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Re: Tires Tires Tires
« Reply #25 on: August 14, 2019, 04:34:20 pm »
An update on the mileage on Avon AM26’s. My 110/80 front currently has about 14,000 miles on it, and has worn evenly, and appears ready for thousands of miles more. The 150/80 rear that was put on at the same time, was changed out after about 8500 miles, which included a run to Alaska and back on some bad roads. I don’t burn my rear tire on launch, although I do accelerate hard sometimes. The current rear, with around 5500 on it, appears to have a couple thousand miles more.

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Re: Tires Tires Tires
« Reply #26 on: August 15, 2019, 02:23:31 am »
An update on the mileage on Avon AM26’s. My 110/80 front currently has about 14,000 miles on it, and has worn evenly, and appears ready for thousands of miles more. The 150/80 rear that was put on at the same time, was changed out after about 8500 miles, which included a run to Alaska and back on some bad roads. I don’t burn my rear tire on launch, although I do accelerate hard sometimes. The current rear, with around 5500 on it, appears to have a couple thousand miles more.
That is awesome mileage. It still baffles me that more folks have not tried these tires. They have been available in C-10 sizes for years. I ran several sets when I had my 02 Silverbullet and they were great tires with tons of grip.
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Re: Tires Tires Tires
« Reply #27 on: August 15, 2019, 02:42:56 pm »
As to mileage on the Avon AM26 Roadrider tires, after 14,000 miles, my 110/80-18 front looks good and appears to have thousands more miles. The 150/80-16 rear lasted about 8500 miles till almost bald, and the second rear appears 2/3 worn out after around 5500 miles. The AM26 Roadrider tires have great grip, even under adverse weather and road conditions(think Alaska). Will continue to run these tires on my C10 as long as they make them.

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Re: Tires Tires Tires
« Reply #28 on: August 15, 2019, 07:26:05 pm »
I've never had a set of Avons, but common sense would dictate that if its going 18000 miles its not really a grippy tire, for your level of riding it might be really grippy,but compared to a real grippy tire that wears out in 3000mi its probably as grippy as a chunk of granite.Those factory racer dudes would pay loads of money for a tire compound that was capable of doing what your claiming.

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Re: Tires Tires Tires
« Reply #29 on: August 15, 2019, 07:57:30 pm »
am26's are grippy, some of the AHRMA guys run them on the track bikes actually. (usually they run the AM22's as well). they have a deep pattern. I run them on my smaller bikes, and i ride them very aggressively. they are sticky, make no doubt.  But if oyu are relatively gentle on them, they do last quite long.

I get about 4-4.5k out of a rear on the rd's, thats it. maybe 7 on the front.  I bought a set for the concours, they work way better than expected on such a pig of a bike.
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Re: Tires Tires Tires
« Reply #30 on: October 07, 2019, 01:18:20 pm »
You may do what many have done and with the 110/80-18 front and the standard 150/80-16 rear. I ran Avon AM-26's in those sizes on my 02 for many years before I did the 17" wheel conversion front and rear.

 :beerchug: That is the correct tire size for the front.. Agreed.   110/80-18 front   (the 120/70 will be pinched on the 3 inch front rim.. the 120 is made for a wider rim 3.5 to 4.0 - which we do not have) The 110/80 is the correct sized tire for our 3 inch wide rim
I think the Avon 3D is about the best tire option out there right now for the rear as there is not a lot left to choose from.

Why do you say that the 110/ 80 is the correct size tire for the front when Kawasaki says it should be 120/70?

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Re: Tires Tires Tires
« Reply #31 on: October 07, 2019, 03:40:02 pm »
Its just another opinion, either size will work just fine and both have been used for many years will great reviews, don't get hung up with one opposing view, now if fifty people tell you something you might want to investigate their advice.

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Re: Tires Tires Tires
« Reply #32 on: October 07, 2019, 05:31:34 pm »
Wantabeach, {as I understand it} the 120 size is a bit too wide for the OEM Rim.
The tire that came with the bike was actually an undersized 120.

The 110 is the correct size for the rim, and the different tire profile helps with turn in... (Slightly better handling}

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Re: Tires Tires Tires
« Reply #33 on: October 07, 2019, 07:22:24 pm »
Wantabeach, {as I understand it} the 120 size is a bit too wide for the OEM Rim.
The tire that came with the bike was actually an undersized 120.

The 110 is the correct size for the rim, and the different tire profile helps with turn in... (Slightly better handling}

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the 110/80 was the specified tire for pre '94 models, but changed....

'94 and up models specified the 120/70 tire... as that was when the rim, front brakes, and subsequently the bearings, changed.
it should be noted on the under seat sticker on the model year in question..

interesting dimensional differences that changed during the "new front setup" were minimal, but noted.
Length remained the same
Trail remained the same
Overall weight went from 265kg to 270kg
front tire curb weight went from 142kg to 144kg
rear curb weight went from 160kg to 163kg
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Re: Tires Tires Tires
« Reply #34 on: October 08, 2019, 02:57:44 pm »
Now we know, thats gotta be the correct reason as my 2004 C-10 A-19 manual designates only the use of 120/70 tire with no mention about anything under or oversized.

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Re: Tires Tires Tires
« Reply #35 on: October 08, 2019, 04:52:48 pm »
What hasn’t been mentioned is the bespoke Dunlop 701 front tire
supplied as OE measures only 111MM and while labeled 120/70
is designed to fit a 3” rim.
To me, this makes the 110/80 size wholly appropriate.

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Re: Tires Tires Tires
« Reply #36 on: October 08, 2019, 06:21:11 pm »
Many of us ran the 110/80 front tire for years with no issues. And the Dunlop 700/701 OEM tires were the worst.
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Re: Tires Tires Tires
« Reply #37 on: October 14, 2019, 11:36:41 pm »
I have been very happy with the Michelin Pilot Road 4 GT on the front and Michelin Commander II on the rear.

With that said, I recently got a nail in the Commander II and a local dealer has a Dunlop Elite 4 bias ply 150/80-16 on sale for $140. Does anyone have experience with the Dunlop Elite 4? Thanks in advance!

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Re: Tires Tires Tires
« Reply #38 on: October 14, 2019, 11:52:27 pm »
Yer gonna scrap the commander because it had a nail??

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Re: Tires Tires Tires
« Reply #39 on: October 15, 2019, 12:06:42 am »
The nail caused a leak and I put a screw coated with marine bellows adhesive in it to stop the leak. It's got less than half tread left anyway, and the front is nearly new, so yes I'm going to replace it.

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Re: Tires Tires Tires
« Reply #40 on: October 31, 2019, 09:42:19 pm »
It's fascinating to read a Connie thread on tires by people who generally don't live or ride in the PNW, as tire preferences out here revolve so heavily around wet traction. When I used to ride the Seattle Bainbridge Island ferry every day, you get a massive number of motorcycles headed on and off each boat during commute hours. If it's a sport touring bike of any persuasion, they are almost certain to have PR4 GT's. I rode those for a set or two and liked them fine. Get 5-8. I'm currently using the Metzeler Sport Tec 01, and am very pleased. Unlike the siping on the front tire of the PR4, the Metzeler wears more uniformly and seems to hold grip smoother in the corners.

It's all about wet weather traction around these parts. And we generally replace our tires more frequently as you need all the depth in those rain grooves you can get.
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Re: Tires Tires Tires
« Reply #41 on: November 01, 2019, 04:00:58 pm »
Those Metzeler Sport Tec 01 tires sound nice. Unfortunately they are not available in C10 sizes.

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Re: Tires Tires Tires
« Reply #42 on: December 22, 2019, 04:15:33 pm »
Silver: Why do your tires have to be matching? You can mix and match all you want. Bias in front and radial in rear. Yes, you can. And you can go back to regular oil in an engine after using synthetic. Yes. Forget the folklore from the common man. Try different tires. No tire is perfect. There is however a worst tire: The Metzeler ME880. It's downright dangerous. If you like skating on wet roads this would be the tire. I can spin the back tire on a wet road without even downshifting from 6th gear at 80mph. No joke. And the front tire is a 130 width. Heck even a 120 is too wide. I recommend a 110 width. I've dabble with 100 width and found no real difference between 110 and 100. I'm not sure which model I liked the most but it was definitely a Shinko. They also make a rear that was amazingly grippy and long lasting. I think the model was 777 or something like that. Again, no best tire. But I can tell you what to avoid if you want to survive  on a wet road.
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Re: Tires Tires Tires
« Reply #43 on: December 27, 2019, 11:22:35 pm »
An update on the Avon AM-26s. This summer, I put over 22,000 miles on my 03 C-10, on AM-26s. I rode in 34 states and 4 Canadian provinces, on all types of road surfaces. I got over 21,000 miles out of my front tire before it was worn to the wear bars. I got between 7500 and 8500 miles out of the rears. I don’t believe you can find a better tire for the C-10. It’s hard to find a matched set in most brands, but the Avon’s in 110/80-18 and 150/60-16 definitely work, and the price is very reasonable.

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Re: Tires Tires Tires
« Reply #44 on: December 27, 2019, 11:36:21 pm »
Douglas-The biggest reason to run the same brand and model of tire is the tread compound. Different brands/ models have different stickiness/ handling characteristics. I’ve found that radials on the back of my C-10 don’t last. I have run a radial on the front and bias ply on the back, but did not like the feel in fast corners. After running Avon bias ply Roadriders all summer(22,000+ miles), I have found the best tire for my bike, bar none.

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Re: Tires Tires Tires
« Reply #45 on: December 28, 2019, 12:46:31 am »
Car tire, hands down.
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Re: Tires Tires Tires
« Reply #46 on: December 28, 2019, 09:06:01 am »
An update on the Avon AM-26s. This summer, I put over 22,000 miles on my 03 C-10, on AM-26s. I rode in 34 states and 4 Canadian provinces, on all types of road surfaces. I got over 21,000 miles out of my front tire before it was worn to the wear bars. I got between 7500 and 8500 miles out of the rears. I don’t believe you can find a better tire for the C-10. It’s hard to find a matched set in most brands, but the Avon’s in 110/80-18 and 150/60-16 definitely work, and the price is very reasonable.
Like I've been telling folks for the last few years, the AM-26's are an awesome tire that's been available in C-10 sizes for years.
And I think you meant to say 150/80-16 instead of 150/60.
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« Reply #47 on: December 28, 2019, 11:50:54 am »
I tried a set of the AM-26's on my c10.  I only got about 3300 miles on the rear and it was down to the cords.  >:(  I  will say a little over a third of those miles were on the Arkansas twisties.  :motonoises:.  I  replaced it with a Shinko 777 because I was told riders were getting between 7 to 10k miles on them.  In the meantime I bought a c14 so I can't comment much on the 777.
If I  was to keep the c10,  I would probably stick with the xm3D because I got 5k out of the rear and really liked the way they handled.
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Re: Tires Tires Tires
« Reply #48 on: December 28, 2019, 10:41:32 pm »
I’ve been using Shinko 777 rears on my C-10 for years.
I consistently get 2 seasons / 12K miles from each one.
While those are mostly highway commuting miles
I wouldn’t say I baby them. Central PA doesn’t have
very many straight roads.