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Offline chillybilly

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Tire changer and balancing beads
« on: April 10, 2013, 07:30:45 am »
Hi all,

Has anybody tried using balancing beads without any wheel weights? I'm thinking of trying the Ride-On Tire balancer and sealant on my 93 Connie. I'm planning on putting on Michelin Commander II tires front and rear and using the Ride-On product with it. I'm looking for a good tire changing tool also. There are several listed on amazon and motorcycle superstore. Anybody have any recommendations?

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Re: Tire changer and balancing beads
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2013, 09:20:50 am »
I've not had any experience personally with Ride-On however I read several post of people saying that will corrode your wheels. that being said I've been using dyna beads for a few years now and can you they work like a charm.

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Re: Tire changer and balancing beads
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2013, 09:38:25 am »
Yes, I have beads in my front and rear which I changed myself & they work quite well.

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Re: Tire changer and balancing beads
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2013, 10:19:09 am »
Once you use dyna-beads, you will never use a wheel weight again. I have been using them for years on all past and present bikes. The beauty of it all is the tire stays balance till it needs replacing.
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Re: Tire changer and balancing beads
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2013, 12:29:48 pm »
I am a Dyna bead user also. I am very happy with this product. The manufacturer recommends removing all balancing weights.

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Re: Tire changer and balancing beads
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2013, 12:32:23 pm »
I'm hoping the Sealant will also help with punctures and enhance durability. I'm seeing that the Michelin Commander II isn't made in the size I need for the front on the '93 Concours. Since the Commander II is a bias ply tire do I need to find a bias tire for the front also? The front Commander II has an 'R' in the tire size. Does that mean Michelin is making the front radial and the rear bias? I'm confused.

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Re: Tire changer and balancing beads
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2013, 12:36:03 pm »
Putting sealant in a tire is a no-no, as the beads need to be free to move around. I wouldn't know about the Michelin, most people these days are using either Avons or Shinkos.
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Re: Tire changer and balancing beads
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2013, 12:46:17 pm »
Oops, I got confused between the Michelin Pilot 3 and Commander II. Looks like all the Commander sizes are bias.  Ride-On makes a product that is both balancing beads and sealant. It would seem the two should be at odds. That's why I posted the query about the product. You can read more about it here:  http://www.ride-on.com/motorcycle-formula-mot.html

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Re: Tire changer and balancing beads
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2013, 06:47:54 pm »
I have been using beads for years. The only reason I would ever go back to weights is if I quit doing my tires myself. Using beads is just so damned easy.
I don't like sealant in my tires, it makes way to much of a mess when changing them.
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Re: Tire changer and balancing beads
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2013, 02:43:06 pm »
Counteract balancing beads is IMO much better than the bb type. IT is similiar to water softner resin (not sand) and will stay in position inside the tire from static cling. To install, a 2oz bag goes inside tire (bag is designed to break down quickly).
I have used these for years and been quite happy with them........especially on large offroad mud tires.

I have dyna beads in front tire of my concours now, and will not use them again.(They make a wierd out of balance shake at 40mph or so if banked over quite hard in a corner).
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Re: Tire changer and balancing beads
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2013, 12:49:08 pm »
The tube tires on my KLR had beads in the tires it came with. I had issues with a bead or two getting stock in the valve core when checking the tires. The only solution was to remove the valve core, remove the bead(s) stuck in it, replace it, and refill the tire. It didn't always happen, it did occur about 1/3 of the time. Quite aggravating and a huge PIA. Particularly an issue when wanting to air down for off road. Tried it with valve up, down, sideways. No help.

I'm now in the process of install TPS on the Conc, the rear is already installed. I assume that would be a larger headache dealing with the beads.

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Re: Tire changer and balancing beads
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2013, 12:57:13 pm »
I've been using the ride on sealant for about 4 years now in two different bikes, I think the stuff is awesome, when you're touring and riding way the hell and gone in the middle of nowhere that puncture sealing feature in pure peace of mind.  The fact that it balances your wheel and constantly redistributes itself as the tire wears is an added bonus.  :)

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Re: Tire changer and balancing beads
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2013, 03:41:33 pm »
I've been using the ride on sealant for about 4 years now in two different bikes, I think the stuff is awesome, when you're touring and riding way the hell and gone in the middle of nowhere that puncture sealing feature in pure peace of mind.  The fact that it balances your wheel and constantly redistributes itself as the tire wears is an added bonus.  :)
Having heard all of the horror stories, how does the inside of your wheel look?

It's hard to argue against the sealing up part, that's has to be a good thing. I've decided to go the TPS route(it also reads temperature)  for a heads up on pending failure. I'll still be on my own for the repair. :(
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Re: Tire changer and balancing beads
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2013, 09:27:44 pm »
Haven't had any mechanics make a comment about seeing damage to the rim, remember, this stuff coats the center of the tire and should have very little contact with the metal rim. ;)

There's lots of youtube videos showing the stuff in action.
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Re: Tire changer and balancing beads
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2013, 11:45:44 pm »
I ran Ride-On for several years, and it worked great, until it didn't. Small screw, middle of the tread, right where the material should have worked, but it didn't. Sent them an email as a curiosity, they replied with lots of weaseling, as though I was blaming them for my flat. Haven't bother with it since.

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Re: Tire changer and balancing beads
« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2013, 11:12:57 am »
I would A$$ume that if you have Slime/Ride On in a tire, and it leaks, you will not be able to plug the hole, leaving you S.O.L. on the side of the road. Correct?
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Re: Tire changer and balancing beads
« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2013, 11:55:10 am »
I guess the whole concept is that the stuff is supposed to fill and plug the hole, that being said I'm sure the size of the puncture plays a part in whether it actually works or not.

Cool video here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqkBfEHYzxw

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Re: Tire changer and balancing beads
« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2013, 02:43:03 am »
Ok now that was impressive ..I've been watching this thread for several days and after todays events helping my buddy change 2 new tires on his Harley (the ones that uses tube  ::)  ) I think I might go get a bottle to try out .
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Re: Tire changer and balancing beads
« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2013, 03:23:14 am »
I put my Ride-On in during the past weekend.  Did a test ride, not long enough to tell. But today (35 miles commute), I found I am very happy with the stable feeling.  I would say putting 16 oz on tires (7oz in the front; 9 oz in the rear) definitely increased the tire weight, maybe that weight is the reason to make me feel tire is "balance". 
Bottom line is tire stays on the ground more often and quieter.  Pretty much like every time, when you have a new tire on the bike, everything feels perfect. Then thing get carried away in couples thousands miles later.
I will keep using it; with additional assurance in mind I will not be grounded by inflation on the road.

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Re: Tire changer and balancing beads
« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2013, 03:29:30 am »
I tried the beads on my old C10, and really didn't notice any diff.  Several mechanic friends of mine say they actually wear the tire out from the inside.  Don't know if that is true or not, but I CAN tell you, they sure make a mess when changing tires.
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Re: Tire changer and balancing beads
« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2013, 12:01:59 am »
I haven't seen any mess or wear in mine. I use the Dyna Beads. They work great.
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Re: Tire changer and balancing beads
« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2013, 02:05:33 am »
I haven't seen any mess or wear in mine. I use the Dyna Beads. They work great.
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Re: Tire changer and balancing beads
« Reply #22 on: May 22, 2013, 07:29:54 pm »
I tried the beads on my old C10, and really didn't notice any diff.  Several mechanic friends of mine say they actually wear the tire out from the inside.  Don't know if that is true or not, but I CAN tell you, they sure make a mess when changing tires.

I have just over 18,000 miles on a set of Pilot GT's that were mounted with Dyna beads right from the start and couldn't be happier with them.
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Re: Tire changer and balancing beads
« Reply #23 on: May 22, 2013, 07:38:45 pm »
makes you wonder why we don't just fill the tires full of the stuff.

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Re: Tire changer and balancing beads
« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2013, 10:18:44 am »
More is not necessarily better. In this case, it would be more weight for no benefit. Once the tires are balanced no need for more.
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