Greg said:Avon radials or BT45 bias ply?
Does riding on radials have an advantage?
I like the looks of both and the feedback on the Avons.
BrianButler said:While it would be nice to have matched pairs more readily available, it looks like the slim choices will continue for the C10. Heard back from Kevin Corbett, a "Technical Service Representative" from Avon. The Storm 2/Azaro ST combination is their sole recommendation for the C10, further stating that they "will not cause any performance issues when used on the same bike." Tire pressure should be 36psi front /42psi rear for solo riding , and 38psi front /45psi rear for two-up riding. Hope the rest of you find this info useful.
WillyP said:Comparing my '88 with the wing sized Pilot GTs, and the '01 with the Avons. While the Pilots provide a smooth steady ride, gliding effortlessly over tar snakes, cracks, mismatched pavement heights and corner smooth and competently, the Avons take 100 pounds off the bike.
Dude, they are going to feel so good you;re not gonna think you need to take it easy and break em in... but do give them a chance to get scrubbed in before you go completely nuts on em. I know you're gonna want to.Greg said:My new Avon's arrive today. I can't wait. I'm concerned i won't notice a difference.
However, yesterday's ride (290 miles of twisties) didn't feel right. I stopped and verified tire pressures even. The bike didn't feel sure footed at all. I have 700/701 (OEM's) on it, and they are at the TWI's. Front is mildly cupped, and on the 'lows', it is bald. I knew this was the last ride on the tires, and it grew into more Uh huh
Will the Sport2/AV46 feel more stout in the corners? More confidence inspiring? I love the bike, and can't wait for next weekend's ride.
So DFW has not changed much. I was on I 20 between DnF in 1976 the year I got my drivers license. It was my first drive in DFW rush hour traffic. That means you are either stopped or doing 85mph bumper to bumper. We were doing the 85 when a pot hole the size of a VW bug appeared in my lane. No way to miss it and not hit another car so woooopydooo. Hey I survived. Had another pot hole on the same stretch bust a rim a few years later. I gave up and moved.cra-z1000 said:I've got a set of the Avon roadriders on my 87 . So far so good but I don't get much twisty experience here in Dfw . Not much here but straight lines and huge potholes ! :'(
Thanks for the heads up on that potential rear tar!GTRinFL said:
So, we ride second best tires, or worse? You'd think a 20 year production would have more selection.wild man said:I've been waiting on those Shinkos since last year ???
It did in its heyday I expect but now it is just a 20 year old and out of production design. We are quickly going to go from Classic Concours to Antique ConcoursGTRinFL said:So, we ride second best tires, or worse? You'd think a 20 year production would have more selection.wild man said:I've been waiting on those Shinkos since last year ???
smithr-scad said:It did in its heyday I expect but now it is just a 20 year old and out of production design. We are quickly going to go from Classic Concours to Antique ConcoursGTRinFL said:So, we ride second best tires, or worse? You'd think a 20 year production would have more selection.wild man said:I've been waiting on those Shinkos since last year ???
Cap'n Bob said:smithr-scad said:It did in its heyday I expect but now it is just a 20 year old and out of production design. We are quickly going to go from Classic Concours to Antique ConcoursGTRinFL said:So, we ride second best tires, or worse? You'd think a 20 year production would have more selection.wild man said:I've been waiting on those Shinkos since last year ???
If you go on the assumption of an antique being 25 years old. And with the 2012 C14's now out. My 86 C10 would be an antique now!
Cap'n Bob said:smithr-scad said:It did in its heyday I expect but now it is just a 20 year old and out of production design. We are quickly going to go from Classic Concours to Antique ConcoursGTRinFL said:So, we ride second best tires, or worse? You'd think a 20 year production would have more selection.wild man said:I've been waiting on those Shinkos since last year ???
If you go on the assumption of an antique being 25 years old. And with the 2012 C14's now out. My 86 C10 would be an antique now!
ron203 said:WOW! Kinda scary going with that assumption...what does that make us? )
au contraire mon frersmithr-scad said:Not sure if these guys base their limits on some standard or not but they say an antique motorcycle is 35 years old or older. We are getting close but no cigar.
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Attached are pictures of the dreaded 880s that everyone speaks of disparagingly
Tires are cupped because of poor maintenance and low tire pressure and never the fault of the very best tires you can put on a stock C10.rick3foxes said:The tires on the Connie I just bought are both badly cupped as well (Not as bad as those).
But mine are Avon Azaro tires. :-\
I'm not sure what I'll replace them with, but I know it WON'T be Avons. :
Daytona_Mike said:Tires are cupped because of poor maintenance and low tire pressure and never the fault of the very best tires you can put on a stock C10.rick3foxes said:The tires on the Connie I just bought are both badly cupped as well (Not as bad as those).
But mine are Avon Azaro tires. :-\
I'm not sure what I'll replace them with, but I know it WON'T be Avons. :
2linby said:Daytona_Mike said:Tires are cupped because of poor maintenance and low tire pressure and never the fault of the very best tires you can put on a stock C10.rick3foxes said:The tires on the Connie I just bought are both badly cupped as well (Not as bad as those).
But mine are Avon Azaro tires. :-\
I'm not sure what I'll replace them with, but I know it WON'T be Avons. :
Wow! Now that's a ringing endorsement (opinion) of Avons.
Personally IMHO and after three sets of AVONS I can say they handled excellent. They have excellent wet weather grip. They have excellent dry weather grip. They are quiet and they wear out way too freaking fast! The rears (actual I've had four rear Avons) all have squared off to the point they are no longer safe, nor responsive and this after 5K mileage. Again this has been my experience and yours may have been different. And again IMHO the Michelin 100X were the best tire for the Concours. But regretable they are no longer made.
This being said. While I agree tire pressure has adverse effects on tire wear and potentially a contributing cause to the syndrome we call "cupping", there is certainly more to this condition than just low tire pressure.
In the attached link there is a nice article which addresses some of these "other" causes. http://www.rattlebars.com/tirewear/index.html
Again, I am not a tire expert and have never professed as such, but I really think the primary cause of front tire "cupping" is a combination of softer compound tire rubber, compliance to factory recommended tire pressures, a heavy front end and a weak front suspension.
My K700's cupped, my D205's cupped, my Avon Azaro's cupped and yes my Michelin 89X, 90X and 100X cupped. The latter three less than the former three, but they all cupped. Increasing tire pressures to 39-41 PSI depending on the tire have reduced cupping but never totally eliminated it. So far my "new" Roadsmart does not show signs of cupping with 3k on them (we'll see in a couple more thousand miles).
Oh you read it correctly, Bill. The fault is mine for not being a bit more clear.wild man said:Do I read your signature line correctly, 106K in 2001 and 112K the following year? I think you'd give Don Ricks a run for his money. Last I heard he turned over 500K on the Concours though I think it took him 15 years or so and three bikes.
THey are a very grippy bias tire. I have run a couple of sets, prefered the Avons and went back to them. However, this set of tire will do a great job. Takes a few minutes for them to smooth out (warm up) but then they ride almost as good as anything out there. A soft compound makes them a bit short lived though. But they are a viable alternative for the C-10. I also have these on mama's Magna to be sure she has some stick. They make her cruiser vary capable in the twisties.Mickey said:Anybody ever rode with Pirelli Sport Demon tires? Pros? Cons?
Mickey said:Anybody ever rode with Pirelli Sport Demon tires? Pros? Cons?
chuckersconnie said:I notice the BT45 has siping that runs aroung the perimeter of the tire. Has anyone who uses them ever had problems with the tires "hunting" in grooved pavement. The 205's did and they have much the same configuration. The Avon Storm doesn't twitch in this scenario at all.
kap said:I'm looking for a new set of tires and since I can no longer get the D205s I have used for the last 55K miles, I am looking for a new set up. I have checked into the Avon Storm/Azaro match up that is recommended and it seems to be a good set.
I have also noticed that Pirelli makes a 120/70-18 in their Angel line and a 150/80-16 in their Demon line.
I am thinking about giving this match up a try.
Does anyone have any experience running this Pirelli Angel/Demon match up?
connie_rider said:I know that Murph has Avon Road Riders (AM-26) in stock. (Belted)
I looked at them. Look good! They appear to have the same tread pattern as the Avon Radials.
I have not seen the (AM-26) Roadriders discussed. Has anyone used these?
Jethro said:wow this forum is going to suck away all my riding time..for a newby theres just so much STUFF to read and learn...
but anyways heres my can of worms..would love to hear your thoughts...just got my connie about a week ago..she has brand new stock size dunlops...and i do most of my driving on highways..year round...im no racer..i prefer just cruisein on my concours,,im def a lower RPM kinda guy..but wow 6th gear is spinning way up there at 70ish..so i plan on the 7th gear unit from sisf..but the real question is in the meantime has any one ran a stock size front and a goldwing rear?? since my tires are new and funds are limited..i could drop a few RPMs with that bigger rear tire without haveing to spend money on a new front tire...plus money for getting them both mounted
voileauciel said:chuckersconnie said:I notice the BT45 has siping that runs aroung the perimeter of the tire. Has anyone who uses them ever had problems with the tires "hunting" in grooved pavement. The 205's did and they have much the same configuration. The Avon Storm doesn't twitch in this scenario at all.
I've now got 850 miles on a set of these, and I'm going to retract my previous statement that they like to lean.
They do, in fact, like to slip and then lean. That siping on the sides causes them to follow every groove, crack and rut in pavement. Never, in 40,000+ miles on this bike, have I had a set of tyres that I so adamantly hated.
Furthermore, I'd add that these are outright dangerous when very cold. Other night I had to run a few errands, decided to take the bike instead of the car. Just turning out of my complex I almost lost the back. This was at about 20mph, at the most, and less than 1/4 throttle.
My biggest complaint, and East Coasters back me up here, is I-78. A highway that runs across NJ and PA. The eastern part is mostly grooved super-slab. These Bridgestones hunt and peck all over the place. And heaven forbid you get behind a tractor-trailer, then you're blowing all over the place.
I've gotten so scared on these, I refuse to ride in the rain with them.
It's odd too, as I had a set of these on a Ninja 500 a number of years ago, and they were wonderful. Shame really, but I think these were designed for smaller sport bikes and standards, not our big sport-tourer.
I'm in somewhat of a pickle here too as I'm riding out to the National, and can't decide on what to replace these with: the Avons gripped the best, by far. The OEM Dunlops lasted the longest. I'd love to keep experimenting with different combinations, but to be honest, every time I have to dump another $300 on tyres, is $300 less I have toward a new C14, which I've been saving up for almost 2 years. I've still got another year or so to go (I'd like to buy mine cash, or at the most, finance only a small fraction of the price) and so this bike needs to last.
FWIW, over the past 40k miles, all the big trips I did, and all the best rides I went on, judging from my ride journals, were on the OEM Dunlops. I know many on here dislike them, but I can say that this bike rode like a Cadillac and handled like a proper sport bike with these and the suspension upgrades I've done (Sonic 1.2s, Progressive rear shock.) YMMV.
I had considered the Kosman or Mean Streak rear wheel, but to be honest, this bike has almost 65k on it. To spend that kind of money, knowing full well that some very big maintenance is right around the corner (going to need all new suspension bushings, timing chain (eventually), all new lines and hoses, brake caliper and carburetor rebuilds) the amount of money spent eventually becomes too much. Do I buy another low-mileage C10, and move all my good parts over, or do I keep saving and go for a C14?
Time, and finances, will tell. Sorry for the long-winded post, but I'm at my wit's end on this tyre issue. The few sets that are available are all some crummy compromise or another, and the alternative is to spend nearly half of what this bike is worth (if not more) on getting 17" wheels.
connie_rider said:connie_rider said:I know that Murph has Avon Road Riders (AM-26) in stock. (Belted)
I looked at them. Look good! They appear to have the same tread pattern as the Avon Radials.
I have not seen the (AM-26) Roadriders discussed. Has anyone used these?
I did not go back and re-read this entire tread, so I may have missed the discussion on the AM-26 tires.
I did see that Murph was out of stock on them, so "someone" is using them....
What is the opinions on this tire?
Ride safe, Ted
Slybones said:I changed my BT45 front at 16K and it was not at the wear bars. However others report 14K for the front. So somewhere in that range. Aprox 10K typical for the rear of BT-45.
As for size get the BT-45 in the 110/80-18 for the front, and for the rear they stock 150/80-16. Yes the 110/80 fits the later model front. Its actually the right size, IE the proper fit according to the specs.
Sirius Scratch said:After much reading here in the forum, I swapped my blistered, cupped, and otherwise hosed Metzler 880s for the bias ply Bridgestone BT45s front and back. I've put 220 miles on them so far, a mix of in town riding and Interstate cruising. Happy to report that the Bridgestones have plenty of road feel, lack the harshness of the Metzlers, and I experienced NO hunting in either of the riding situations, and besides the normal heavy truck canals on I-5 we have a plethora of heavy equipment surface anomalies on the local roads, enough to challenge any tire. I am running factory recommended tire pressures front and rear.
Sirius
Daytona_Mike said:Are you saying you would have kept on riding on that bald ass worn out tire?? Wow!