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Will this fit a C-10?
« on: December 05, 2018, 07:32:16 pm »
I've been considering a lower profile Radial for the rear of my C-10.
 I've seen several reports of wobble after some mounted the few radials that are currently available.
Thought that maybe part of the problem is the sidewall height/profile of a C-10 rear tire.
   {150/80R-16}

Was unable to find a lower profile 150 or 160 that fit my needs.
Another rider claims that a 180/60R-16 fits ok.
I've never heard of a tire this size fitting a C-10???
Does anyone know if it will fit?

NOTE: I think this tire fits some of the Goldwing's so it's certainly able to support a Connie's weight.
          One of the brands in which I found this size, are sold as a Sport Touring Tire, but most are sold for Touring or Cruiser's..

Ride safe, Ted

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Re: Will this fit a C-10?
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2018, 12:41:51 am »
I have run a tire meant for the Goldwing 1500. It gave lot of miles, 20,000 plus.
The down side it's a hard tire this compromises traction. It's also a taller tire
this effects acceleration. Would I recommend it, no. Traction is most important,
money you can always get more.

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Re: Will this fit a C-10?
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2018, 01:23:53 am »
I have run a tire meant for the Goldwing 1500. It gave lot of miles, 20,000 plus.
The down side it's a hard tire this compromises traction. It's also a taller tire
this effects acceleration. Would I recommend it, no. Traction is most important,
money you can always get more.

The tire Ted asked about, is NOT taller, it's smaller in o.d., significantly...
almost 1", so it equates to sitting 1/2" LOWER...
but, wider... aspect ratio makes a big difference...

https://www.tacomaworld.com/tirecalc?tires=150-80r16-180-60r16

I know its an automotive tire website, but comparable data fields are the same, when considering the differences and outcome..... based on tire measurements.







Mounting different aspect ratio tires requires a bit of research on the allowable bead width specified by the rim rating,

more here...
https://jcmotors.com/SizingChart/tire-sizing.html

and here
https://thisiscasperslife.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/motorcycle_rim_width_tire_size_chart.pdf


they don't go high width tho... sorry...

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Re: Will this fit a C-10?
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2018, 01:36:53 am »
Ted,

I've never heard of a 180 on a C-10...could be possible, though.  I do know a 160/80-16 will fit with no modifications...GL1500 size...whether it be a radial...or, a bias ply tire...might be more tires to choose from... :-\

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Re: Will this fit a C-10?
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2018, 01:55:13 pm »
i would be most concerned with rim width compatibility followed by sidewall width fitting between swingarm, but why does everyone hate the stock size so much?

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Re: Will this fit a C-10?
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2018, 02:57:58 pm »
We don't hate the stock size.
Several have reported a increased wobble with the Radials that are currently available.
  (Not many are available anymore)
I suspect that a possible reason is the current radials are flexing due to the high sidewalls, heavy bike, tall windshields.
NOTE: I rode with a friend that had visible {scary} wobble when he came up behind a big truck.
          He went to a Bias ply tire and solved the wobble.
          I like the radials, and was offered this tire to try.
             Was told it would fit.
          So, I'm thinking I might give it a try...

Posted here to ask if it would fit.
ie; Has anyone ever had a 180/60R-16 on their bike?

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Re: Will this fit a C-10?
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2018, 03:15:50 pm »
PS: Thanks everyone for your input to my question. {Particularly MOB}
       MOB, the dimensions you supplied are what I had guessed.
              ie; Too wide for the rim and OD too small.
         But I had hoped the OD was closer to the correct OD than it turned out to be... {gloom}

But; being me, I have to ask questions.
    Is the rim width a requirement for safety, or is the rim width required to keep the {as designed} tire profile?
    If installed on a smaller rim than specified, wouldn't the profile become narrower/rounder and the OD taller?

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PS: The tire I was offered is a Dunlop Elite 4.
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Re: Will this fit a C-10?
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2018, 09:46:01 pm »
without digging out my bike, which is covered with tons of stuff right now, all I can say is measure the clearance you have now, between the widest point on the 150/80 and the swingarm at the closer points, then assume you need s similar clearance a half inch closer to the axle, and measure there...  based on the tire width in the chart, if you feel comfy with adding width, jump on it..  :great:
I'd do the measurement if I could see my tire.... >:( >:( :))

I do like the concept tho, and a smaller diameter tire does in fact increase "acceleration" rate, kinda like a gear modification.. you loose a bit on the top end, but can accelerate using less H/P..
If I didn't have very low miles on COGZilla's tires, I'd even wanna try some experiments like that..

all in all, it comes down to the tire, on the rim... every tire has different sidewall characteristics; some are stiff, and due to the way the chords are laid, actually resist getting "larger in O/D, mounted on a narrow rim, and in fact, get even "squatier", some with soft sidewalls, and more resistance, may grow in diameter when mounted on a narrower than spec'd rim... difficult to say, they all differ when mounting them on a rim width below the "design factor" of the tire.

do some measuring, it may well be feasible, if you have the side clearance you need, at a point 1/2" to 3/4" closer to the axle between the arms, and can stick yer 'pinky finger in there... meh',  :great: :great:

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Re: Will this fit a C-10?
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2018, 08:41:13 pm »
Did a finger clearance test on my bike.    Can get all my fingers in …   
        "No", I don't want any snide comments about that description! :-X

Still some reservations about the 180/60R-16, so looked for other sizes that might fit.
Found a 180/70R-16, a 170/70R-16, and a 160/60R-16.

Hoping someone can give me the OD size and rim requirements for those..??

Ride safe, Ted

PS: The 180/60R-16 is a Dunlop Elite 4, with 500 miles on it. Was offered to me at 1/2 price, my current tire {Metezeler ME-888 150/80-16 Bias Ply} is not badly worn, and this is my spare Connie that I like to tinker with. 
So, this is not a must do. This is just one of those experiment's that I sometimes get myself into.
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Re: Will this fit a C-10?
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2018, 09:23:58 pm »
use that site I linked to...
https://www.tacomaworld.com/tirecalc?tires=150-80r16-180-60r16

you can plug in various tire sizes, and compare the dimensions, its a really nifty tool I stumbled upon last month, and it gives you all the data for comparing...

 :great: :great: :great: :great: :great: :great: :beerchug:

you spurred/jostled my dead braincells enough that I'm really curious about that 180/60 tire...
If in fact it does fit in the swingarm, it is a cool idea, and will lower the back end 1/2" nicely, without messing with lowering links... and, will make for a "quicker launching" bike to boot... win win in my book, as I don't have a "7th gear mod", and just want the fastest acceleration short of adding a flux capacitor, on my old bike... especially when I get done swapping in my Ninja Cams, and my "5th gear" mod output gears.
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Re: Will this fit a C-10?
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2018, 09:52:54 pm »
Ok here you go Ted.
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Re: Will this fit a C-10?
« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2018, 05:37:29 pm »
Used the info Jim and MOB supplied and calculated the various Radial sizes that are available.
          {180/60R-16, 180/70R-16, a 170/70R-1616 and a 160/60R-16}

The 170/70- 16 is very near the same diameter to the stock 150/80-16.
The 180/60- 16 is the next smallest diameter to the stock 150/80-16.

I think the Diameter of the wider tires will increase slightly when installed on the smaller/stock C-10 width rim.
If so; I suspect; the 170/70- 16 will be a slightly larger diameter than the 158/80-16.
                        the 180/60-16 will remain smaller.

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Re: Will this fit a C-10?
« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2018, 10:57:05 pm »
as I noted, don't be so sure that putting the wider/low profile on that rim, will really make it's O.D. grow as much as you may think... I say this as the low profile tires side wall chording, and direction/construction, may be stiffer, to prevent it from really growing... this, combined with the tread windings, is where the resistive strength of the low aspect tires get their "damage prevention" strength to prevent rim damages when hitting holes and such, may surprise you when they are inflated to "normal/recommended" pressures... so yeah, you may make them "grow", but it will take more air pressure in them than the operational limits actually allow, in order to see the growth.

so it ain't really a cut and dried assumption that the tire will "grow" in diameter, on the narrower rim...
I say this from experience in putting excessively wider tires, with low aspect ratios, on other vehicles with stock rims, and only find them to "pooch out" further from the rim, while not really growing in diameter.

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Re: Will this fit a C-10?
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2018, 12:33:03 am »
I agree with you. I don't think there will be much change, but there could be some.
  I wanted a different profile, but want the OD to remain slightly smaller than the 150/80.
  Based on that, my last note was not stated correctly. Will correct that..

{My apologies; I neglected to give you the numbers previously}
  180/70-16 Diameter is 25.92".    Larger than stock dia.
  150/80-16 Diameter is 25.45".    Stock dia
  170/70-16 Diameter is 25.37".    Slightly smaller than stock dia    {+.03% Dia increase = 25.45 Dia}
  180/60-16 Diameter is 24.50".    next step smaller than stock dia
  160/60-16 Diameter is 23.56".    Too much smaller than stock dia.

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Re: Will this fit a C-10?
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2018, 12:42:24 am »
put the dog gone 180/60 on the rim, andd let me know... your killin' me with antici-pation...

I think it's a winner, and the aspect ratio, may really be a nice stiff tire, with a nice tread....
and still not be a "darkside" candidate...


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Re: Will this fit a C-10?
« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2018, 12:52:07 am »
That's the plan. Waiting for the guy to reply.
Then; I have to spend $100 without "the Boss" catchin' me...
                                :67:

Ride safe, Ted

Update; The tire I was planning to use, has been sold already.
             Would have been cheap e'nuff to do the test...
              So, I guess it's back to the drawing board.

Still asking. Has anyone reading this "ever had a 180/60R-16 on their bike, or know of anyone else?




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Re: Will this fit a C-10?
« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2018, 09:33:08 pm »
Thanks for diameters! Info most useful.

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Re: Will this fit a C-10?
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2019, 03:58:35 pm »
Earlier question. Has anyone reading this "ever had a 180/60R-16 on their bike, or know of anyone else?

I'll have an answer to my question soon.
I just ordered a 180/60R-16 to "try" to install on my bike..
Hoping the lower profile will prevent the wobble that some of  the stock height (150/80R-16) radials are doing.

Currently have an old belted/bias ply tire on the bike and decided to experiment..  >:D

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Re: Will this fit a C-10?
« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2019, 06:24:17 pm »
I was concerned it would be to hard to do at home so I had the 180/60R-16 installed on my bike..  :great:
  They said even with their professional tire machine it was pretty difficult to get it on and seated.

NOTE: Before installation it was over 1" wider and 3/4" shorter than the tire that was on the bike.
             After squeezing it onto the stock C-10 rim it's only about 3/8" wider and 3/8" shorter.
Side walls are considerably shorter than the stock 80 series tire.
No problem getting the wheel back on the bike. Lots of clearance....

One possible problem is the profile is definitely "rounder" than the old tire and/or {probably} radials on the correct width rim.

Have not done a long ride yet, but turn in is noticeably "quicker" than it was before.
    That quickness is probably because of the rounder profile.
The bike easily falls into a turn rather than taking a bit of pressure to initiate the lean.
Stays leaned without having to hold it there.
So far, I like it...


No wobble, but suspect the bike may be more apt to wander.

Will report in after we do a good ride.

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Re: Will this fit a C-10?
« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2019, 08:15:42 pm »
Thanks for the info and research. ;) ;)
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Re: Will this fit a C-10?
« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2019, 07:03:18 pm »
We did a 200 mile ride yesterday to check out the new tire.
Initially, it was a bit twitchy, turn in was pretty fast, and you had to work to hold your line..
We reduced the tire pressure from 38 psi to about 32, and things improved.
  Most of the twitchiness went away, the turn in wasn't quite as fast, and it sticks great in the turns.
       "IIiiiii like it!".   :motonoises: :motonoises:

You will recall; I installed the 180/60 tire on the stock width (4") rim. It is supposed to be on a (5") Rim..
                         I noted that the tire profile became more rounded because of the narrower rim.
                            According to this video, it was probably too rounded.
                            The reduction in air pressure decreased that roundness.  :great:
                             https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCMP2Fkq8U4

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Re: Will this fit a C-10?
« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2019, 12:46:13 pm »
Update; We still haven't got to give the tire a real workout.
             We were pretty happy on the twisties we've done, and took the bike on a highway run in Houston.
             Riding near big trucks was scary as the bike was pushed around much more than normal.
                 We think that was because of the extra round profile of both new tires 110/80ZR -18 {front} and 180/60R-16 {rear}.
              I had a wheel with a 160/80-16 Bias ply on it, so we installed that and got a lot of improvement on the hwy, but slower turn in .

This weekend we intend to go to the TeXaS Hill Country (the 3 Sisters) and try the bike with both tires to see what we think.
I suspect the  180/60R-16 will be better in the twisties, but overall a failure for everyday use because of city riding..

Ride safe, Ted

PS: After installation of the 110/80ZR -18 {front} and 180/60R-16 {rear} we immediately noticed the bike would fall into a turn quickly, with very little effort.
That quickness was intimidating at first, but with time we got used to it.
 Once into the turn, was great!!!
NOTE: Decreasing air pressure slowed the quickness of the turn in.
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Re: Will this fit a C-10?
« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2019, 12:50:11 am »
Again great info all. THX!

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Re: Will this fit a C-10?
« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2019, 06:32:10 pm »
The saga continues...…
NOTE: This is my project bike and I'm enjoying the tinkering.  :great:
           My nephew/Chris is riding it, and I'm on my C-14...
              So "how it feels" is based on his thoughts.

Remember that I have a 110/80ZR -18 on the front of this bike instead of the stock 120/70ZR-18.
So the bike already turns-in faster that it did with the stock set up.

Before we headed for the Texas Hill Country we installed a rear wheel with an old/hard (bias ply) 160/80-16 on it.
    Then we headed out to ride the Twisted Sisters {at the Wildflower ride in Hunt Tx}.   :great:

Installing the bias ply tire made the bike a lot more stable, the turn-in slowed, and then,,,, he thought it slipped in a couple of turns.  :-\
   With those slips, the pucker factor increased "a lot"!!   :sign0137:
   So we went back to camp and reinstalled the wheel with the 180/60ZR-16... {again}

That made the turn in very quick again, and the bike didn't feel stable e'nuff {again}...  arghhhhh..  :-[
We knew that lowering the rear tire pressure helped previously so we did it again,,
       and "this time" we "also" lowered the front tire pressure.   :great:
          ie; 40 lowered to 35 in both tires.....
      Turn-in slowed a bit, the bike got a bit more stable, and Chris got more used to the bike.. 
         We left it there, and rode it for about 300 miles of twisties.
            He liked it! We had a blast!!

NOTE: As we are on public roads, we were not at a race pace.
            We were sport/tour riding, with the emphasis on sport... :motonoises:

After returning home; We did another 200 miles {North of Houston}.
  Many miles were highways, and some were good twisties.
    All these were done in heavy cross winds.
        Bike was reasonably stable in these conditions too.
          Yahoo, we're getting closer!  :D

Ride safe, Ted
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Re: Will this fit a C-10?
« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2019, 06:53:51 pm »
If you want stiffer sidewalls there are lots of crossplies available for the C10.
It was actually designed for them and only fitted with Radials later.
I've never understood the Bias tyre users. Why go back to 60s technology when you end up sacrificing grip and handling.
I've never had a wobble caused by a tyre in over 250k miles on C10s on crossply and radial tyres. If you have a wobble, check your suspension, bearings, and make sure the fairing is central first.
George "Boomer" Garratt
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