/IMG_0894.jpg.html)

Front:
(http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/ae296/mnbikeguy/Concours%20Stuff/IMG_0893.jpg) (http://s981.photobucket.com/user/mnbikeguy/media/Concours%20Stuff/IMG_0893.jpg.html)
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Warwgn on April 25, 2017, 11:48:13 am
update on the dunlop E4s, 5200 miles and still look great

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q192/warwgn/GWOF/20170425_071346_zpsol8pqv0e.jpg) (http://s136.photobucket.com/user/warwgn/media/GWOF/20170425_071346_zpsol8pqv0e.jpg.html)

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q192/warwgn/GWOF/20170425_071353_zpset8jdb3k.jpg) (http://s136.photobucket.com/user/warwgn/media/GWOF/20170425_071353_zpset8jdb3k.jpg.html)

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q192/warwgn/GWOF/20170425_071403_zpsdbvz5af9.jpg) (http://s136.photobucket.com/user/warwgn/media/GWOF/20170425_071403_zpsdbvz5af9.jpg.html)
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: works4me on April 25, 2017, 12:18:10 pm
I'd really like to see a picture of that same tire at 20K miles.
Please and thank you.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Warwgn on April 25, 2017, 01:44:42 pm
I'd really like to see a picture of that same tire at 20K miles.
Please and thank you.

 :))  Not sure the rear will make that but maybe?? I am thinking around 12k or 13k maybe, that is what I used to get on my GL1500 with the E3's on the rear.

I was really thinking about putting a car tire on, but since it is so easy to change on the C10 if the E4's get high milage I will keep running them. If I get over 12 then the next time I will go up one size on the rear to a 160 and see how that does for milage before I make up my mind on the car tire. I usually put around 30 to 40K a year on a bike depending on if I take many trips or not so tires are something I get a chance to try out a lot, and part of the reason I bought a tire changer and do it my self.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Warwgn on May 22, 2017, 12:42:29 pm
7500 miles still look the same, I got into my first real rain ride on Saturday coming home from a lunch run to Birmingham, hit a serious squall with thunder and lightning and high winds, the whole nine yards and was quite the show. Anyway the E4's did very well in the wet and standing water as well, they shed the water great at speed on the interstate and hitting the curvys of the on and off ramps it held tight to the road, so in my humble opinion they do just fine in wet conditions.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: schwinnman67 on July 03, 2017, 01:07:50 am
Need to get tires for my 86, but not sure what brand to go with... I know a few people that are not recommending Dunlops. Leery about Shinkos since I have never heard of them before (last time I bought MC tires was 22 years ago) and they sound like cheap tires. Had Avons on my CB650.

What is the best tire for these bikes?? What  brand lasts the longest? I want to put a good quality tire on this.

Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: SteveJ. on July 03, 2017, 12:02:31 pm
Need to get tires for my 86, but not sure what brand to go with... I know a few people that are not recommending Dunlops. Leery about Shinkos since I have never heard of them before (last time I bought MC tires was 22 years ago) and they sound like cheap tires. Had Avons on my CB650.

What is the best tire for these bikes?? What  brand lasts the longest? I want to put a good quality tire on this.
I used up about eight 777 Shinkos on the rear. Unless you want to hammer hard on wet corners they ride and handle well and last 10-12 thousand miles. I never had a wet road issue but I didn't push that hard on wet roads.

BTW, it pairs nicely with Angels and PR3s.

On TDY at Yoho Park in BC.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Warwgn on July 05, 2017, 01:17:20 pm
10,228 miles, looks like maybe another 2K left for the rear??

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q192/warwgn/GWOF/20170705_071909_zpsla2sxmdb.jpg)

Front still looks great

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q192/warwgn/GWOF/20170705_071926_zpshpqk4ux9.jpg)
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: works4me on July 05, 2017, 03:56:25 pm
I'm not overly impressed.
I got 12K+ on each of my last two 777s.
Not bad for a $90 tire.
I'm currently riding on a 230. ( $80 )
Better handling than a 777.
We'll see how well it lasts.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Warwgn on July 05, 2017, 04:07:10 pm
Have to agree, the rear was $150 so not real bad and the handling it great in wet and dry, but only 12K miles is not really doing it for me, changing the tire every 4 months is a no go. I have not really got around to taking any big rides yet so those will make the tie go even faster. I think I am gonna skip going to the Goldwing size, which jumps the price up 50 more bucks and just go darkside. Think I will go with the Austone taxi tire its a 175/R16 and diameter is 26.9" I think I should get a full year and then some out of one.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: works4me on July 05, 2017, 06:13:07 pm
I was honestly hoping you'd go 20K on that tire.
Since my bike is used primarily for commuting,
mileage is everything.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Warwgn on July 05, 2017, 09:06:52 pm
same here, I ride everyday so need the milage for sure. That is the reason I will go darkside.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Warwgn on July 06, 2017, 03:39:43 pm
Ordered the car tire as soon as I got to work this morning, and of course some jackwagon backs into the bike and knocks it over, started a thread about that, anyway once all that is sorted out I will have a new tire ready and waiting to go on. I am excited to see how it rides with this tire, I put the same one on my GL1500 and loved it.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: danodemotoman on July 06, 2017, 04:35:29 pm
 10th year darkside on the rear.
 Better traction and mileage.
 Concourier summer 2008 article.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Zorlac on July 08, 2017, 03:45:24 am
I was honestly hoping you'd go 20K on that tire.
Since my bike is used primarily for commuting,
mileage is everything.
+1
I recently spooned another Commander II on, got 30K out of the last one.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: connie_rider on July 09, 2017, 01:50:56 pm
Can you post a photo of the bike with car tire installed?

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: danodemotoman on July 09, 2017, 09:57:51 pm
 Federal brand tire installed on 15" Eliminator wheel:
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Concours-car-tire-connversion/Car-tire-2-Federal/i-Tr4ptB6/0/085a3497/M/Dan%20and%20installed%20car%20tire%20024-M.jpg) (https://danodemotoman.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Concours-car-tire-connversion/Car-tire-2-Federal/i-Tr4ptB6/A)

Summer 2008 Concourier article on  SmugMug:

https://danodemotoman.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Concours-car-tire-connversion/Car-tire-2-Federal/
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Kelly E on July 16, 2017, 05:25:15 pm
I was honestly hoping you'd go 20K on that tire.
Since my bike is used primarily for commuting,
mileage is everything.
+1
I recently spooned another Commander II on, got 30K out of the last one.

I am thinking about the Commander II for the rear. What are you running on the front?
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Zorlac on July 20, 2017, 10:30:22 am
I am thinking about the Commander II for the rear. What are you running on the front?

A PR3 (http://moto.michelin.com/DC/en/tyres/products/pilot-road-3.html#).
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: connie_rider on July 20, 2017, 05:24:35 pm
Guys, I've read that the 2 newest radials (Avon and Shinko) for the C-10 have caused handling problems.
Both seem to have problems.
Avon 3M seems to be the  best, but some have had major problems. (manufacturing problems?)
Shinko Verge II wobbles.. (weak sidewalls?)

Does anyone know of any radial's (particularly rear) that are still being used on the C-10?

Explanation: I may use the bike for a track day and need to buy tires because of the age of my current tires.
Would prefer radials but unsure of what is available that is working ok? (particularly for the rear)

Ride safe, Ted



Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Warwgn on August 02, 2017, 12:57:07 pm
So for any interested the Dunlop E4 looked to have another 1k or so miles left on it when I took it off at 11,385, so I am calling this a 12K mile tire on the rear. The front still looks purdy good so hoping to get 20K out of it. No pics ( F you Photobucket!!)
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Bud on August 02, 2017, 01:04:10 pm
Guys, I've read that the 2 newest radials (Avon and Shinko) for the C-10 have caused handling problems.
Both seem to have problems.
Avon 3M seems to be the  best, but some have had major problems. (manufacturing problems?)
Shinko Verge II wobbles.. (weak sidewalls?)

Does anyone know of any radial's (particularly rear) that are still being used on the C-10?

Explanation: I may use the bike for a track day and need to buy tires because of the age of my current tires.
Would prefer radials but unsure of what is available that is working ok? (particularly for the rear)

Ride safe, Ted

Shinko SE890 Journey front and rear on my C10.  I don't have any stability problems with them.  I got 8k out of the first one and expect about the same on this one.  These are wing size tires and it makes it a bit easier to get up on the center stand.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: MichiGlenn on August 03, 2017, 11:39:50 pm
I planned to go with the Michelin PR3/ Shinko 777 combo, and it appears that the PR3 has been discontinued in the 110/80/18 size.  So I'm reverting to my old school Honda days and just got a Continental Road Attack 2 to go with a 777.  Time to get them mounted and see how they ride! :motonoises:
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Jim on August 04, 2017, 01:07:41 pm
Just called the folks at Michelin.  Yes, the PR3 110/80-18 is no longer available. >:(
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: CRocker on August 04, 2017, 01:25:57 pm
Just called the folks at Michelin.  Yes, the PR3 110/80-18 is no longer available. >:(

...although, for those who care to use it...there are still lots of the 120/70ZR18 Road 3s available...don't see them in catalogs anymore...so, they are most likely headed the way of the 110/80ZR18s...WPS part number is 87-9775... ;)
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Zorlac on August 05, 2017, 01:45:41 am
...although, for those who care to use it...there are still lots of the 120/70ZR18 Road 3s available...don't see them in catalogs anymore...so, they are most likely headed the way of the 110/80ZR18s...WPS part number is 87-9775... ;)
If that's the case I better order another one even though I'm not due. The PR3 is without a doubt the BEST wearing front tar I've had on this bike! (No cupping!)

No dice, looks like it's still available in Europe.  :-\
I've decided to wear this PR3 down to the cords and then slap on something before I sell it.
I need a layoff/retirement before the cords show.  :o
Since I just ordered pads & rotors it should happen pretty soon.  ::)
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: racer1735 on August 09, 2017, 09:01:16 pm
I put a set of Shinko 230's on front and rear in mid-June.  Went with them as I've had very good success with other Shinko products on other bikes (Shinko 705's).  I've only logged a few hundred mile to this point but am happy with the purchase.  Price point was very low and have decent grip (haven't ridden in the wet, yet).  Too early for mileage reports.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Bushy on August 17, 2017, 10:31:18 pm
After reading through this and many other discussions. I decided to replace the stock dunlops with the Shinko verge and Shinko 777 combo. I was apprehensive due to the $130 CAD price tag on the verge. I should not have been! This combo is working very well for me, I have 4000 km on this set up, showing very little wear. I do a fair amount of riding on the 401 and eastern Ontario back roads (Westport, calabogie). So far very confidence inspiring wet and dry, spirited or leisurely with no surprises, as it should be. Love this bike.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Kelly E on August 18, 2017, 02:05:16 pm
I went with the Michelin Commander II on the rear and a Michelin Pilot Activ on the front. After a 400 mile trip through the North Cascades chasing my brother on his Ninja 1000 I am very happy with this set up. :great:
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Zorlac on August 18, 2017, 03:09:44 pm
a Michelin Pilot Activ on the front.
Hmmm, I wonder if those tread blocks can avoid cupping?
I'm running out of tar choices for this bike.  :'(
Thanks for finding another choice for the front.
110/80-18 (58V) Michelin Pilot Activ (https://www.jakewilson.com/p/1173/54936/Michelin-Pilot-Activ-Front-Motorcycle-Tire?v=14794&s=1114283&gclid=CjwKCAjwoNrMBRB4EiwA_ODYv8vRbInZ9VIu6RcSJ5vP9zxmowW9GkbQ3znbWpOsgnEH9gy4To9r_BoCYdUQAvD_BwE)

Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: works4me on August 18, 2017, 04:42:29 pm
"We're running out of choices for this bike."

I just did a quick look and found over a dozen viable options
for the front alone.
You may not like every one of them but there
are plenty to choose from.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Zorlac on August 18, 2017, 04:47:01 pm
You may not like every one of them
You got that right.
It took me 13yrs to find a front I liked (PR3) and now it's gone.  :'(
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: works4me on August 18, 2017, 05:57:21 pm
You may not like every one of them
You got that right.
It took me 13yrs to find a front I liked (PR3) and now it's gone.  :'(

I'm on my second T-30. Long life ( 12K miles ) combined
with handling that's fairly consistent throughout its life.
I have no complaints. Cheap too. ( <$100 )
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Kelly E on August 19, 2017, 03:30:20 am
My Honda Sabre V4 uses a 110/90-18 on the front. Has anyone tried that size on the front of a C-10?
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Zorlac on August 20, 2017, 12:56:26 am
I'm on my second T-30. Long life ( 12K miles ) combined
with handling that's fairly consistent throughout its life.
I have no complaints. Cheap too. ( <$100 )
"Sport Touring tires developed to replace BT-023 with wide-range riding enjoyment"

Good thing, cause the 023's sucked big-time!
Battlax's on my wee work well though.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Warwgn on August 24, 2017, 01:33:53 pm
just turned 4000 miles this morning  on the car tire and can report it is working awesome, absolutely love it. 40 PSI seemes to be the ticket and it has done great and still looks new.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Warwgn on August 25, 2017, 12:13:51 pm
Also I just realized I have a touch over 15K on the front Dunlop E4, it is the Goldwing size, and it still looks really good. I might even get 25 or 30 out of it???
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Bushy on August 28, 2017, 02:24:18 am
Hey Warwgn,
You have a car tire on your Connie??? Sounds like sacrilege!
How does it corner??
I was looking into the goldwing sizes for their mileage, but didn't want to sacrifice the cornering ability of the bike.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: danodemotoman on August 28, 2017, 05:26:46 am
 Have used a number of front Michelin 89X 110/80R-18 on the V65 Sabre and C10.

My Honda Sabre V4 uses a 110/90-18 on the front. Has anyone tried that size on the front of a C-10?
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Warwgn on August 28, 2017, 12:50:47 pm
Hey Warwgn,
You have a car tire on your Connie??? Sounds like sacrilege!
How does it corner??
I was looking into the goldwing sizes for their mileage, but didn't want to sacrifice the cornering ability of the bike.

I cant tell any difference in cornering between the E4 that was on it and the car tire in the feel of it and what it takes to make it lean, but it seems like the car tire actually holds better. I am not a peg scraper by any means but I don't think it would be any issue to do so.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Herbie on September 17, 2017, 03:07:35 am
I planned to go with the Michelin PR3/ Shinko 777 combo, and it appears that the PR3 has been discontinued in the 110/80/18 size.  So I'm reverting to my old school Honda days and just got a Continental Road Attack 2 to go with a 777.  Time to get them mounted and see how they ride! :motonoises:

I am currently running Metzler 880's in the wing size and will probably change them in the spring, going to stock sizes. I am searching through the tire threads and am interested in your Continental/ Shinko combo. I know its only been a couple of weeks for you, but what are your thoughts on this combo? Thanks
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: roadisattva on September 17, 2017, 09:55:35 pm
I went with the Michelin Commander II on the rear and a Michelin Pilot Activ on the front. After a 400 mile trip through the North Cascades chasing my brother on his Ninja 1000 I am very happy with this set up. :great:

I just did 2000 miles with the C-II and pilot activ and was very happy with the handling.  I went up Big Thompson canyon and over Trailridge road in Rocky Mountain Park and was very impressed with these tires in the twisties as well as cruising across I-80 to get back into Nebraska for the eclipse. 
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: MichiGlenn on September 17, 2017, 10:52:38 pm
I planned to go with the Michelin PR3/ Shinko 777 combo, and it appears that the PR3 has been discontinued in the 110/80/18 size.  So I'm reverting to my old school Honda days and just got a Continental Road Attack 2 to go with a 777.  Time to get them mounted and see how they ride! :motonoises:

I am currently running Metzler 880's in the wing size and will probably change them in the spring, going to stock sizes. I am searching through the tire threads and am interested in your Continental/ Shinko combo. I know its only been a couple of weeks for you, but what are your thoughts on this combo? Thanks


So far so good on the Conti/ Shinko combination. It feels like a slight dance at times, but that might be due to being used to a pair of Exedra Max Bridgestones worn flat. Never felt dangerous, just a little like riding rain grooves, especially when on actual rain grooves. Just rode back from the Stockbridge MI all clubs gathering in off and on rain and it felt fine.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Herbie on September 17, 2017, 11:36:39 pm




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So far so good on the Conti/ Shinko combination. It feels like a slight dance at times, but that might be due to being used to a pair of Exedra Max Bridgestones worn flat. Never felt dangerous, just a little like riding rain grooves, especially when on actual rain grooves. Just rode back from the Stockbridge MI all clubs gathering in off and on rain and it felt fine.
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Thanks for the report, I appreciate it
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Warwgn on October 16, 2017, 07:45:06 pm
18.5K on the E4 front tire and still looks to have plenty of life left so might last the rest of the year?? The Austone Taxi tire on the back still looks the same as it did :great: gonna be a while before it needs to come off the rim.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Warwgn on December 18, 2017, 02:17:16 pm
UPDATE: the Goldwing size E4 on the front is just now starting to make a little noise, still looks purdy good and believe it has lots of miles left in it. 22, 226 miles on it so far and it is performing great still, rode to work in the rain today and no issues at all. I am thinking it will last somewhere in the 25k-30k miles range, very pleased with this tire and will order the same thing to replace it.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Jerzy Rider on January 10, 2018, 02:43:45 am
After pondering what to replace the hard riding, Slippery when wet, albeit long wearing set of Metzler tires, with I went with Avon HD 3D Storm's this time. The 110/80/18 front is the way to go. Now my Connie handles like a street bike. It is a  much softer smoother ride and glued to the road as well. Wear so far is not a concern. I have a lot more confidence when riding aggressively into coners, breaking and at high speeds.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: jacksdad on January 10, 2018, 03:42:55 pm
I was just about to ask about these tyres!
I'm looking at a pair of Storm 3-D XM with a 120/70 on the front, mines the later version A9.
Its one of only a handful of tyres actually advertised for the GTR A9 here in England, and at £160 pair delivered they are excellent value  ;D
Are you using the XM type, the newer "Xtra Mileage" compound?
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: cra-z1000 on January 10, 2018, 06:04:55 pm
I love the 3dxm's . They seemed a little squirrly for the first hundred miles or so but after breaking in they are great !
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: jacksdad on January 10, 2018, 07:08:41 pm
How are they in the rain? I'm not the most confident rider in the wet, after a couple of spills many years ago!
Thanks once again  :great:
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: cra-z1000 on January 10, 2018, 11:50:00 pm
I don't ride much in rain so can't say how they are .
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Rev Ryder on January 11, 2018, 02:53:28 pm
How are they in the rain? I'm not the most confident rider in the wet, after a couple of spills many years ago!
Thanks once again  :great:
Jacksdad, they are pretty good in rain, not outstanding.  Very good on dry pavement, but not as good in the wet as the older Avons now discontinued, not as good as the older Michelins now discontinued, but better than most others IMHO.  The most comparable tire to the 3DXM in my book is the original Dunlop RoadSmart.  I don't know about the later RoadSmarts.  IMHO these two tire types ride very much alike with the Avon maybe being a little better in the dry and the Dunlop being a little bit (tiny bit) better in the wet.  But I have not kept up with these so much since going 17" on most of my bikes.  But these tires are fairly "confidence inspiring" IMHO.  Good luck!
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: SteveJ. on January 11, 2018, 03:02:13 pm
I was just about to ask about these tyres!
I'm looking at a pair of Storm 3-D XM with a 120/70 on the front, mines the later version A9.
Its one of only a handful of tyres actually advertised for the GTR A9 here in England, and at £160 pair delivered they are excellent value  ;D
Are you using the XM type, the newer "Xtra Mileage" compound?

You will be a happier camper iff'n you go to the 110/80 size in the front. Checking the rim width vs tire size the 110 is a better match. I'd run about 10-12 110's on the front, mostly PR2, PR3 and Angel. Awesome handling and ride.

HTH.   :beerchug:
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: jacksdad on January 11, 2018, 04:01:08 pm
Thanks again, getting sorted out now..except all the books and charts say the later bikes like mine went up to 120 on the front. Insurance firms over here just love an excuse not to pay out, and the state of tyres is a big get-out for them !
Riding wise, which front is your choice, 110/80 or 120/70 ?  :o
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: ron203 on January 11, 2018, 09:22:58 pm
I had both on my 2000 C-10 and the 110 was better (less V-shaped) in my opinion. Once I went to the 110 from the last 120, I never went back.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: SteveJ. on January 11, 2018, 11:26:00 pm
I had both on my 2000 C-10 and the 110 was better (less V-shaped) in my opinion. Once I went to the 110 from the last 120, I never went back.

Ditto.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: jacksdad on January 13, 2018, 12:51:39 pm
Well then.....the UK supplier only lists a 120 front. They sell as a pair, as said for £160. I've searched a few sites but I'll have to buy from 2 suppliers and will cost another £30  :-\
Bike has an Avon AV55 Storm 2 Ultra fitted, 110/80ZR18 and AV46ST Azaro standard size rear..so many different names, numbers, letters  :-[
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: jacksdad on January 13, 2018, 02:48:37 pm
FINALLY...I hope...I've bought a pair of...drum roll..."Avon Storm 3D X-M 110/80/ZR18 & 150/80/ZR16 XM Pair Deal Ducati"
£152 with free delivery, that's cheaper than a rear Shinko!
Just one last question for you guys: the numbers in brackets after the part number etc. front has (54W) rear (69W), just how important is this, I'm assuming its weight loading?
I found a rear tyre which was identical but (71W) Whats the difference please   I'm getting like   :banghead:   :D
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: ron203 on January 13, 2018, 02:58:19 pm
You can do a little reading on sites like this: 
https://www.denniskirk.com/learn/tire-sizes-explained (https://www.denniskirk.com/learn/tire-sizes-explained)

https://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcycle-tire-information/ (https://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcycle-tire-information/)

Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: connie_rider on January 13, 2018, 03:34:51 pm
On (71W / etc) the number is the weight rating, and the letter is the speed rating.
The;  71W is   761 lbs / 168 mph
        69W is   761 lbs / 168 mph
        54W is   467 lbs / 168 mph

Ride safe, Ted

Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: jacksdad on January 13, 2018, 05:35:12 pm
Thanks again, some more charts saved on my laptop  :great:
Not a clue why the rear tyre has 2 different weight numbers: probably a typo error. Either way, I think all bike tyres (decent brand!) are well inside the weight limits  ;D
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: ron203 on January 13, 2018, 07:30:24 pm
Better more capacity (safe) than less (sorry).

You figure about 600# for the bike, 400-500# for two riders if they are good sized (I'm ~280# alone with full gear and a full stomach  ;D) . You should step on the scale sometime just before you hop on.  Through in 20# of farkles, 50# for a full gas tank. Add some gear for camping or hoteling and it adds up.

That's close to 1200# rolling down the road (yes, over the limit but who tells?). And people talk about how top heavy these bikes are. Ha!

All depends on who you are and how you ride.   ;)
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: jacksdad on January 13, 2018, 11:07:57 pm
what weight is a #?
Isn't the total weight split between the 2 tyres? Maybe not 50/50 but near enough. :o
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: ron203 on January 13, 2018, 11:14:45 pm
# = pound = 16 ounces abbreviation, sorry.

I always figured the weigh was split between both tires.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: connie_rider on January 14, 2018, 10:19:21 pm
Weight is split about 60/40.
With Rider and gear it's maybe more like 70/30.

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: works4me on January 15, 2018, 12:27:19 am
Weight is split about 60/40.
With Rider and gear it's maybe more like 70/30.

Ride safe, Ted

That may be true for a static motorcycle but a moving bike is dynamic,
especially during braking when nearly all that weight transfers to the
front tire.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: connie_rider on January 15, 2018, 03:11:58 pm
Good point works4me.
Hadn't thought of that.

I think their talking about loaded or rolling weight distribution.

I don't have a C-10 handy to look at what the correct tires are, but do have a C-14 here.
So, I'll use that for a reference.
  The C-14 has a 58W on the front, 75W on the rear.
      The 58w is rated at 520 lbs.   the 75W is rated at 853 lbs.
  If you compare 520 to 853, that's about a 40/60 ratio..
  I think the tire ratings for a C-10 will work out to be about the same..

Ride safe, Ted
         
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: jacksdad on January 15, 2018, 04:09:50 pm
The new Avons are 54 and 69W, the only other different version was a rear saying 71W. That means a difference of 20Kg on the rear, I'm only about 12 1/2 stone, usually ride solo, so all's well  ;D
Oh yes..those Shinko you guys like: Now cost just over £300 pair here in the UK  :-\
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: connie_rider on January 15, 2018, 04:24:33 pm
Sorry jacksdad.
  Most of us live here in the Colonies...   ;D
     Can you tell us approx. what 12 1/2 stone is equal to in lbs?

Ride safe, Ted
   
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: ron203 on January 15, 2018, 05:13:33 pm
Sorry jacksdad.
  Most of us live here in the Colonies...   ;D
     Can you tell us approx. what 12 1/2 stone is equal to in lbs?

Ride safe, Ted
 

Google says it's about 175 lbs.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: connie_rider on January 15, 2018, 05:20:45 pm
ron,, "Now ya dun went and dun it"....
  Ruined all my fun..

I was giving him a chance to make a comment about my "the Colonies" comment..  <sly grin>

Besides, you know good and well I'm a Computer Illiterate..
    Google is "your' Friend, not mine.......   :rotflmao:

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: ron203 on January 15, 2018, 06:02:10 pm
True dat! No matter how hard I try....  :-[
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: jacksdad on January 16, 2018, 01:29:28 pm
I put the weight in "Old Fashioned" so you would understand...its 78 Kg over here...we went Metric in 1971 after all   ;D
Can't do the old pound and ounces nonsense any more, 13.45 lbs to the Franble,  76 ozs to pint etc....whats wrong with mm and kilos?
And don't even start about inches, all that 43/63 makes an inch, 3 inch to a flooter, 78/27 of a yard...what a load of nonsense...no wonder you built the Hubble telescope wrong size, all them conversions are easy to get wrong   :D
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: jacksdad on January 16, 2018, 02:05:04 pm
Tyres now delivered: rear is 71W after all, was a mistake in the listing
Just got to fit them now, I'll wait until it stops snowing... ;D
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: connie_rider on January 16, 2018, 03:47:16 pm
I put the weight in "Old Fashioned" so you would understand...its 78 Kg over here...we went Metric in 1971 after all   ;D
Can't do the old pound and ounces nonsense any more, 13.45 lbs to the Franble,  76 ozs to pint etc....whats wrong with mm and kilos?
And don't even start about inches, all that 43/63 makes an inch, 3 inch to a flooter, 78/27 of a yard...what a load of nonsense...no wonder you built the Hubble telescope wrong size, all them conversions are easy to get wrong   :D

Ya did good jacksdad.
I was beginning to think you'd miss the opportunity to ping us Colonists...

Yea, we tried the Metric system in 71.
Everyone hated it so we went back.
But now,,,, our system and the metric are mixed together on many thing's.
Which is probably the real reason for the problem on the Hubble.
  Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh  !!    >:(

Ride safe, Ted

Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: jacksdad on January 16, 2018, 07:19:25 pm
Just why do you stay with the ancient Imperial system? The rest of the planet is now using Metric, it must cause problems with everyday stuff, having to convert everything? Mind you, we do still buy beer in pints, and have Miles per hour. I'm just about getting to grips with buying fuel in litres, but still work out usage in miles per gallon!  ;D
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: connie_rider on January 16, 2018, 07:24:41 pm
I guess we're just set in our ways.
Some folks would be ok to convert, but the majority is used to the system and see no reason to change.

Plus the costs to change over is staggering.
         (think about it)
   Everything from gas pumps to packaging etc, would have to be changed in some manner.

Ride safe, Ted

Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: ron203 on January 16, 2018, 08:07:19 pm
So, are the gallons you use 128 ounces? Then, there's the whole liquid vs dry measure arguments (ask a cook). If we start this, the next thing you know we're arguing about which side of the road to drive on, which way a racetrack is to be driven, and how wide railroad rails are supposed be. A slippery slope, I say. Slippery. 
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: jacksdad on January 16, 2018, 09:18:19 pm
No! A Gallon is 160 Fl Oz. (I had to Google the answer) You even have a different measurement for "1 Gallon"  :-[
Then there's the standard US measurement of "A Cup"...what is 1 Cup, in metric? Oh wait, there isn't  "A Cup" volume is there, it depends what you are weighing!  :rotflmao:
Isn't it time that you caught up with the modern world?
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: ron203 on January 16, 2018, 10:43:53 pm
32 oz. to a quart. 4 quarts to a U.S. Gallon. Maybe that's why our gas mileage is so bad....Then there is the hectare, the rod, the league, the nautical mile, the mile, the ton, the metric ton. Yada, yada. 

Cup, smup. Let's not even talk about units of money. So, just be reasonable. Do it our  way.... :truce:

 :))
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Warwgn on April 30, 2018, 02:46:44 pm
Update on the Dunlop E4 in Goldwing size for the front, gotta get ready for a trip coming soon new tire arrives this week and yes going with the same tire Dunlop E4 Radial in 130/70R18. This has been a great tire all around and lasted very well, the center still looks good and not into the wear indicators yet, the sides are about halfway into the indicators but still look good and working well in the dry, it seems to have lost a little stickiness in the wet on a bridge I went over a couple weeks ago while it was raining. I was leaning at just the right angle to have the least amount of tread and it was loose so leaned a touch more and it was fine. Anyway have 28,300 mile on it now and will get a couple hundred more before the weekend so gotta say this has been a great tire and lasts!!
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Bushy on May 02, 2018, 12:06:41 am
Thanks for the update Warwgn, I was considering the wing sizes last year when I purchased the Shinko verge and 777 combo.
But with the bike being new to me I wanted to stick with what the bike “should” have.
I have been happy with the combo but find I am probably not using all the grip available. I will probably only get 8000 miles on these so your 28k sounds amazing.
How is the car tire holding up on the rear?
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Warwgn on May 02, 2018, 02:03:14 pm
got out the dial caliper last night since the new front came in and the new E4 had .160 tread depth to the top of the center wear indicator and the old has .030, so I would bet this tire would go well over 30K miles. (with how I ride and am set up)

The rear car tire still has tons of tread left, I did not put the gage on it but lots of tire left before it hit wear indicators.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Warwgn on May 05, 2018, 05:42:37 pm
seems I have a correction, the E4 on the front is bias ply but it will be replaced by a radial. Hope it holds up just as long.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: the doc on May 07, 2018, 08:35:29 pm
I am going with the factory specked Dunlop.. the K701 and K700, I have seen an Avon ripped apart at my mechanics shop.
He won't even mount them if I bought some. Glad you all had good luck with them.. !!  Mine are both radials and I hear they were specifically made for the bike. I will try to update you later on them, as I have not been a Dunlop fan at all.. just going with it one time..and see for myself.. I haerd stories on Laps are crap way back in the day.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Lee on May 07, 2018, 09:51:54 pm
Asking what tires are best is like asking who's the prettiest girl.  You'll get folks asking why you think that even matters in the choice :)

Marisa Tomei, Hopefully no one really cares why it matters. But believe she is an expert on tires and posi traction!
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Warwgn on May 07, 2018, 10:09:41 pm
 :))  Yes she is!
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: works4me on May 08, 2018, 01:30:09 am
I am going with the factory specked Dunlop.. the K701 and K700, I have seen an Avon ripped apart at my mechanics shop.
He won't even mount them if I bought some. Glad you all had good luck with them.. !!  Mine are both radials and I hear they were specifically made for the bike. I will try to update you later on them, as I have not been a Dunlop fan at all.. just going with it one time..and see for myself.. I haerd stories on Laps are crap way back in the day.

Those Dunlop’s were the cat’s meow, in 1986.
Now...not so much.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Zorlac on May 09, 2018, 02:04:38 am
I am going with the factory specked Dunlop.. the K701 and K700, I have seen an Avon ripped apart at my mechanics shop.
He won't even mount them if I bought some. Glad you all had good luck with them.. !!  Mine are both radials and I hear they were specifically made for the bike. I will try to update you later on them, as I have not been a Dunlop fan at all.. just going with it one time..and see for myself.. I haerd stories on Laps are crap way back in the day.
Keep the front at 42psi to try and limit the amount of cupping/scalloping of the tread. That Dunlop tar cups really bad at the specified pressure.
Good luck with those Dunlops.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: the doc on May 23, 2018, 11:14:10 pm
Thanks guys, for the tips and thoughts on the Dunlaops, they seem to grip nicely, I think the only thing I heard was they wear out fast. Course a sticky tire would have those tendencies right? Anyway they seem comfortable and thanks, on the tip on pressure, cuz the Sportmax that were on it had tread but dry-rotted (in the seam area) and the front did have cupping.. thanks again and happy and safe trails to all! :)
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Rastus on July 03, 2018, 02:23:33 am
I put on a set of Avon Storms about 8000 miles ago. I was impressed with their 15,000 mile wear-out warranty. From the beginning these tires have felt pretty sticky in the corners, but straight-line stability is definitely lacking. Any type of pavement irregularity like rain grooves, textured pavement, road cracks that have been tarred, and the like bring on the wobble. Triple digit wobbles are no fun! The back tire is squared off a bit, which I believe is partly from avoiding the superslab at all costs and spending most of my riding time in the twisties. Might have to take Robert Rainey's advice and get out my wood rasp.

03 C10
78 Z1-R
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: cra-z1000 on July 04, 2018, 01:24:45 pm
I put on a set of Avon Storms about 8000 miles ago. I was impressed with their 15,000 mile wear-out warranty. From the beginning these tires have felt pretty sticky in the corners, but straight-line stability is definitely lacking. Any type of pavement irregularity like rain grooves, textured pavement, road cracks that have been tarred, and the like bring on the wobble. Triple digit wobbles are no fun! The back tire is squared off a bit, which I believe is partly from avoiding the superslab at all costs and spending most of my riding time in the twisties. Might have to take Robert Rainey's and get out my wood rasp.

Had this issue also , reduced pressure to 36lbs front and 38 rear and its alot better .
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Bushy on July 21, 2018, 12:18:44 am
Update for my Shinko verge and 777 tires.
I am on currently on my east coast (Canada) trip. Leaving from Ottawa area, went north in Quebec, through Labrador with lots of gravel (and potholes) Newfoundland and the Cabot trail in Nova Scotia.
So these tires have been excellent. No damage from boulders or poor road conditions, with some high spirited riding when no ones looking. Including an extended period of WOT on the new pavement section in labrador 14,000 kms the rear is close to the wear bars, but still leaning in well. The front has some cupping, but unlike the stock Dunlop’s I had before there is no excessive road noise.
I keep them around 40psi front and 37 rear.
I am happy with these results. The grip is still great wet and dry.
I will post pics in a day or 2 if anybody wants.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Bushy on July 28, 2018, 01:07:15 pm
I have 17,000 kms on theses now that my trip is complete. I now have a wobble between 65-80km/hr, with some cupping and road noise from the front.
I am still impressed with these tires as these kms were 70% interstate. I will be purchasing the same setup again soon.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Rastus on August 14, 2018, 02:41:46 pm
Update on the Avon Storm 3D-XM's. After 10,500 miles there was cord showing on the rear. The only shop within 50 miles was a Harley shop, and it just happened to have a 150/80-16 Michelin Scorcher 31 Harley Davidson tire. It is a bias-ply tire. I have run Bridgestone Battlax bias on the rear with various radials on the front with good results, so I gave the H/D tire a chance. With the 2/3 wore out Avon Storm radial on the front and the Michelin on the back, straight-line stability was back. No more wobbles at any speed. I will not buy another set of Avon Storms for my C10. Being a H/D tire, the Michelin cost a Hundred/Dollar more than a tire that doesn't say Harley Davidson on the sidewall, but it was kind of a necessity. I am thinking of replacing the Avon Storm front with a Michelin PR4-GT radial.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: ManWorkingHere on August 27, 2018, 08:59:16 pm
Hello,

This weekend I found cords showing on my Michelin 120/70 ZR18 Pilot Road 4 front tire.

I had bought the tire on the last day of COG 2018 in Georgia. Needed to replace mine for a slow leak overnight.  Ranger Jim got me pointed to a place that had a tire that fit.

I show 13,289.3 miles since I have had it.  How's that?

I think I might go back to Dunlops.  I have had them on before and I thought they were fine for me and my style of riding.

MWH
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Bearcat on December 23, 2018, 09:33:54 pm
The Avon Roadrider AM26 is working real well for me.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Warwgn on April 26, 2019, 01:20:32 pm
Well the Dunlop E4 radial performed great but the tread life is not as good as the Bias it seems, I have 24,464 miles on it and it needs to be replaced now. Still not to bad at all, but gonna go back with the bias ply E4, it is cheaper by $10 and gets me an extra 4,000 miles.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Jim on July 22, 2019, 08:40:01 pm
So I replaced the Sport Demon on the front with a PR4 (120/70zr18) about 1500 miles ago.  First thing I noted was the wobble between 45-50 was gone, instantly.  Second thing was the tread pattern on the outer edges is definitely pulled in when compare to the same size PR4 on a 3.5" rim.  The majority of the tires curvature remained the same.  I rode the same roads in CO with the Demon and the PR4 from one day to the next and found the tire handles great, even at peg scrapping lean angles (and that excludes that "new tire feel").  But because the tread is pulled in on the edges, there is no way to take advantage of the outer edges of the tread block.  It never felt like it was falling into a turn.  In fact, the Demon felt like that from the time I installed it.

Has anyone else had any experience with the PR4 on the standard rim when testing the limits?  I'd like to know if I'm in for any surprises.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: dysldu on August 01, 2019, 06:44:00 pm
Connie needs new shoes so I read through this thread (a herculean effort) and decided on a Shinko 777 for the rear.  Someone pages back recommended a Bridgestone BT-023 110-80/18 for the front.  But I can't find that anywhere online from a US source.

Others are recommending a Shinko Verge for the front but it seems to be only available in 120-70-18.

I can get a Bridgestone BT 45 in 110-80-18.

The Verge is a radial, the BT 45 is bias.

The Shinko rear is a bias.

So my considerations are 120-70-18 vs 110-80-18, and matching radial front with bias rear vs bias front and rear.

I'm looking for the best combination of handling, grip (wet and dry), and economy.

Anybody have any thoughts on this?
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Jim Snyder on August 01, 2019, 11:14:48 pm
Avon AM-26's.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: works4me on August 01, 2019, 11:48:40 pm
The BT-023 was  great tire. It had been replaced by the T-30 which is now the T31.
Still a great tire in my opinion.
Good handling, feedback,and longevity at a low price point.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: batboy on August 04, 2019, 12:25:55 pm
I have Bridgestone Exedra Max 120/70ZR18 on the front, so that size will fit. The 110-80-18 is perhaps easier to install onto the rim and maybe has better fuel economy (but that size is not always available as you are finding out).
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on August 04, 2019, 09:49:32 pm
I would have no issue myself, if I desired a "single purchase point/common tire mfg" combo of these..

http://tiresunlimited.com/ALL%20TIRES/Bridgestone/Bridgestone%20MC/bridgestone_battlax_bt023.htm (http://tiresunlimited.com/ALL%20TIRES/Bridgestone/Bridgestone%20MC/bridgestone_battlax_bt023.htm)

http://tiresunlimited.com/ALL%20TIRES/Bridgestone/Bridgestone%20MC/exedra_max.htm (http://tiresunlimited.com/ALL%20TIRES/Bridgestone/Bridgestone%20MC/exedra_max.htm)

I don't particularly care for B'Stones, as I am riding a C14... but always loved Michelin's and Avons, on my C10's.

in my mind, the best C10 tires were the older Michelin Macadam's.. un believable tires... no longer made in "our sizes".
these are off shoots of that design.
Rear
http://tiresunlimited.com/ALL%20TIRES/Michelin/Michelin%20Commander%20II.htm (http://tiresunlimited.com/ALL%20TIRES/Michelin/Michelin%20Commander%20II.htm)
front
http://tiresunlimited.com/ALL%20TIRES/Michelin/Michelin_Pilot_Activ.htm (http://tiresunlimited.com/ALL%20TIRES/Michelin/Michelin_Pilot_Activ.htm)
 and both suitable for older Connies, prior to the front end changes..

and I still don't rule these out, for general usage...
http://tiresunlimited.com/ALL%20TIRES/AVON/AVON%20MC/avon_venom.htm (http://tiresunlimited.com/ALL%20TIRES/AVON/AVON%20MC/avon_venom.htm)

finding a GREAT aggressive tire for my '78 KZ1000LtdB2, is still killing me... I have some Dunflop 491's, that I try to burn off... but they have about as much wet traction as 2 bricks being slid against each other... wet bricks at that...

still a lot of tire available for the C10, just forget about the radial aspect, and buy a good tire, (ie.e. a bias ply if desired... hell, people put stupid "car tire" on this bike, and don't even think about the rating...all they care about is how many miles they get..) with an acceptable speed rating, based on your riding... You will never see 150MPH on the bike, so buy tires rated for riding... as they are rated like 2x higher just on general saftey principal... i.e., you can go 200mph on an H rated tire, and it won't blow out... ya don't need Z rated tires.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Kelly E on August 05, 2019, 02:02:07 pm
I am running the Michelin Commander II rear and Pilot Activ front combination. I just got back from a 3700mi ride to the Black Hills and back through central Wyoming. The tires now have 5k miles on them and they could do the trip again. We did I-90 to Deadwood and mostly backroads the rest of the trip. These tires work great and I would buy them again but I have collected everything to change over to 17" wheels. I am going to put a set on my 84' Sabre 700 real soon though.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: connie_rider on August 05, 2019, 02:46:53 pm
I prefer radials as I feel they turn in more quickly, with less effort.
Soooo, just to be different;   >:D
    {instead of a 120/70R-18} I installed a 110/80R-18 Metzler Roadtec Z8 Interact on the front of my C-10.. {$115.85}
https://www.bikebandit.com/tires-tubes/motorcycle-tires/metzeler-roadtec-z8-interact-motorcycle-tire/p/30568 (https://www.bikebandit.com/tires-tubes/motorcycle-tires/metzeler-roadtec-z8-interact-motorcycle-tire/p/30568)

     {instead of a 150/80R-16} I installed a 180/60R-16 {Shinko Journey} on the rear of my C-10. {$131.85}
             Yes, it took some effort, but it fits fine...
https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/shinko-se890-journey-touring-radial-tires (https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/shinko-se890-journey-touring-radial-tires)

So far I like the combination, but the resultant tire profile's make the bike go into a turn "very" quickly! <evil grin>
If ya like playing in the twisties on yer C-10, "thinkaboutit"...   :motonoises:

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Jim on August 07, 2019, 05:32:46 pm
Ahh, as much as I hate change, I'm disappointed to see things haven't changed on this forum.  The previous comment, "hell, people put stupid "car tire" on this bike, and don't even think about the rating...all they care about is how many miles they get" was the final reminder why I haven't frequented this site in the last year and a half.

If I remember correctly, a couple of years ago, someone was unselfish enough to provide detailed info for anyone interested in going to the "dark side" with a car/taxi tire.  And, they provided this info without any derogatory remarks for those who didn't agree with this approach.  I'm sure the folks who put a lot of miles on their motorcycles surely appreciated the input whether they followed this path or not.

It's a shame some folks can't respect everyone's right to explore new things and/or just have fun when it doesn't impact them personally.  Sure, voice your opinion, dialog is good, but keep it respectful of other peoples feeling.  For me, I'm out of here.  I'm older now and I'm only going to live once, so I sure don't need these negative vibes.  I'm certainly going to miss communicating with the rank and file, but I've had enough of the elite few who spoil the fun.

Ride safe and have fun.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: bajasam on August 07, 2019, 07:39:49 pm
While it's always nice to be sensitive to other persons feelings, it would be extremely hard for me to keep a straight face and proclaim that it's a wonderful idea to take a performance motorcycle capable of 130mph and put a square tread antique car tire on it.I'm sure if a shop did this for someone they could probably get sued for malpractice. This is kinda like a toss-up between humorous and insensitive.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: connie_rider on August 07, 2019, 08:13:05 pm
I'm certainly going to miss communicating with the rank and file, but I've had enough of the elite few who spoil the fun.

Jim, don't cut yourself out of the fun.
If you don't like a discussion, simply go to another that is enjoyable to you.

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on August 08, 2019, 12:18:29 am
I just got an e-mail, from some person that doe not know me, saying pretty much"thank you for all the good advice you have given..."
 and told me to disregard the insults..

phehhh.. I don't find it an insult someone gleaned a "personal opinion/quip" I made, out of context, and turned it into a silly "crying session".. frankly, I stand behind my findings about car tires on Concours bikes.. I HAVE ridden 2 of them with the Taxi tires, and found the handling, re-activity, and safe feeling, a reason WHY i joke about it.. if someone wants to pop up, and dis me over what I said, well... if you ain't done it/ experienced it/paid for it.. you have zero to say. I personally can't tell someone to do it.. even those that have "done it" will admit... "it takes time to get used to the handling".. That in itself, should speak volumes.

Now, while the person eamed to go back in time, and find the "recommendation", they clearly didn't read the input that was given be me then, as Tech Editor, nor did they read the same thing the following tech editor Fred Harmon wrote.. non of us would ever "suggest" this swap to anyone.. if you want to stick some odd stuff on your bike, have at it.. tell us how it works out. But never say "hey everyone.. do this....."


sorry for the rant, i was only speaking from actual personal experience, and the outcome.

Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: m in sc on August 08, 2019, 02:35:30 pm
Ahh, as much as I hate change, I'm disappointed to see things haven't changed on this forum.  The previous comment, "hell, people put stupid "car tire" on this bike, and don't even think about the rating...all they care about is how many miles they get" was the final reminder why I haven't frequented this site in the last year and a half.

If I remember correctly, a couple of years ago, someone was unselfish enough to provide detailed info for anyone interested in going to the "dark side" with a car/taxi tire.  And, they provided this info without any derogatory remarks for those who didn't agree with this approach.  I'm sure the folks who put a lot of miles on their motorcycles surely appreciated the input whether they followed this path or not.

It's a shame some folks can't respect everyone's right to explore new things and/or just have fun when it doesn't impact them personally.  Sure, voice your opinion, dialog is good, but keep it respectful of other peoples feeling.  For me, I'm out of here.  I'm older now and I'm only going to live once, so I sure don't need these negative vibes.  I'm certainly going to miss communicating with the rank and file, but I've had enough of the elite few who spoil the fun.

Ride safe and have fun.
exactly why i wont be a paid member, as long as this behavior is tolerated, i wont support it either. It does NOT fly on my discussion board , at all. (yes, i own a 2 stroke forum) with a LOT of legacy. I see a LOT of nontraditional stuff done, but nobody gets flogged for it. if they do, ban-hammer time, regardless of how technically adept they are. Interestingly, all the people that have been in the business for 40+ years and such, (land speed holders, manufacturers, pro engine and race bike builders) don't leave and they, as true professionals, don't act that way either.  That's actually WHY  they stay in that community.  .02.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: works4me on August 08, 2019, 05:14:03 pm
I haven’t heard this much whining since daycare.

Let it go.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: connie_rider on August 08, 2019, 05:43:35 pm
For what it's worth, (at the recent COG National) the Michelin Motorcycle Tire Representative gave us his input about car tires on a motorcycle.
He said: DO NOT DO IT because {if the fail} they fail catastrophically in a manner {side wall blow out} that almost always causes a crash..

Ride safe, Ted

PS: After his discussion, I asked the Michelin Guy about the installation of the wider {180/60} tire on my C-10's narrow rim. {see post 606}
      He said; (Officially) he couldn't recommend it as the (180/60) tire is too wide for the rim.
                   (Unofficially) he said that he didn't feel I would have the same safety concerns that I would have if I installed a s____d car tire.
                   Then; we went outside, got a beer, and (Unofficially) talked bad about MOB..   :beerchug:
                               
 I'm trying to be funny here guys. Let's go back to the tire discussion..
               Ain't life great!!!   :rotflmao:
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Treadlightly on August 28, 2019, 08:08:51 pm
Hey there, I'm looking at putting some fresher tires on the 1986 I just bought. I like the grip I'm getting from the Bridgestone's that are on it but I've already put a thousand miles on them and they are 4 years old. Question is can I use a 120/70 18 on the front? Can't find a match for the one it came with 110/80 18. Back is no problem, I found a match for it 150/ 80 16. No real hurry, they still have good depth for now.
Title: Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
Post by: Treadlightly on August 28, 2019, 08:47:28 pm
A little more searching found what is the OEM tire for the ST1100 rated V for Vrooom. Same size as my front tire 110/80 18 for $107 and change. Bridgestone Excedra Cruiser. That'll do it I think.  ;)

https://www.amazon.com/Bridgestone-Excedra-Cruiser-Front-Motorcycle/dp/B005J8WGKA/ref=sr_1_5_sspa?keywords=bridgestone+motorcycle+tires+110%2F80+18&qid=1567027966&s=automotive&sr=1-5-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzNkw2TUtTQjU3TjJBJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwODUwNDk2VzlMUUdGTTFSN0tPJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTA2OTg2OTkxTEoxNUtNWlpUUFJYJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfbXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ== (https://www.amazon.com/Bridgestone-Excedra-Cruiser-Front-Motorcycle/dp/B005J8WGKA/ref=sr_1_5_sspa?keywords=bridgestone+motorcycle+tires+110%2F80+18&qid=1567027966&s=automotive&sr=1-5-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzNkw2TUtTQjU3TjJBJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwODUwNDk2VzlMUUdGTTFSN0tPJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTA2OTg2OTkxTEoxNUtNWlpUUFJYJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfbXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==)