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« on: April 23, 2019, 01:12:33 am »
I apologize.  This has to be an "always" topic, but I need tire help.  Just got my 2006 Concours.

What is the recommendation for a matching set of 120/70/18 Fr and 150/80/16 Rr?  Just looking to replace standard manufacture sizes.  Are the Dunlop 700/701 my only choice?

I don't ride aggressively.  Probably 5,000 miles a year.

I've asked a few shops, even Kawasaki dealers and they really haven't been much help.

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Re: Tires Tires Tires
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2019, 02:13:03 am »
You may do what many have done and go with the 110/80-18 front and the standard 150/80-16 rear. I ran Avon AM-26's in those sizes on my 02 for many years before I did the 17" wheel conversion front and rear.
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Re: Tires Tires Tires
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2019, 12:17:19 pm »
There are many brands of tires available in the stock sizes, but the radial has gotten more difficult to find.
If you want to stay with a radial, several have gone to the Avon Spirit ST.

https://www.americanmototire.com/street-tires/?narrow=%5B%5B%22Brand%22%2C%22AVON%22%5D%2C%5B%22Model%22%2C%22SPIRIT%20ST%22%5D%5D&disable_semantics=1

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Re: Tires Tires Tires
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2019, 02:53:13 pm »
there's no real need to have matching tires with your riding style, unless it's just an anal retentive personality quirk that things have to match. I have matched manufactuer tires(Michilen) but front is a radial road pilot 4 gt, rear is bias Commander.handles smooth as silk, with no quirks,

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Re: Tires Tires Tires
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2019, 12:10:55 am »
My 2001 came (used) with matching Bridgestone Exedra Max tires. They were fine for me. I don’t push it that hard.  Not sure how many miles they had.
Currently running a rear Shinko 777 and front Continental road attack 110-80-18. After a little squirrliness during break in, I like the combo.
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Re: Tires Tires Tires
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2019, 01:52:08 pm »
+1 on the am26's.

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Re: Tires Tires Tires
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2019, 01:00:20 pm »
+1 on the am26's.

I keep telling folks these ain't your daddy's bias ply tires, they ride and handle like a dream. The weird thing is these have been available for years and very few even knew about them. And if you doubt my comments about how well they handle ask Daytona Mike or anyone else who ever followed my C-10 thru the twisties.
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Re: Tires Tires Tires
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2019, 01:34:41 pm »
In another discussion, a member posted that he got over 24,000 miles on a set of Dunlop E-4's {radials}..
I never got anywhere near that many miles on any tire!

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Re: Tires Tires Tires
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2019, 05:22:04 pm »
You may do what many have done and with the 110/80-18 front and the standard 150/80-16 rear. I ran Avon AM-26's in those sizes on my 02 for many years before I did the 17" wheel conversion front and rear.

 :beerchug: That is the correct tire size for the front.. Agreed.   110/80-18 front   (the 120/70 will be pinched on the 3 inch front rim.. the 120 is made for a wider rim 3.5 to 4.0 - which we do not have) The 110/80 is the correct sized tire for our 3 inch wide rim
I think the Avon 3D is about the best tire option out there right now for the rear as there is not a lot left to choose from.
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Re: Tires Tires Tires
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2019, 11:54:58 pm »
Plus one on the AM-26s and the 110/80 front tire size. I just put a set on my 2006. Was running a Bridgestone BT45 rear and a T30 front. I was a little apprehensive about going to a bias front after having a radial. I wanted to try a matched set of tires, and it's really working nicely so far. Thanks to Jim Snyder and others in this forum for singing their praises!

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Re: Tires Tires Tires
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2019, 04:45:27 pm »
My "new-to-me" `99 has Bridgestones with about 2K miles left in them -- how do the AM26s wear... (as compared to whatever).  I have no sense of Connie tire wear -- my last two heavy bikes usually got 24-26K on the fronts and about half that on the back (usually Metz 880s), but I gather that won't happen on a Connie (???)

Anyway I'll need tires shortly... thanks

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Re: Tires Tires Tires
« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2019, 06:35:41 pm »
My "new-to-me" `99 has Bridgestones with about 2K miles left in them -- how do the AM26s wear... (as compared to whatever).  I have no sense of Connie tire wear -- my last two heavy bikes usually got 24-26K on the fronts and about half that on the back (usually Metz 880s), but I gather that won't happen on a Connie (???)

Anyway I'll need tires shortly... thanks

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The wear all depends on road surface. In Texas an average motorcycle tire lasts me about 5 to 6 thousand miles. The same tire in the northeast can last 8 to 10 thousand miles.  It never made sense to me that the states with the most ice and snow seem to have smooth road surfaces. Texas's famous tar and chip surface is like a horseshoeing rasp.
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Re: Tires Tires Tires
« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2019, 06:53:51 pm »
Riding style effects the tire wear too.
After all, everyone knows that TeXanS get less miles bekuz, we are the fastest riders....  :sign0137:
                       Particularly TeXanS that also ride in ArKanSaS
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Re: Tires Tires Tires
« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2019, 07:36:51 pm »
My "new-to-me" `99 has Bridgestones with about 2K miles left in them -- how do the AM26s wear... (as compared to whatever).  I have no sense of Connie tire wear -- my last two heavy bikes usually got 24-26K on the fronts and about half that on the back (usually Metz 880s), but I gather that won't happen on a Connie (???)

Anyway I'll need tires shortly... thanks

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The wear all depends on road surface. In Texas an average motorcycle tire lasts me about 5 to 6 thousand miles. The same tire in the northeast can last 8 to 10 thousand miles.  It never made sense to me that the states with the most ice and snow seem to have smooth road surfaces. Texas's famous tar and chip surface is like a horseshoeing rasp.

"states with the most ice and snow seem to have smooth road surfaces."

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Re: Tires Tires Tires
« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2019, 09:14:33 pm »
My "new-to-me" `99 has Bridgestones with about 2K miles left in them -- how do the AM26s wear... (as compared to whatever).  I have no sense of Connie tire wear -- my last two heavy bikes usually got 24-26K on the fronts and about half that on the back (usually Metz 880s), but I gather that won't happen on a Connie (???)

Anyway I'll need tires shortly... thanks

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The wear all depends on road surface. In Texas an average motorcycle tire lasts me about 5 to 6 thousand miles. The same tire in the northeast can last 8 to 10 thousand miles.  It never made sense to me that the states with the most ice and snow seem to have smooth road surfaces. Texas's famous tar and chip surface is like a horseshoeing rasp.

I wish I could get 8K miles out of a tire..I've averaged 5k for many years, both here and down in Va.;  here in Ohio, when the roads get "salted", they also use sand.. and that in effect "cuts" the rough surface.. but our roads are smoother in general, because they are quality Ashphalt Blacktop...with lots of oily snot in it.. smooth and creamy, but dangerous when wet... and they aren't made with "crushed seashell's" like the roads down south and along the coast....

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Re: Tires Tires Tires
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2019, 10:26:33 am »
Riding style effects the tire wear too.
After all, everyone knows that TeXanS get less miles bekuz, we are the fastest riders....  :sign0137:
                       Particularly TeXanS that also ride in ArKanSaS
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I will have to agree with Ted, we do shred some rubber when we go to Arkansas !!!  :motonoises:
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Re: Tires Tires Tires
« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2019, 01:51:36 pm »

The wear all depends on road surface. In Texas an average motorcycle tire lasts me about 5 to 6 thousand miles. The same tire in the northeast can last 8 to 10 thousand miles. 

Yikes; I may have to take a second job to afford tires... I recall reading some time ago where a guy used Metz 880 (not 888) for a long CCC run, and everyone cautioned him it would be like riding on ice, but he wanted the longer wear -- 880's will run nearly forever if twist gently and don't get aggressive with the brakes.
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Re: Tires Tires Tires
« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2019, 04:31:23 am »
I have to agree with Jim Snyder on the Avon AM26 Roadrider tire. Liter-sized bikes like the C10 work great wearing V-rated bias ply tires. I just made a 13 day run from Redding, CA, to Fairbanks, AK, on a set of Roadriders. I encountered road conditions from the very good to the all f**ked up, sometimes with little or no warning, with rain regularly. The Roadriders were confidence-inspiring under all conditions. The only times I ever got that eebie-jeebie feeling was going over those metal-decked bridges where the bars don’t line up, especially the ones with the little hop every 40 feet on unaligned bars. No loss of control, just a feeling. I challenge any tire to do metal bridge decks(usually wet) comfortably. After roughly 7000 miles, the rear center sipes are almost gone, but the front tire looks ready for another 7000. The 110/80-18 front seems to have a little quicker response than the 120, but the only time you really notice is when you forget to put your foot down at a stop light while having the bars turned. Love these tires and will continue to use them.

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« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2019, 08:51:37 pm »
Thanks Rastus,
  It's ironic that this tire has been around for so long and few knew it existed. It's always been available in stock sizes and the handling is amazing. I ran the AM-26's all the way to the edge of the tread on many Arkansas twisty trips and they always performed flawlessly. It's like I said a dozen times, the AM-26's ain't your daddy's bias ply tires.
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« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2019, 02:39:07 am »
I didn’t have much doubt about trying the Avon’s after you recommended them Jim, as I had previously used v-rated bias ply tires exclusively on my Z1-R back in the 80’s and 90’s, with good success, and I rode that bike way faster and harder in the corners than I ride my C10.

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« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2019, 06:28:55 pm »
Well I ordered the garden variety Dunlop 700/701 combination... wasn't really clear on what to order with the Avons (or others), and since Connie tires apparently wear out in a couple of weekends, I figure I had an extra month or so to get educated -- and by then may have deciphered the code on tires.
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« Reply #21 on: July 19, 2019, 01:42:36 am »
Well I ordered the garden variety Dunlop 700/701 combination... wasn't really clear on what to order with the Avons (or others), and since Connie tires apparently wear out in a couple of weekends, I figure I had an extra month or so to get educated -- and by then may have deciphered the code on tires.
Always come to the forum first before buying tires, that's why we are here. You will not like the 700/701's.
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« Reply #22 on: July 19, 2019, 09:57:29 am »

You will not like the 700/701's.

Well, I can always frame `em and hang them on the wall in the shop -- I wandered about the forum, but what I couldn't seem to figure out was going to the 110 from v. 120, and then what...  In any case, I'm not a fan of Dunlop (in any fashion), but then I don't ride hard enough to push the tires much either, so I could probably take the ones off a Schwinn and get by...
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« Reply #23 on: July 19, 2019, 02:09:26 pm »
I would'nt worry about it. You'll be just fine with the type of riding you do, and the 110-120 thing is nothing to waste time worrying about. Both sizes are in use on hundreds of bikes with no noticeable differences, its only one or two guys that think its a big deal, its only a tire width difference of a little more than 1/4 inch.Try not to fixate on having matching tires and you'll find many many choices out there.

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« Reply #24 on: July 19, 2019, 04:25:48 pm »
Try not to fixate on having matching tires and you'll find many many choices out there.

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