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Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
« Reply #100 on: July 06, 2011, 02:38:19 pm »
Might be a newbee question but what should the tire pressure be in the Avons?
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Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
« Reply #101 on: July 07, 2011, 09:00:11 pm »
I stuck to the book think its 36 front 41 rear.

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Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
« Reply #102 on: July 07, 2011, 11:06:08 pm »
Avon radials or BT45 bias ply?

Does riding on radials have an advantage?

I like the looks of both and the feedback on the Avons.
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Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
« Reply #103 on: July 07, 2011, 11:53:30 pm »
I run 41 front and rear.  Less chance of cupping that way.  Have a TPS system and on a really hot day after a high speed run on the highway, get up to a max of 45 in the front and 43 in the rear. 
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Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
« Reply #104 on: July 08, 2011, 06:40:40 pm »
Avon radials or BT45 bias ply?

Does riding on radials have an advantage?

I like the looks of both and the feedback on the Avons.

Short answer is yes to Radials. Bias ply are old skool.

Short answer to Avons or BT45's its, its up to YOUR priorities. What is right for YOU.

Having said that I am probably sticking with BT-45's, a bias ply tire.  Thinking of the same groups of tires I mentioned above and plotting them on a line I would put ME880 type Wing Tires on one end, with Avons on the other ened. I would put Pilot GT Wing Tires ( not longer available ) in the middle.  Having personally used K700/701, ME880's, Pilot GT's, D205's and BT45's I would plot the BT45s down on the performance end near the Avons. I have not used the Avons, but I have used the D205 High Performance Z rated Radial tires.  BT45's are down on this end if the spectrum.  I would still give the edge to the Avons simply because they are Z rated radials versus V rated bias. But in the overall plot were drawing the BT45s are on this end right behind them versus down where the Pilot GT's are, and no where near where the ME880's are.

To that end, are you willing to spend a little more and slightly less tire life to push a bit further up the graph. Or is spending a little less and getting 1-2K better mileage worth being a bit lower on the graph.

For me I ride like an old grandpa so I can give up the slight performance loss to save money and gain a extra K or two before having to change out the short lived rear tires. An still use tires on this end of the spectum. -- I would consider going back to a Wing tire if there were any that matched up to the Pilot GT. This is where I draw the line on the graph. I will not go back to an ME880 type Wing tire. That includes Dunlop Elite 3 and a few others I have ridden on fellow COG members bikes.  -- I wish I knew where the Avon Venoms were on that scale. I have yet to read a Venom versus GT comparison.

So for now its BT-45 for me.

And one more plug for the 17" rear. As this opens up a modern set of matched tires that pushes our scale we just made to a new level, with Avons ( Storm / Azaro combo ) no longer being head of the list.
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Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
« Reply #105 on: July 08, 2011, 07:00:37 pm »
thanks for that.  I have the k701/k700 on the bike now.  If the BT-45 is a better handling tire, that is all i need. I like the curvies, but i won't be dragging pegs anytime soon. 
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Re: Worthwhile Storm 2 / Azaro ST info... received directly from Avon.
« Reply #106 on: July 20, 2011, 09:56:42 pm »
While it would be nice to have matched pairs more readily available, it looks like the slim choices will continue for the C10. Heard back from Kevin Corbett, a "Technical Service Representative" from Avon. The Storm 2/Azaro ST combination is their sole recommendation for the C10, further stating that they "will not cause any performance issues when used on the same bike." Tire pressure should be 36psi front /42psi rear for solo riding , and 38psi front /45psi rear for two-up riding. Hope the rest of you find this info useful.

I am now running the Avon unmatched pair as recommended by Avon above.  I love the way they handle.  Not mileage data yet.
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Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
« Reply #107 on: July 21, 2011, 04:38:56 pm »
Hey, the front and rear or the bike handle differently anyway, so maybe we need mismatched tires to get the best out of each anyway.
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Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
« Reply #108 on: July 30, 2011, 04:02:15 am »
  Well, for what it's worth...  In July 2011...
When I went to get new tires, my dealership said the AVON STORMS were discontinued.   His distributor recommended the AVON tire ROADRIDER, which I bought.  The 110/80 cost me $136.00 and the 150/80 cost me $180.00.  So far so good.  Enjoy the Ride.  Dennis    8)

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Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
« Reply #109 on: August 01, 2011, 04:18:37 pm »
My tire guy tried to pull that Storm not available crap on me also.  I told him that where ever he heard that it was not true.  He called back and said he had them on the way.  Someone must have printed a bad catalog.
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Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
« Reply #110 on: August 04, 2011, 08:56:56 am »
I need a tire guy, so they just appear with more rubber, maybe more like a tire elf.
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Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
« Reply #111 on: August 04, 2011, 11:41:31 am »
Yrs, but then they leave... with your pot 'o gold...  :rotflmao:
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Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
« Reply #112 on: August 29, 2011, 03:01:52 pm »
I just mounted a Shinko 777 rear tire.  I can tell already that it has more traction than the K701 it replaced and surprisingly the wiggle over rain grooves is gone.  I always thought it was the front tire that caused that.  I have only about 400 miles on it, but I can guess it will last as least as long as the Dunlop that I removed that was worn at 5K.  It was very affordable too.  I still have a K700 on the front and even though mixing radial and bias are supposed to be forbidden, the bike is handling great.

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Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
« Reply #113 on: August 29, 2011, 03:51:30 pm »
My new Avon's arrive today.  I can't wait.  I'm concerned i won't notice a difference. 

However, yesterday's ride (290 miles of twisties) didn't feel right.  I stopped and verified tire pressures even.  The bike didn't feel sure footed at all.  I have 700/701 (OEM's) on it, and they are at the TWI's.  Front is mildly cupped, and on the 'lows', it is bald.  I knew this was the last ride on the tires, and it grew into more of a ride (miles wise) than intended. 

Will the Sport2/AV46 feel more stout in the corners? More confidence inspiring?  I love the bike, and can't wait for next weekend's ride. ;)
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Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
« Reply #114 on: August 29, 2011, 04:02:49 pm »
Comparing my '88 with the wing sized Pilot GTs, and the '01 with the Avons. While the Pilots provide a smooth steady ride, gliding effortlessly over tar snakes, cracks, mismatched pavement heights and corner smooth and competently, the Avons take 100 pounds off the bike.
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Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
« Reply #115 on: August 29, 2011, 11:23:53 pm »
Comparing my '88 with the wing sized Pilot GTs, and the '01 with the Avons. While the Pilots provide a smooth steady ride, gliding effortlessly over tar snakes, cracks, mismatched pavement heights and corner smooth and competently, the Avons take 100 pounds off the bike.

The same improvement in steering effort and light steering I got going from Pilot GT's to the D205's and BT45's is about the same improvement I got when going from  ME880's to Pilot GT's.  Back in the day before the GT's and ME880's were the thing for Wing Tars, people who went from the Avons to the 880's direction musta really been in for a shock.
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Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
« Reply #116 on: September 02, 2011, 03:55:42 am »
My new Avon's arrive today.  I can't wait.  I'm concerned i won't notice a difference. 

However, yesterday's ride (290 miles of twisties) didn't feel right.  I stopped and verified tire pressures even.  The bike didn't feel sure footed at all.  I have 700/701 (OEM's) on it, and they are at the TWI's.  Front is mildly cupped, and on the 'lows', it is bald.  I knew this was the last ride on the tires, and it grew into more  Uh huh
Will the Sport2/AV46 feel more stout in the corners? More confidence inspiring?  I love the bike, and can't wait for next weekend's ride. ;)
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Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
« Reply #117 on: September 02, 2011, 04:44:38 am »
They are on, and feel WAY different.  Fighting a decel wobble at this point.  Not bad enough i will give up the tires, but i'm at a little over 100 miles on them, and starting to narrow up the chicken strips.

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Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
« Reply #118 on: September 02, 2011, 06:11:13 pm »
Have you tried tightening the head stem bearing?
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Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
« Reply #119 on: September 02, 2011, 06:32:55 pm »
cleaned and adjusted it last night.  Haven't ridden it yet.  In about 3 hours i'll take it for a test loop.
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Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
« Reply #120 on: September 14, 2011, 04:24:21 pm »
I've got a set of the Avon roadriders on my 87 . So far so good but I don't get much twisty experience here in Dfw . Not much here but straight lines and huge potholes !  :'(
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Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
« Reply #121 on: September 14, 2011, 05:27:46 pm »
I've got a set of the Avon roadriders on my 87 . So far so good but I don't get much twisty experience here in Dfw . Not much here but straight lines and huge potholes !  :'(
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Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
« Reply #122 on: September 23, 2011, 10:28:27 pm »
love my kenda kruse 160/80 110/90. have 9k on em, looks like they will go 12-15k. sure footed in the rain and I have leaned em over so far in the twisties, I wear the front "nubs" off the bags. About $150 for the pair.
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Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
« Reply #123 on: September 23, 2011, 11:57:48 pm »
"About $150 for the pair."

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Re: So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?
« Reply #124 on: October 05, 2011, 09:01:35 am »
After 27+K in my first year and being down to first layer peal off (and with an inspection nearing with my 1st year anniversary) on my second set of Dunlop 700/701's I just placed an order for the Avon Venom AM41 and AM42 bias set. I wore the first set out in the middle rear and had lots of cupping on the front. Being a commuter in DFW I ran both sets down to nuthin!
The second set went on with MBREWS help and with dyna beads for ballancing. 1oz front 2oz's rear. I really like the beads and although the second set got much more aggressive action and 3 good distance runs they lasted about the same so I count that as a reccomendation FOR the beads. I did wear out much more of the sides both front and rear now that I am comfortable on the bike. I am soon to move to Texarkana as a great job opportunity has surfaced. My commute of 100 miles + daily across DFW will be transformed into a weekend dash to our Mansfield home (250ish 1 way) where Kitty will be finishing school for the next 10 months and a monthly run to Hot Springs Village to visit Mom. ( the main reason for a relocation) I hope to stay in the 25,000 mile yearly area but will add some twisted diversions to the mix! Better mileage and handling from the GL1500 sized Avons is my hope and the future will tell for sure! ;) I will try and post thoughts on the Avons as I can.

(corrected yearly to 25,000) I am at nearly 25K since I got the bike Oct 25th last year.
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