A-GT2’s is this on a C-14 or on your new lighter land missile?Angel GT2's. After 2 set's of the GTs I mounted a set of the GT2s a couple of months ago. So far so good.
I ran GT's on both my 14's. 2 sets of GT's on the H2. Just put the GT2's on it.A-GT2’s is this on a C-14 or on your new lighter land missile?
I know many have appreciated the Angels over the years on the C-14. I had contemplated.
True Dat. Another thing I just thought of. I went through PR2's, 3's and 4's. Every Michelin tire I had needed air about every 3 days. The RS 3's need air about every week and a half if that.Chris this was a great price comp you did.
I have Pilot Road 5 on my 2008 Concours. The Roads will give you much better mileage and are great in the rain.What tires are you guys thinking about for the 2021 season?
I think I'm going to mount a new set for Michelin Pilot 4's myself.
Nick
2014 C-14
I'd LOVE to get 6000 miles out of a set of tires, I managed ~4500 out of Road 5s.Tire experience varies by the rider and location. And the bike of course.
Just changed the Continental RoadAttack 3s for Dunlop RoadSmart 4s. Over time, I've had the Dunlop RS3s, twice. The Conti RA3s, twice. And the Metzeler Roadtec 01s, twice.
I really like the Contis. I found they have confidence-inspiring grip and fall into corners just right. Wear came out to around 11,000 miles, and they were changed with 3/32nds tread left. Wet grip seemed great.
The Dunlop RS3s were pretty good. I didn't find them wearing strange at all. In fact, I was surprised to find no cupping on the front tire at all. I had them slip on me once on wet roads, but that was probably my fault. It was early in the fall and I turned left at an underpass leading onto a freeway...and even though the pavement was wet, I got on the throttle like it was summer. I'm willing to give the tires the benefit of doubt because I didn't have any issues afterwards.
The Metzeler Roadtec 01s were lousy. Wet grip was good, but the tire longevity was really poor. The first set wore out in 6000 miles. The tread on the sides looked great, but the center of the tire seemed to wear out very quickly. Because I got sold a bill of goods, I'm not willing to give them, or the more expensive version a try again.
I like the Dunlop RS4s. I guess one of the best things you can say about a tire is that when leaning into a corner, you don't think about the tire at all. It does its job with no muss or fuss. I've only put a couple hundred miles on them, but they seem quiet. Grip well on dry roads. Dropping into a corner seems much like the Contis...just right. Not too easy, not too hard. They match the bike very well. Longevity will obviously have to be determined later.
My riding buddy has the same bike and we ride quite a bit together, so our tire wear seems like it would be similar. He has Michelin Road 5s. His front tire has some very strange wear with only about 6500 miles on them.
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It might be hard to spot what's happening, so let me explain. The middle is wearing flat. Then the sides have a sharp edge sloping off. There's no gradual rounding to the wear.
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The tire wear seems fine for longevity, but the squaring off, is really strange.
Chris
RS 3. Served me well and I suspect they serve me well again.What tires are you guys thinking about for the 2021 season?
I think I'm going to mount a new set for Michelin Pilot 4's myself.
Nick
2014 C-14
Just saw a post somewhere that Chap Moto has RS 3s @ $262 a set .I have some RS 2s to wear out. Will see what kind of rebates come up but thinking of the the RS 3s again. Most miles I ever got out of a rear tire. with out checking my log I think it was 7,000.
Those Metzlers treat you well in the rain? Mine about killed me on my C10 one time.Following this thread with interest. I put about 80k miles on a couple of C-10's. I used to run Metzler 880's and get about 10k miles a set.
I think I have RS3's on my 08 C14. They were on it when I bought it and look relatively new. They handle well for me, so if I can get decent mileage with them, I'll probably stay the course. A set of tires each summer is OK, but I see some of you guys only get 4k miles a tire. which would mean 2-3 sets each season. Definitely not what I'm looking for.
Any advice for high mileage tires for the 14? I'm not much of a canyon carver, but I do appreciate traction when it rains.
Probably due to the two different rubber compounds. The outside must be quite soft and the middle hard. I know a lot of tires are like that but maybe the middle is really hard. I had one set of PR's and the wear was weird. Went back to Angels.Tire experience varies by the rider and location. And the bike of course.
Just changed the Continental RoadAttack 3s for Dunlop RoadSmart 4s. Over time, I've had the Dunlop RS3s, twice. The Conti RA3s, twice. And the Metzeler Roadtec 01s, twice.
I really like the Contis. I found they have confidence-inspiring grip and fall into corners just right. Wear came out to around 11,000 miles, and they were changed with 3/32nds tread left. Wet grip seemed great.
The Dunlop RS3s were pretty good. I didn't find them wearing strange at all. In fact, I was surprised to find no cupping on the front tire at all. I had them slip on me once on wet roads, but that was probably my fault. It was early in the fall and I turned left at an underpass leading onto a freeway...and even though the pavement was wet, I got on the throttle like it was summer. I'm willing to give the tires the benefit of doubt because I didn't have any issues afterwards.
The Metzeler Roadtec 01s were lousy. Wet grip was good, but the tire longevity was really poor. The first set wore out in 6000 miles. The tread on the sides looked great, but the center of the tire seemed to wear out very quickly. Because I got sold a bill of goods, I'm not willing to give them, or the more expensive version a try again.
I like the Dunlop RS4s. I guess one of the best things you can say about a tire is that when leaning into a corner, you don't think about the tire at all. It does its job with no muss or fuss. I've only put a couple hundred miles on them, but they seem quiet. Grip well on dry roads. Dropping into a corner seems much like the Contis...just right. Not too easy, not too hard. They match the bike very well. Longevity will obviously have to be determined later.
My riding buddy has the same bike and we ride quite a bit together, so our tire wear seems like it would be similar. He has Michelin Road 5s. His front tire has some very strange wear with only about 6500 miles on them.
View attachment 28470
It might be hard to spot what's happening, so let me explain. The middle is wearing flat. Then the sides have a sharp edge sloping off. There's no gradual rounding to the wear.
View attachment 28471
The tire wear seems fine for longevity, but the squaring off, is really strange.
Chris
Those Michelins and Pirelli's for less than 200 look interesting.
Nick
2014 C-14
They were OK. Rode them through some hellacious rain, too. 4 days in West Virginia and 3 days in Quebec. The only issue was stopping on painted lines in the road. I'm not a very aggressive rider, so that may be the reason they stuck in the rain for me.Those Metzlers treat you well in the rain? Mine about killed me on my C10 one time.
A car pulled out in front of me just as I was going to pass him.Wet and raining. I may have used to much rear brake but I was almost down, let up and the bike stood up again. I decided right there that my next bike would be ABS.Those tires get a lot of mixed reviews.They were OK. Rode them through some hellacious rain, too. 4 days in West Virginia and 3 days in Quebec. The only issue was stopping on painted lines in the road. I'm not a very aggressive rider, so that may be the reason they stuck in the rain for me.
Yep. I think Revzilla is at the same price too.Those RS3's for 260/set look better and better.
Nick
2014 C-14
They all are. I don't know why it isn't call price fixing, but you won't find a difference from one seller to another in terms of price and shipping. And yet, all offer to match the price, if you find it cheaper elsewhere.Yep. I think Revzilla is at the same price too.
I think you will like them.Firestone Winterforce 2 UV until April on the Tacoma (this is NH and we have snow in winter).
Pirelli Angel GT A specs have less than <2K miles left to them. They didn't last anymore than the non A specs, just gave a harsher ride.
Have a set of Dunlop RS3 ready to try next.
I would get the RS3's at 260 a set before I would buy the PR2's...Of course I still love the RS2's for $170 a set if you can find them.I found a set of Michelin Road Pilot 2's at Revzilla for about 300/set.
They said their closeouts, is there anyway to find out how old they are before ordering?
Others mentioned these are very good tires? True?
Nick
2014 C-14
True Dat. Another thing I just thought of. I went through PR2's, 3's and 4's. Every Michelin tire I had needed air about every 3 days. The RS 3's need air about every week and a half if that.
Same for Michelin for me - always having to add air. My RS3's on the other hand, not very often at all.
Check out the front tire.
Chris, it appears to me your buddy is using a bunch of counter steer which results in the tire profile you show in post 15. Why do I say that? I had this front tire profile for a long time of riding the C14. Even the front tire on the 900 developed the side cupping using counter steer. Since I started to let the bike lean without counter steer the front tire cupping went away on both.Tire experience varies by the rider and location. And the bike of course.
Just changed the Continental RoadAttack 3s for Dunlop RoadSmart 4s. Over time, I've had the Dunlop RS3s, twice. The Conti RA3s, twice. And the Metzeler Roadtec 01s, twice.
I really like the Contis. I found they have confidence-inspiring grip and fall into corners just right. Wear came out to around 11,000 miles, and they were changed with 3/32nds tread left. Wet grip seemed great.
The Dunlop RS3s were pretty good. I didn't find them wearing strange at all. In fact, I was surprised to find no cupping on the front tire at all. I had them slip on me once on wet roads, but that was probably my fault. It was early in the fall and I turned left at an underpass leading onto a freeway...and even though the pavement was wet, I got on the throttle like it was summer. I'm willing to give the tires the benefit of doubt because I didn't have any issues afterwards.
The Metzeler Roadtec 01s were lousy. Wet grip was good, but the tire longevity was really poor. The first set wore out in 6000 miles. The tread on the sides looked great, but the center of the tire seemed to wear out very quickly. Because I got sold a bill of goods, I'm not willing to give them, or the more expensive version a try again.
I like the Dunlop RS4s. I guess one of the best things you can say about a tire is that when leaning into a corner, you don't think about the tire at all. It does its job with no muss or fuss. I've only put a couple hundred miles on them, but they seem quiet. Grip well on dry roads. Dropping into a corner seems much like the Contis...just right. Not too easy, not too hard. They match the bike very well. Longevity will obviously have to be determined later.
My riding buddy has the same bike and we ride quite a bit together, so our tire wear seems like it would be similar. He has Michelin Road 5s. His front tire has some very strange wear with only about 6500 miles on them.
View attachment 28470
It might be hard to spot what's happening, so let me explain. The middle is wearing flat. Then the sides have a sharp edge sloping off. There's no gradual rounding to the wear.
View attachment 28471
The tire wear seems fine for longevity, but the squaring off, is really strange.
Chris
You're 100% right one that one.Chris, it appears to me your buddy is using a bunch of counter steer which results in the tire profile you show in post 15. Why do I say that? I had this front tire profile for a long time of riding the C14. Even the front tire on the 900 developed the side cupping using counter steer. Since I started to let the bike lean without counter steer the front tire cupping went away on both.
Conti Motions netted me 10 days & 1,900 miles when I tried them. I know of one other person that tried them & he got 2,200 out of them, mostly highway miles for him.Continental ContiMotion tires are giving me 10K+ and here is the proof!
So there you have it, 10K out of a pair of ContiMotion tires with no issues and they still feel great on the road. Not to mention they came with 3 years of roadside maintenance and towing for free - just for buying one tire! What a bargain and you know what I will be putting back on her......
You can change the amount of lean by counter steering? I didn't think you could turn without it. When you lean you countersteer, correct?
Since I often ride with him on the same roads at the same speed, I'd say we are both doing the same thing in each turn. The fact that his Michelin Road 5 tires look like that, and mine don't means something.Let me rephrase . Yes you change lean with the amount of counter steer. You can lesson lean angle by shifting body weight. You cannot lean a bike over without inducing counter steer. You can induce CS by leaning but the CS comes first.Try holding your bars straight and leaning of the side of the bike. I agree more aggressive riding introduces more CS and will increase wear on tires.. I will need some strong evidence to believe you can turn at speed with out CS.
That would make the discussion problematic . It is turning the bars left to go right and vice a versa. I will have to go out and refresh my mind but if I am correct if you hold the bars straight and lean you will not turn. You can initiate counter steer by leaning .Perhaps our definition of counter steer is different.
Dont you ride different model of bike? Different weight? I am hoping my suspension changes will net me a few more miles on my tires.Since I often ride with him on the same roads at the same speed, I'd say we are both doing the same thing in each turn. The fact that his Michelin Road 5 tires look like that, and mine don't means something.
Chris
Actually, there rider I'm referring to has an identical bike to mine.Dont you ride different model of bike? Different weight? I am hoping my suspension changes will net me a few more miles on my tires.
shinko apex's. still on em from last year. awesome grip, rode dragon many times in the rain. tires stuck like glue.
Good luck. In my sport touring group, in my neck of the woods, on asphalt roads, riding moderately above speed limit - air pressure, tire brand model, degree of acceleration are the variables that we've found to matter. Many in this local ST group get about 6 - 7.5K out of a set (I'm right there at 7K to wear bars, but usually change at 6K).I am hoping my suspension changes will net me a few more miles on my tires.
I have a little trouble with that degree of accelerationGood luck. In my sport touring group, in my neck of the woods, on asphalt roads, riding moderately above speed limit - air pressure, tire brand model, degree of acceleration are the variables that we've found to matter. Many in this local ST group get about 6 - 7.5K out of a set (I'm right there at 7K to wear bars, but usually change at 6K).
Perhaps our definition of counter steer is different.
Ya think?....That would make the discussion problematic .
i should be able to ride the whole season on em. i put 7000 on em from last seasonGood to hear since nobody among my buddies rides them. How many miles on them and how many left till wear bars (by extrapolating tread depth?) ...
i should be able to ride the whole season on em. i put 7000 on em from last season
You can change the amount of lean by counter steering? I didn't think you could turn without it. When you lean you countersteer, correct?
I am not sure what to make of that response. Maybe you may want to stop with the burn outs or taking them to the track because that is not what they are designed to do. You are definitely doing something abnormal to burn them up because that is not even close to reasonable mileage FOR ANY TIRE. And of course there could be the exaggeration factor - to what end I have no idea. I'm just reporting my results.Conti Motions netted me 10 days & 1,900 miles when I tried them. I know of one other person that tried them & he got 2,200 out of them, mostly highway miles for him.
Your roads must be paved with cotton balls!
I'd say that's the real thing Jon. It's referred to as going to the dark side. There are folks that like a car tire on the rear. It's a controversial topic to be sure.Is it just me or does it look like that is a photoshopped car rear tire on that Connie?
I am not sure what to make of that response. Maybe you may want to stop with the burn outs or taking them to the track because that is not what they are designed to do. You are definitely doing something abnormal to burn them up because that is not even close to reasonable mileage FOR ANY TIRE. And of course there could be the exaggeration factor - to what end I have no idea.
I really don't give a damn what you make of it, I know the facts & you don't. Not to mention you know anything about me or my riding. Don't even imply I'm exaggerating either, might as well say I'm lying.
For the record I've never done a burnout on my C14.
Sad fact is, you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
I really don't give a damn what you make of it, I know the facts & you don't.
Sad fact is, you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
That would be the smart approach. Any further posts with personal attacks will result in those posts being deleted.We probably should take this offline.
I'd say that's the real thing Jon. It's referred to as going to the dark side. There are folks that like a car tire on the rear. It's a controversial topic to be sure.
As for Cliff smoking tires and dragging knees, well, I copied all of the pics Cliff posted on FB and posted links for the non-FB folks when he got to go "over the pond" a couple of years ago. IIRC there are no knee dragging pics of Cliff in the Alps. Cliff is known for riding a lot and being fast at changing tires. His C14 has over 200,000 miles on it, so he's been through a couple of sets of tires. Cliff should be pretty knowledgeable about tires. HTH
Almost forgot. His favorite snack is rotten canned German fish on crackers. Man I wish I could have seen that.
On all accounts. It's a tire thread. Some road surfaces wear tires faster. Personal attacks is not becoming of a COG member.That would be the smart approach. Any further posts with personal attacks will result in those posts being deleted.
Chris
I just bought a trailer hitch from someone that posts here. We met for a burger.....and what a burger it was. Anyway he was riding a wing with a car tire on back. If anyone wants a complete car tire kit for a C10, he has one to sell.
As for mileage differences between riders in different parts of the country, Tim is right, we hear that all the time. Cliff isn't a bomb thrower from my time around here. From all I've seen, he's a nice guy. You made a pretty big assumption about someone and his riding habits and haven't met or rode with him. You know what is said about assuming stuff. Just try to ease up a bit. We're living in stressful times and everyone is more on edge. The last 5 or 6 years have been the most stressful times of my life, so I know stress and it's effects. Sometimes one needs to just accept differences in how something is experienced by different people. We can all get along if we want to.
I completely agree with Cliff. Cliff doesn't need anybody to back him up, he's a straight shooter. I've been through almost 40 sets of tires in 135k miles and the top 3 worst tires were the conti motions, the Avon Spirits, and the Metzler M9rr, in that order. At least the metzler's handled well but gave up at about1500 miles.Conti Motions netted me 10 days & 1,900 miles when I tried them. I know of one other person that tried them & he got 2,200 out of them, mostly highway miles for him.
Your roads must be paved with cotton balls!
Please confirm. Power 5 or Road 5?Michelin Power 5’s are yielding me best mileage I have experienced on a set of tires yet. May get 6.5K or even 7K out of the rear! Front is looking even longer, although may be replaced preemptively from hard strike with road hazard.
Usually I am in the 5.5K to 6K range, so about 10% - 15% better and it’s not from going easier on them .
My most disliked tire was the Metzler Road Tec 01, the Avon Spirit's & Conti Motions being a toss up for 2sec/3rd.I've been through almost 40 sets of tires in 135k miles and the top 3 worst tires were the conti motions, the Avon Spirits, and the Metzler M9rr, in that order. At least the metzler's handled well but gave up at about1500 miles.
This is probably pretty much the norm for most C14 owners I've talked with over the years.Usually I am in the 5.5K to 6K range, so about 10% - 15% better and it’s not from going easier on them .
I completely agree with Cliff. Cliff doesn't need anybody to back him up, he's a straight shooter. I've been through almost 40 sets of tires in 135k miles and the top 3 worst tires were the conti motions, the Avon Spirits, and the Metzler M9rr, in that order. At least the metzler's handled well but gave up at about1500 miles.
So to combat this curious phenomena of tire eating motorcycles, I bought a new one. It's a KTM 1290 gt. That ought to fix the problem!!lol.
It's just as hard to believe that anybody can get 10k out of any tire, (leave alone the continental), as it is for some to believe what's already been said. Different strokes...
Thanks Rexter, I'll do that.Check out roll’n darkside on Facebook. Lots of c10s and c14s runnin dark.
On all accounts. It's a tire thread. Some road surfaces wear tires faster. Personal attacks is not becoming of a COG member.
Jon
We have a big misunderstanding here. Just to be clear, I don't attend the church of Cliff. That said Cliff rides more than most people and so when he talks about tires, people listen because of his experience. No other reason. Cliff's response addressed your roads, not your truthfulness or anything else. His response was one sentence with a smiley at the end. I like to think I'm a fair minded person and I just didn't see any reason for you to be offended.
Continental ContiMotion tires are giving me 10K+ and here is the proof!
Conti Motions netted me 10 days & 1,900 miles when I tried them. I know of one other person that tried them & he got 2,200 out of them, mostly highway miles for him.
Your roads must be paved with cotton balls!
Please explain to me how my very simple straightforward reply to your post brought on your 1st reply.I am not sure what to make of that response. Maybe you may want to stop with the burn outs or taking them to the track because that is not what they are designed to do. You are definitely doing something abnormal to burn them up because that is not even close to reasonable mileage FOR ANY TIRE. And of course there could be the exaggeration factor - to what end I have no idea. I'm just reporting my results.
What Ted said. There is no absolutes here. Everyone can have a different experience. For instance I used to be a Michelin guy. My thought was there are a lot of fellow riders saying just how great the Michelin is. I needed tires and after reading about the RS3's I tried a set and they were cheaper. I am now a Dunlap RS guy. These tires work for me. They might not work for you just as the Michelin's didn't work for me.Ok, everyone chill..
This started as a simple reply that I feel was taken incorrectly.
{This sometimes happens on Forum's; because written notes can be easily miss-understood}
It expanded from there...
We're all riders, with common interests.
Lets go back to tires/oil/etc and riding!
Ride safe, Ted
PS: It's riding season : Jim/I are forming a group for a meet/eat/ride in Arkansas at the end of April.
,,,,,,,Come ride with us!